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| 90. people = humans. chimps = chimps. no, they are not people. |
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cats are not people.
dogs are not people.
ferrets are not people.
mice are not people.
as much as your "disney" upbringing wants it to be so... not people.
bambi isn't people either. i'm sure that will fuck up a few here as well.
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| -Chimps: Not Human, But Are They People? |
Ignis |
Oct-14-09 02:02 PM |
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no |
AngryAmish |
Oct-14-09 02:04 PM |
#1 |
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Care to summarize that lengthy counter-argument? (nt) |
Ignis |
Oct-14-09 02:06 PM |
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Chimps can smoke and ride bicycles |
AngryAmish |
Oct-14-09 02:16 PM |
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And what about the complex language functions? (nt) |
Ignis |
Oct-14-09 02:17 PM |
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It just seems like they are reading |
AngryAmish |
Oct-14-09 02:20 PM |
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I laughed out loud. Seriously, they are vicious apex predators. They want to kill us. |
timeforpeace |
Oct-14-09 02:21 PM |
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BOMB THE CHIMPS! |
datasuspect |
Oct-14-09 04:01 PM |
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And that makes them different from humans how? n/t |
backscatter712 |
Oct-14-09 07:04 PM |
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Well, for one thing, you can prosecute Humans on criminal charges... n/t |
DRoseDARs |
Oct-15-09 04:33 AM |
#87 |
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But not, apparently, eat pretzels or ride Segways |
KamaAina |
Oct-14-09 03:10 PM |
#33 |
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Hey, don't forget: "It's hard work." |
Ignis |
Oct-14-09 03:16 PM |
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I was wondering how long it was going to take someone to make that joke. |
Arkana |
Oct-14-09 07:05 PM |
#75 |
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In all your genius you seem to have confused personhood with being a human. |
armyowalgreens |
Oct-15-09 04:04 AM |
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that's right |
pollo poco |
Oct-14-09 02:47 PM |
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here |
AngryAmish |
Oct-14-09 02:49 PM |
#21 |
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No one with any true understanding of the concept of personhood would say no. |
armyowalgreens |
Oct-15-09 04:02 AM |
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Smarter than wingnuts. |
Richard D |
Oct-14-09 02:05 PM |
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No |
DJ13 |
Oct-14-09 02:06 PM |
#3 |
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I'll let George Bernard Shaw tackle that one: |
Ignis |
Oct-14-09 02:12 PM |
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Depends on how nice the cage is |
DJ13 |
Oct-14-09 02:22 PM |
#14 |
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It's a cookbook, it's a cookbook.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-14-09 02:56 PM |
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That TZ episode scared the crap out of me as a kid. |
Ignis |
Oct-14-09 03:15 PM |
#34 |
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I read the original story before the TZ episode.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-14-09 03:25 PM |
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I think they should have rights. |
boobooday |
Oct-14-09 02:06 PM |
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I am against painful testing. I think non invasive social behavior type |
EndersDame |
Oct-14-09 02:32 PM |
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I think Spain has already awarded chimps 'rights'.... |
JustFiveMoreMinutes |
Oct-14-09 02:07 PM |
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You are correct. Spain did so back in June '08. |
Ignis |
Oct-14-09 02:09 PM |
#8 |
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Good for Spain. |
Vidar |
Oct-14-09 06:10 PM |
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Monkeys have no rights when it comes to animal testing. This is Malish |
Quantess |
Oct-15-09 05:34 AM |
#97 |
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Yes, they are. nt |
Bonobo |
Oct-14-09 02:07 PM |
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Of course they are people. So are my cats. They are just not human. |
the other one |
Oct-14-09 02:23 PM |
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An enlightened discussion board? |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Oct-14-09 07:12 PM |
#77 |
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It may hurt our Ego's but humans are classified as apes ; I say all apes should have some kind |
EndersDame |
Oct-14-09 02:30 PM |
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Then maybe we'd stop torturing them for research. |
flvegan |
Oct-14-09 02:34 PM |
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they are a step above humans. more evolved. |
