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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 02:22 PM
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14. Depends on how nice the cage is
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  -Chimps: Not Human, But Are They People? Ignis  Oct-14-09 02:02 PM   #0 
  - no  AngryAmish   Oct-14-09 02:04 PM   #1 
  - Care to summarize that lengthy counter-argument? (nt)  Ignis   Oct-14-09 02:06 PM   #4 
  - Chimps can smoke and ride bicycles  AngryAmish   Oct-14-09 02:16 PM   #10 
     - And what about the complex language functions? (nt)  Ignis   Oct-14-09 02:17 PM   #11 
     - It just seems like they are reading  AngryAmish   Oct-14-09 02:20 PM   #12 
     - I laughed out loud. Seriously, they are vicious apex predators. They want to kill us.  timeforpeace   Oct-14-09 02:21 PM   #13 
     - BOMB THE CHIMPS!  datasuspect   Oct-14-09 04:01 PM   #55 
     - And that makes them different from humans how? n/t  backscatter712   Oct-14-09 07:04 PM   #74 
        - Well, for one thing, you can prosecute Humans on criminal charges... n/t  DRoseDARs   Oct-15-09 04:33 AM   #87 
     - But not, apparently, eat pretzels or ride Segways  KamaAina   Oct-14-09 03:10 PM   #33 
     - Hey, don't forget: "It's hard work."  Ignis   Oct-14-09 03:16 PM   #35 
     - I was wondering how long it was going to take someone to make that joke.  Arkana   Oct-14-09 07:05 PM   #75 
     - In all your genius you seem to have confused personhood with being a human.  armyowalgreens   Oct-15-09 04:04 AM   #84 
  - that's right  pollo poco   Oct-14-09 02:47 PM   #20 
  - here  AngryAmish   Oct-14-09 02:49 PM   #21 
  - No one with any true understanding of the concept of personhood would say no.  armyowalgreens   Oct-15-09 04:02 AM   #83 
  - Smarter than wingnuts.  Richard D   Oct-14-09 02:05 PM   #2 
  - No  DJ13   Oct-14-09 02:06 PM   #3 
  - I'll let George Bernard Shaw tackle that one:  Ignis   Oct-14-09 02:12 PM   #9 
     - Depends on how nice the cage is  DJ13   Oct-14-09 02:22 PM   #14 
     - It's a cookbook, it's a cookbook..  Fumesucker   Oct-14-09 02:56 PM   #27 
        - That TZ episode scared the crap out of me as a kid.  Ignis   Oct-14-09 03:15 PM   #34 
           - I read the original story before the TZ episode..  Fumesucker   Oct-14-09 03:25 PM   #38 
  - I think they should have rights.  boobooday   Oct-14-09 02:06 PM   #5 
  - I am against painful testing. I think non invasive social behavior type  EndersDame   Oct-14-09 02:32 PM   #17 
  - I think Spain has already awarded chimps 'rights'....  JustFiveMoreMinutes   Oct-14-09 02:07 PM   #6 
  - You are correct. Spain did so back in June '08.  Ignis   Oct-14-09 02:09 PM   #8 
  - Good for Spain.  Vidar   Oct-14-09 06:10 PM   #69 
  - Monkeys have no rights when it comes to animal testing. This is Malish  Quantess   Oct-15-09 05:34 AM   #97 
  - Yes, they are. nt  Bonobo   Oct-14-09 02:07 PM   #7 
  - Of course they are people. So are my cats. They are just not human.  the other one   Oct-14-09 02:23 PM   #15 
  - An enlightened discussion board?  OmmmSweetOmmm   Oct-14-09 07:12 PM   #77 
  - It may hurt our Ego's but humans are classified as apes ; I say all apes should have some kind  EndersDame   Oct-14-09 02:30 PM   #16 
  - Then maybe we'd stop torturing them for research.  flvegan   Oct-14-09 02:34 PM   #18 
  - they are a step above humans. more evolved.  Mari333   Oct-14-09 02:38 PM   #19 
  - Yeah.  proteus_lives   Oct-14-09 03:41 PM   #45 
