Ignis
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Wed Oct-14-09 05:11 PM
Response to Reply #65 |
| 66. Ah yes, thanks for mentioning Pachyderms. |
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I'd almost forgotten how much we've learned about their complex emotional relationships and societal structures over the past few decades.  |
| -Chimps: Not Human, But Are They People? |
Ignis |
Oct-14-09 02:02 PM |
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no |
AngryAmish |
Oct-14-09 02:04 PM |
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Care to summarize that lengthy counter-argument? (nt) |
Ignis |
Oct-14-09 02:06 PM |
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Chimps can smoke and ride bicycles |
AngryAmish |
Oct-14-09 02:16 PM |
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And what about the complex language functions? (nt) |
Ignis |
Oct-14-09 02:17 PM |
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It just seems like they are reading |
AngryAmish |
Oct-14-09 02:20 PM |
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I laughed out loud. Seriously, they are vicious apex predators. They want to kill us. |
timeforpeace |
Oct-14-09 02:21 PM |
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BOMB THE CHIMPS! |
datasuspect |
Oct-14-09 04:01 PM |
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And that makes them different from humans how? n/t |
backscatter712 |
Oct-14-09 07:04 PM |
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Well, for one thing, you can prosecute Humans on criminal charges... n/t |
DRoseDARs |
Oct-15-09 04:33 AM |
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But not, apparently, eat pretzels or ride Segways |
KamaAina |
Oct-14-09 03:10 PM |
#33 |
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Hey, don't forget: "It's hard work." |
Ignis |
Oct-14-09 03:16 PM |
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I was wondering how long it was going to take someone to make that joke. |
Arkana |
Oct-14-09 07:05 PM |
#75 |
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In all your genius you seem to have confused personhood with being a human. |
armyowalgreens |
Oct-15-09 04:04 AM |
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that's right |
pollo poco |
Oct-14-09 02:47 PM |
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here |
AngryAmish |
Oct-14-09 02:49 PM |
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No one with any true understanding of the concept of personhood would say no. |
armyowalgreens |
Oct-15-09 04:02 AM |
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Smarter than wingnuts. |
Richard D |
Oct-14-09 02:05 PM |
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No |
DJ13 |
Oct-14-09 02:06 PM |
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I'll let George Bernard Shaw tackle that one: |
Ignis |
Oct-14-09 02:12 PM |
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Depends on how nice the cage is |
DJ13 |
Oct-14-09 02:22 PM |
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It's a cookbook, it's a cookbook.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-14-09 02:56 PM |
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That TZ episode scared the crap out of me as a kid. |
Ignis |
Oct-14-09 03:15 PM |
#34 |
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I read the original story before the TZ episode.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-14-09 03:25 PM |
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I think they should have rights. |
boobooday |
Oct-14-09 02:06 PM |
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I am against painful testing. I think non invasive social behavior type |
EndersDame |
Oct-14-09 02:32 PM |
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I think Spain has already awarded chimps 'rights'.... |
JustFiveMoreMinutes |
Oct-14-09 02:07 PM |
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You are correct. Spain did so back in June '08. |
Ignis |
Oct-14-09 02:09 PM |
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Good for Spain. |
Vidar |
Oct-14-09 06:10 PM |
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Monkeys have no rights when it comes to animal testing. This is Malish |
Quantess |
Oct-15-09 05:34 AM |
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Yes, they are. nt |
Bonobo |
Oct-14-09 02:07 PM |
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Of course they are people. So are my cats. They are just not human. |
the other one |
Oct-14-09 02:23 PM |
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An enlightened discussion board? |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Oct-14-09 07:12 PM |
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It may hurt our Ego's but humans are classified as apes ; I say all apes should have some kind |
EndersDame |
Oct-14-09 02:30 PM |
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Then maybe we'd stop torturing them for research. |
flvegan |
Oct-14-09 02:34 PM |
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they are a step above humans. more evolved. |
Mari333 |
Oct-14-09 02:38 PM |
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Yeah. |