Mari333 |
Oct-14-09 02:38 PM |
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Yeah. |
proteus_lives |
Oct-14-09 03:41 PM |
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No, they are NOT! Chimps have the same ethical and moral failings as humans |
AlienGirl |
Oct-14-09 04:46 PM |
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LOL............nt |
CalvinandHobbes |
Oct-15-09 03:41 AM |
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I'm pretty sure the more we learn about any animal |
Sinti |
Oct-14-09 02:50 PM |
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How can they be people? They don't even look like corporations! |
jmondine |
Oct-14-09 02:50 PM |
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LOL! |
Melissa G |
Oct-14-09 02:55 PM |
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Maybe chimps just need a good contract lawyer. |
Ignis |
Oct-14-09 04:51 PM |
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According to my childhood they need personhood. To stand trial for their global terrorism. |
YOY |
Oct-14-09 02:52 PM |
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Only if Burt Reynolds and Chuck Norris stand trial! |
Ignis |
Oct-14-09 03:25 PM |
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I'll forgive Burt. He probably got that Chimp laid using his smooth 70s moves. |
YOY |
Oct-14-09 03:30 PM |
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Oops, I do mean Eastwood, not Norris. |
Ignis |
Oct-14-09 03:32 PM |
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I refuse to tell Chuck Norris jokes unless they involve him getting served. |
YOY |
Oct-14-09 04:02 PM |
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how could a chimp be held responsible for, say, attacking another chimp? |
RaleighNCDUer |
Oct-14-09 02:53 PM |
#25 |
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accept for the biggest male that can bully |
Thothmes |
Oct-14-09 06:58 PM |
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Okay. Then my cats are people too. |
superconnected |
Oct-14-09 03:00 PM |
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Dogs too. |
baldguy |
Oct-14-09 06:59 PM |
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We have a saying in my house... |
ljm2002 |
Oct-14-09 03:00 PM |
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Mean, bitchy people who poop in your bed |
Chulanowa |
Oct-14-09 03:07 PM |
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Strangely even the concept of protecting apes is stunningly anthropocentric |
Chulanowa |
Oct-14-09 03:05 PM |
#30 |
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and what about parrots, or crows? |
eShirl |
Oct-14-09 03:50 PM |
#49 |
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There's a fascinating TED Talk on that subject: |
Ignis |
Oct-14-09 03:59 PM |
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Animal peoples |
AlienGirl |
Oct-14-09 04:59 PM |
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Ah yes, thanks for mentioning Pachyderms. |
Ignis |
Oct-14-09 05:11 PM |
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Ape must not kill ape! |
eShirl |
Oct-14-09 03:08 PM |
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I don't think they're people, but do deserve a special category. |
nolabear |
Oct-14-09 03:17 PM |
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Why limit to just chimps or great apes? |
Gator_Matt |
Oct-14-09 03:25 PM |
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Yes - and they already have more compassion than Republicans |
Taverner |
Oct-14-09 03:32 PM |
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No, You're Stupid. No, you. Shutup. |
Gman2 |
Oct-14-09 03:33 PM |
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Important Scientific Discoveries: Not LBN, but are they GD-worthy? |
Ignis |
Oct-14-09 03:39 PM |
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Of course they are GD-worthy. |
Swamp Rat |
Oct-14-09 03:42 PM |
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"Hey," said The Moon, "you stop pokin' my crack!" |
Ignis |
Oct-14-09 03:48 PM |
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If corporations have personhood then chimps should too. n/t |
Gormy Cuss |
Oct-14-09 03:43 PM |
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If they're not people, can we still recognize that they have rights? |
Jim__ |
Oct-14-09 03:57 PM |
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Well, there's the tricky part. |
Ignis |
Oct-14-09 04:30 PM |
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Perhaps we need to recognize the rights of animals, period, not |
Cleita |
Oct-14-09 03:59 PM |
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No. A human is a human, a chimp is a chimp, a fetus is a fetus...... |
rd_kent |
Oct-14-09 04:00 PM |
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Is this an effort to get George Bush recognized as a human? |
rd_kent |
Oct-14-09 04:00 PM |
#54 |
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No, we're talking about _complex_ language use here. |
Ignis |
Oct-14-09 05:26 PM |
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When does a fetus become a person? |
CalvinandHobbes |