  - No, they are NOT! Chimps have the same ethical and moral failings as humans  AlienGirl   Oct-14-09 04:46 PM   #62 
  - LOL............nt  CalvinandHobbes   Oct-15-09 03:41 AM   #81 
  - I'm pretty sure the more we learn about any animal  Sinti   Oct-14-09 02:50 PM   #22 
  - How can they be people? They don't even look like corporations!  jmondine   Oct-14-09 02:50 PM   #23 
  - LOL!  Melissa G   Oct-14-09 02:55 PM   #26 
  - Maybe chimps just need a good contract lawyer.  Ignis   Oct-14-09 04:51 PM   #64 
  - According to my childhood they need personhood. To stand trial for their global terrorism.  YOY   Oct-14-09 02:52 PM   #24 
  - Only if Burt Reynolds and Chuck Norris stand trial!  Ignis   Oct-14-09 03:25 PM   #39 
     - I'll forgive Burt. He probably got that Chimp laid using his smooth 70s moves.  YOY   Oct-14-09 03:30 PM   #40 
        - Oops, I do mean Eastwood, not Norris.  Ignis   Oct-14-09 03:32 PM   #42 
           - I refuse to tell Chuck Norris jokes unless they involve him getting served.  YOY   Oct-14-09 04:02 PM   #58 
  - how could a chimp be held responsible for, say, attacking another chimp?  RaleighNCDUer   Oct-14-09 02:53 PM   #25 
  - accept for the biggest male that can bully  Thothmes   Oct-14-09 06:58 PM   #72 
  - Okay. Then my cats are people too.  superconnected   Oct-14-09 03:00 PM   #28 
  - Dogs too.  baldguy   Oct-14-09 06:59 PM   #73 
  - We have a saying in my house...  ljm2002   Oct-14-09 03:00 PM   #29 
  - Mean, bitchy people who poop in your bed  Chulanowa   Oct-14-09 03:07 PM   #31 
  - Strangely even the concept of protecting apes is stunningly anthropocentric  Chulanowa   Oct-14-09 03:05 PM   #30 
  - and what about parrots, or crows?  eShirl   Oct-14-09 03:50 PM   #49 
     - There's a fascinating TED Talk on that subject:  Ignis   Oct-14-09 03:59 PM   #51 
     - Animal peoples  AlienGirl   Oct-14-09 04:59 PM   #65 
        - Ah yes, thanks for mentioning Pachyderms.  Ignis   Oct-14-09 05:11 PM   #66 
  - Ape must not kill ape!  eShirl   Oct-14-09 03:08 PM   #32 
  - I don't think they're people, but do deserve a special category.  nolabear   Oct-14-09 03:17 PM   #36 
  - Why limit to just chimps or great apes?  Gator_Matt   Oct-14-09 03:25 PM   #37 
  - Yes - and they already have more compassion than Republicans  Taverner   Oct-14-09 03:32 PM   #41 
  - No, You're Stupid. No, you. Shutup.  Gman2   Oct-14-09 03:33 PM   #43 
  - Important Scientific Discoveries: Not LBN, but are they GD-worthy?  Ignis   Oct-14-09 03:39 PM   #44 
  - Of course they are GD-worthy.  Swamp Rat   Oct-14-09 03:42 PM   #46 
     - "Hey," said The Moon, "you stop pokin' my crack!"  Ignis   Oct-14-09 03:48 PM   #48 
  - If corporations have personhood then chimps should too. n/t  Gormy Cuss   Oct-14-09 03:43 PM   #47 
  - If they're not people, can we still recognize that they have rights?  Jim__   Oct-14-09 03:57 PM   #50 
  - Well, there's the tricky part.  Ignis   Oct-14-09 04:30 PM   #61 
  - Perhaps we need to recognize the rights of animals, period, not  Cleita   Oct-14-09 03:59 PM   #52 
  - No. A human is a human, a chimp is a chimp, a fetus is a fetus......  rd_kent   Oct-14-09 04:00 PM   #53 
  - Is this an effort to get George Bush recognized as a human?  rd_kent   Oct-14-09 04:00 PM   #54 
  - No, we're talking about _complex_ language use here.  Ignis   Oct-14-09 05:26 PM   #68 
  - When does a fetus become a person?  CalvinandHobbes   Oct-15-09 03:47 AM   #82 