proteus_lives |
Oct-14-09 03:41 PM |
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No, they are NOT! Chimps have the same ethical and moral failings as humans |
AlienGirl |
Oct-14-09 04:46 PM |
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LOL............nt |
CalvinandHobbes |
Oct-15-09 03:41 AM |
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I'm pretty sure the more we learn about any animal |
Sinti |
Oct-14-09 02:50 PM |
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How can they be people? They don't even look like corporations! |
jmondine |
Oct-14-09 02:50 PM |
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LOL! |
Melissa G |
Oct-14-09 02:55 PM |
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Maybe chimps just need a good contract lawyer. |
Ignis |
Oct-14-09 04:51 PM |
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According to my childhood they need personhood. To stand trial for their global terrorism. |
YOY |
Oct-14-09 02:52 PM |
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Only if Burt Reynolds and Chuck Norris stand trial! |
Ignis |
Oct-14-09 03:25 PM |
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I'll forgive Burt. He probably got that Chimp laid using his smooth 70s moves. |
YOY |
Oct-14-09 03:30 PM |
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Oops, I do mean Eastwood, not Norris. |
Ignis |
Oct-14-09 03:32 PM |
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I refuse to tell Chuck Norris jokes unless they involve him getting served. |
YOY |
Oct-14-09 04:02 PM |
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how could a chimp be held responsible for, say, attacking another chimp? |
RaleighNCDUer |
Oct-14-09 02:53 PM |
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accept for the biggest male that can bully |
Thothmes |
Oct-14-09 06:58 PM |
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Okay. Then my cats are people too. |
superconnected |
Oct-14-09 03:00 PM |
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Dogs too. |
baldguy |
Oct-14-09 06:59 PM |
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We have a saying in my house... |
ljm2002 |
Oct-14-09 03:00 PM |
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Mean, bitchy people who poop in your bed |
Chulanowa |
Oct-14-09 03:07 PM |
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Strangely even the concept of protecting apes is stunningly anthropocentric |
Chulanowa |
Oct-14-09 03:05 PM |
#30 |
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and what about parrots, or crows? |
eShirl |
Oct-14-09 03:50 PM |
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There's a fascinating TED Talk on that subject: |
Ignis |
Oct-14-09 03:59 PM |
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Animal peoples |
AlienGirl |
Oct-14-09 04:59 PM |
#65 |
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Ah yes, thanks for mentioning Pachyderms. |
Ignis |
Oct-14-09 05:11 PM |
#66 |
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Ape must not kill ape! |
eShirl |
Oct-14-09 03:08 PM |
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I don't think they're people, but do deserve a special category. |
nolabear |
Oct-14-09 03:17 PM |
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Why limit to just chimps or great apes? |
Gator_Matt |
Oct-14-09 03:25 PM |
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Yes - and they already have more compassion than Republicans |
Taverner |
Oct-14-09 03:32 PM |
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No, You're Stupid. No, you. Shutup. |
Gman2 |
Oct-14-09 03:33 PM |
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Important Scientific Discoveries: Not LBN, but are they GD-worthy? |
Ignis |
Oct-14-09 03:39 PM |
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Of course they are GD-worthy. |
Swamp Rat |
Oct-14-09 03:42 PM |
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"Hey," said The Moon, "you stop pokin' my crack!" |
Ignis |
Oct-14-09 03:48 PM |
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If corporations have personhood then chimps should too. n/t |
Gormy Cuss |
Oct-14-09 03:43 PM |
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If they're not people, can we still recognize that they have rights? |
Jim__ |
Oct-14-09 03:57 PM |
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Well, there's the tricky part. |
Ignis |
Oct-14-09 04:30 PM |
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Perhaps we need to recognize the rights of animals, period, not |
Cleita |
Oct-14-09 03:59 PM |
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No. A human is a human, a chimp is a chimp, a fetus is a fetus...... |
rd_kent |
Oct-14-09 04:00 PM |
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Is this an effort to get George Bush recognized as a human? |
rd_kent |
Oct-14-09 04:00 PM |
#54 |
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No, we're talking about _complex_ language use here. |
Ignis |
Oct-14-09 05:26 PM |
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When does a fetus become a person? |
CalvinandHobbes |
Oct-15-09 03:47 AM |
