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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Oct-14-09 04:03 AM
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20. depends on the context
what issues are you discussing that caused her to say that? What is she trying to prove? That she doesn't need unions or minimum wage laws?

But without unions or regulations, then what is to prevent employers from paying as little as possible and working you as hard as possible? Why not pay $1 a day for a twelve hour day, six days a week? That's the way factory work was until workers organized and fought for shorter weeks and higher pay and safety regulations.

When it comes to jobs, for most people, the choices are work, steal, or starve, and the job seeker has to take what they can get. Usually the lesser of evils rather than something they really want to do. I have two university degrees myself, and have worked the last seven years as a part-time janitor. Not because I am thrilled by the high status work of cleaning toilets, carrying tables, stacking chairs and mopping floors, but because I have been unable to find a better job. "Choices are what people must live with" but often people only have the choice between a rock and a hard place.

But if those people stand together, they can create better choices for themselves, with unions and with democracy via legislation that gives us rights like time and a half for every hour over 40 in a week.
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  How do I respond to this... madinmaryland  Oct-14-09 12:18 AM   #0 
   a thought  ananda   Oct-14-09 12:21 AM   #1 
   In what context was this statement made?  existentialist   Oct-14-09 12:22 AM   #2 
   It is made by a conservation who prefaces it by saying:  madinmaryland   Oct-14-09 12:27 AM   #4 
   Can you clarify?  ddeclue   Oct-14-09 12:24 AM   #3 
   See my response above, and I am editing to add to the op.  madinmaryland   Oct-14-09 12:28 AM   #5 
   The person is living in a dream world. People are paid whatever the employers want to pay.  Selatius   Oct-14-09 12:30 AM   #6 
   What I wanted to ask "her"  madinmaryland   Oct-14-09 12:34 AM   #8 
   You should point out the advantages she has been given due to her family name.  Selatius   Oct-14-09 12:49 AM   #16 
   It sounds like the transcript of what authoritarian followers tell themselves  EFerrari   Oct-14-09 12:36 AM   #11 
   By merit? He'll get paid whatever his boss wants to pay him.  Lars39   Oct-14-09 12:31 AM   #7 
   It's a she. And she has never really had to work a day of work in her  madinmaryland   Oct-14-09 12:36 AM   #9 
   Is this referring to teacher's merit pay?  KerrytravelersDU Moderator   Oct-14-09 12:36 AM   #10 
   Merit is not "what the market will bear"  izquierdista   Oct-14-09 12:37 AM   #12 
   Um, joining a union is a CHOICE  SmileyRose   Oct-14-09 12:37 AM   #13 
   I good luck then  inthebrain   Oct-14-09 12:39 AM   #14 
   Some people choose to have advocates  sandnsea   Oct-14-09 12:42 AM   #15 
   Post it on DU.  BuyingThyme   Oct-14-09 12:53 AM   #17 
   I would try to start with understanding  Sinti   Oct-14-09 03:00 AM   #18 
   Well, my initial contention was a false email she sent out about Obama  madinmaryland   Oct-14-09 08:16 AM   #22 
   Tell her she sounds doubtful in herself or her ideals.  Rex   Oct-14-09 03:13 AM   #19 
   depends on the context  hfojvt   Oct-14-09 04:03 AM   #20 
   Union salaries succeded in raising the pay/benefits for all job around them  left is right   Oct-14-09 05:26 AM   #21 
 

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