  - Personhood is independent of species. It is a state of intelligence...  armyowalgreens   Oct-15-09 04:10 AM   #85 
     - Riiiggght,  CalvinandHobbes   Oct-15-09 04:32 AM   #86 
        - Nice strawman.  armyowalgreens   Oct-15-09 04:33 AM   #88 
           - No.  CalvinandHobbes   Oct-15-09 04:40 AM   #89 
              - Medical personel trained to come to such conclusions.  armyowalgreens   Oct-15-09 04:51 AM   #91 
                 - You're a mensch, AoW.  Ignis   Oct-15-09 01:27 PM   #100 
  - Hard to say...  backscatter712   Oct-14-09 04:01 PM   #56 
  - this was foretold in the Planet of the Apes  datasuspect   Oct-14-09 04:02 PM   #57 
  - We could arm wrestle them for it.  Gman2   Oct-14-09 04:11 PM   #59 
  - Oh yeah, definitely!  Harry Monroe   Oct-14-09 04:13 PM   #60 
  - I used to think that human beings were the most advanced form of life on Earth...  jmondine   Oct-14-09 04:46 PM   #63 
  - Chimpanzees are people who don't pretend to be something they are not.  hunter   Oct-14-09 05:18 PM   #67 
  - Pan Consumerus  Ignis   Oct-14-09 07:25 PM   #78 
  - Consider: I can communicate with a sign-language speaking chimp better than I can with my brother  Dangerously Amused   Oct-14-09 06:13 PM   #70 
  - "There are chimps who can ... testify in court."  Ignis   Oct-14-09 06:57 PM   #71 
  - i think there is a small set of animals that deserve 'personhood' --  xchrom   Oct-14-09 07:09 PM   #76 
  - I live with an unrecognized person  Oak2004   Oct-14-09 09:40 PM   #79 
  - My cockatoo says "I"  AlienGirl   Oct-15-09 03:20 AM   #80 
  - Typical parrot humor :)  Oak2004   Oct-15-09 11:58 AM   #99 
     - After he does something he shouldn't, he'll say "I'll be good!"  AlienGirl   Oct-15-09 04:34 PM   #109 
  - I'm not much of a bird person, but ...  Ignis   Oct-15-09 02:54 PM   #103 
  - people = humans. chimps = chimps. no, they are not people.  1   Oct-15-09 04:49 AM   #90 
  - There is a certain portion of the scientific community devoted to the discussion of personhood...  armyowalgreens   Oct-15-09 04:55 AM   #92 
  - hummm... and there is a certain portion of those of us who actually live on earth...  1   Oct-15-09 05:06 AM   #93 
     - Yes, mockery is surely the correct response.  armyowalgreens   Oct-15-09 05:10 AM   #94 
        - yes... unlike you... oh! wait!  1   Oct-15-09 05:21 AM   #95 
  - Where does a "Disney upbringing" enter into it?  Ignis   Oct-15-09 11:52 AM   #98 
  - 'Cause, ya know, all people who care about AR/AW grew up in the city  AlienGirl   Oct-15-09 04:21 PM   #107 
     - Animal rights activists all had Disney childhoods! Just ask Marc Berkowitz.  AlienGirl   Oct-15-09 04:31 PM   #108 
        - Don't dare mention Howard Lyman, either.  Ignis   Oct-15-09 08:23 PM   #110 
  - Unsupported assertions backed up with mockery.  bigmonkey   Oct-19-09 02:08 PM   #113 
  - Does anyone remember the experimental rhesus monkey in Israel,  Quantess   Oct-15-09 05:25 AM   #96 
  - This research widens the gulf between monkeys and apes.  Ignis   Oct-15-09 02:50 PM   #101 
  - no - because they are chimps.  ddeclue   Oct-15-09 02:52 PM   #102 
  - Pooflinger!  Ignis   Oct-15-09 03:00 PM   #104 
     - Sounds like a Bond film - "Pooo -flinger..."  ddeclue   Oct-15-09 03:21 PM   #105 
        - Finally, a role Roger Moore can sink his teeth into!  Ignis   Oct-15-09 03:35 PM   #106 
  - Our last president was a chimp  conscious evolution   Oct-15-09 08:34 PM   #111 
  - they are monkeys  deaniac21   Oct-15-09 08:57 PM   #112 
 

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