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Personhood is independent of species. It is a state of intelligence... |
armyowalgreens |
Oct-15-09 04:10 AM |
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Riiiggght, |
CalvinandHobbes |
Oct-15-09 04:32 AM |
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Nice strawman. |
armyowalgreens |
Oct-15-09 04:33 AM |
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No. |
CalvinandHobbes |
Oct-15-09 04:40 AM |
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Medical personel trained to come to such conclusions. |
armyowalgreens |
Oct-15-09 04:51 AM |
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You're a mensch, AoW. |
Ignis |
Oct-15-09 01:27 PM |
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Hard to say... |
backscatter712 |
Oct-14-09 04:01 PM |
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this was foretold in the Planet of the Apes |
datasuspect |
Oct-14-09 04:02 PM |
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We could arm wrestle them for it. |
Gman2 |
Oct-14-09 04:11 PM |
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Oh yeah, definitely! |
Harry Monroe |
Oct-14-09 04:13 PM |
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I used to think that human beings were the most advanced form of life on Earth... |
jmondine |
Oct-14-09 04:46 PM |
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Chimpanzees are people who don't pretend to be something they are not. |
hunter |
Oct-14-09 05:18 PM |
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Pan Consumerus |
Ignis |
Oct-14-09 07:25 PM |
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Consider: I can communicate with a sign-language speaking chimp better than I can with my brother |
Dangerously Amused |
Oct-14-09 06:13 PM |
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"There are chimps who can ... testify in court." |
Ignis |
Oct-14-09 06:57 PM |
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i think there is a small set of animals that deserve 'personhood' -- |
xchrom |
Oct-14-09 07:09 PM |
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I live with an unrecognized person |
Oak2004 |
Oct-14-09 09:40 PM |
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My cockatoo says "I" |
AlienGirl |
Oct-15-09 03:20 AM |
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Typical parrot humor :) |
Oak2004 |
Oct-15-09 11:58 AM |
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After he does something he shouldn't, he'll say "I'll be good!" |
AlienGirl |
Oct-15-09 04:34 PM |
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I'm not much of a bird person, but ... |
Ignis |
Oct-15-09 02:54 PM |
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people = humans. chimps = chimps. no, they are not people. |
1 |
Oct-15-09 04:49 AM |
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There is a certain portion of the scientific community devoted to the discussion of personhood... |
armyowalgreens |
Oct-15-09 04:55 AM |
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hummm... and there is a certain portion of those of us who actually live on earth... |
1 |
Oct-15-09 05:06 AM |
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Yes, mockery is surely the correct response. |
armyowalgreens |
Oct-15-09 05:10 AM |
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yes... unlike you... oh! wait! |
1 |
Oct-15-09 05:21 AM |
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Where does a "Disney upbringing" enter into it? |
Ignis |
Oct-15-09 11:52 AM |
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'Cause, ya know, all people who care about AR/AW grew up in the city |
AlienGirl |
Oct-15-09 04:21 PM |
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Animal rights activists all had Disney childhoods! Just ask Marc Berkowitz. |
AlienGirl |
Oct-15-09 04:31 PM |
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Don't dare mention Howard Lyman, either. |
Ignis |
Oct-15-09 08:23 PM |
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Unsupported assertions backed up with mockery. |
bigmonkey |
Oct-19-09 02:08 PM |
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Does anyone remember the experimental rhesus monkey in Israel, |
Quantess |
Oct-15-09 05:25 AM |
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This research widens the gulf between monkeys and apes. |
Ignis |
Oct-15-09 02:50 PM |
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no - because they are chimps. |
ddeclue |
Oct-15-09 02:52 PM |
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Pooflinger! |
Ignis |
Oct-15-09 03:00 PM |
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Sounds like a Bond film - "Pooo -flinger..." |
ddeclue |
Oct-15-09 03:21 PM |
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Finally, a role Roger Moore can sink his teeth into! |
Ignis |
Oct-15-09 03:35 PM |
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Our last president was a chimp |
conscious evolution |
Oct-15-09 08:34 PM |
#111 |
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they are monkeys |
deaniac21 |
Oct-15-09 08:57 PM |
#112 |
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