Oct-15-09 03:47 AM |
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Personhood is independent of species. It is a state of intelligence... |
armyowalgreens |
Oct-15-09 04:10 AM |
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Riiiggght, |
CalvinandHobbes |
Oct-15-09 04:32 AM |
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Nice strawman. |
armyowalgreens |
Oct-15-09 04:33 AM |
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No. |
CalvinandHobbes |
Oct-15-09 04:40 AM |
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Medical personel trained to come to such conclusions. |
armyowalgreens |
Oct-15-09 04:51 AM |
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You're a mensch, AoW. |
Ignis |
Oct-15-09 01:27 PM |
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Hard to say... |
backscatter712 |
Oct-14-09 04:01 PM |
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this was foretold in the Planet of the Apes |
datasuspect |
Oct-14-09 04:02 PM |
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We could arm wrestle them for it. |
Gman2 |
Oct-14-09 04:11 PM |
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Oh yeah, definitely! |
Harry Monroe |
Oct-14-09 04:13 PM |
#60 |
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I used to think that human beings were the most advanced form of life on Earth... |
jmondine |
Oct-14-09 04:46 PM |
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Chimpanzees are people who don't pretend to be something they are not. |
hunter |
Oct-14-09 05:18 PM |
#67 |
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Pan Consumerus |
Ignis |
Oct-14-09 07:25 PM |
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Consider: I can communicate with a sign-language speaking chimp better than I can with my brother |
Dangerously Amused |
Oct-14-09 06:13 PM |
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"There are chimps who can ... testify in court." |
Ignis |
Oct-14-09 06:57 PM |
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i think there is a small set of animals that deserve 'personhood' -- |
xchrom |
Oct-14-09 07:09 PM |
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I live with an unrecognized person |
Oak2004 |
Oct-14-09 09:40 PM |
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My cockatoo says "I" |
AlienGirl |
Oct-15-09 03:20 AM |
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Typical parrot humor :) |
Oak2004 |
Oct-15-09 11:58 AM |
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After he does something he shouldn't, he'll say "I'll be good!" |
AlienGirl |
Oct-15-09 04:34 PM |
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I'm not much of a bird person, but ... |
Ignis |
Oct-15-09 02:54 PM |
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people = humans. chimps = chimps. no, they are not people. |
1 |
Oct-15-09 04:49 AM |
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There is a certain portion of the scientific community devoted to the discussion of personhood... |
armyowalgreens |
Oct-15-09 04:55 AM |
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hummm... and there is a certain portion of those of us who actually live on earth... |
1 |
Oct-15-09 05:06 AM |
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Yes, mockery is surely the correct response. |
armyowalgreens |
Oct-15-09 05:10 AM |
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yes... unlike you... oh! wait! |
1 |
Oct-15-09 05:21 AM |
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Where does a "Disney upbringing" enter into it? |
Ignis |
Oct-15-09 11:52 AM |
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'Cause, ya know, all people who care about AR/AW grew up in the city |
AlienGirl |
Oct-15-09 04:21 PM |
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Animal rights activists all had Disney childhoods! Just ask Marc Berkowitz. |
AlienGirl |
Oct-15-09 04:31 PM |
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Don't dare mention Howard Lyman, either. |
Ignis |
Oct-15-09 08:23 PM |
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Unsupported assertions backed up with mockery. |
bigmonkey |
Oct-19-09 02:08 PM |
#113 |
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Does anyone remember the experimental rhesus monkey in Israel, |
Quantess |
Oct-15-09 05:25 AM |
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This research widens the gulf between monkeys and apes. |
Ignis |
Oct-15-09 02:50 PM |
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no - because they are chimps. |
ddeclue |
Oct-15-09 02:52 PM |
#102 |
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Pooflinger! |
Ignis |
Oct-15-09 03:00 PM |
#104 |
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Sounds like a Bond film - "Pooo -flinger..." |
ddeclue |
Oct-15-09 03:21 PM |
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Finally, a role Roger Moore can sink his teeth into! |
Ignis |
Oct-15-09 03:35 PM |
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Our last president was a chimp |
conscious evolution |
Oct-15-09 08:34 PM |
#111 |
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they are monkeys |
deaniac21 |
Oct-15-09 08:57 PM |
#112 |
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