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Our nation is falling apart.
I say we fix our own back yard before we go telling
others what to do.
But then this is not about nation building, is it?
It's about pipelines and corporate hegemony.
BHN
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| -Do You Support Nation Building in Afghanistan? |
tekisui |
Oct-13-09 08:49 PM |
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No, of course not. But I sure wish we could help those people who want it. nt |
gateley |
Oct-13-09 08:51 PM |
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Do we support President Obama and his plans for Afghanistan is a better question. |
timeforpeace |
Oct-14-09 12:36 AM |
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bbc has been told there will be an increase of US troops there. but... |
demoleft |
Oct-14-09 07:10 PM |
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Is it even possible? |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-13-09 08:54 PM |
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Its is a goal beyond our ability to achieve.. |
whoneedstickets |
Oct-13-09 10:08 PM |
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My initial thought is yes. |
Cant trust em |
Oct-13-09 08:55 PM |
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Part of the problem is the provinces don't recognize the central |
tekisui |
Oct-13-09 08:59 PM |
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I think it has to come from the UN not NATO |
Johonny |
Oct-13-09 09:32 PM |
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The problem I see is that Afghanistan isn't really part of the "Middle East". |
LooseWilly |
Oct-15-09 02:27 AM |
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They seem to LIKE living in the 12th century over there. |
Sebastian Doyle |
Oct-13-09 08:58 PM |
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Oct-13-09 09:05 PM |
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Can you show me the poll that shows Afghanis want us there? |
tekisui |
Oct-13-09 09:15 PM |
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as soon as his father, Bruce Reed of the DLC makes up a poll, he'll show it to you |
Sebastian Doyle |
Oct-13-09 09:23 PM |
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oh that's so cute |
northzax |
Oct-13-09 09:35 PM |
#26 |
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a poll? |
northzax |
Oct-13-09 09:31 PM |
#22 |
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only one I could find was feb. |
subcomhd |
Oct-13-09 11:35 PM |
#46 |
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Who are you calling a "fucking racist asshole"? |
Sebastian Doyle |
Oct-13-09 09:21 PM |
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Oct-13-09 09:30 PM |
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"31st century"? Are you from the future or something? |
Harry Monroe |
Oct-13-09 09:22 PM |
#15 |
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you know, given that you have an avatar |
northzax |
Oct-13-09 10:08 PM |
#32 |
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You see no difference in rebuilding an American city |
tekisui |
Oct-13-09 10:21 PM |
#39 |
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I Guess I'm Not Convinced... |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-14-09 04:31 PM |
#77 |
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??????? |
Harry Monroe |
Oct-14-09 02:19 PM |
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Can you please point out the people who enjoy living impoverished and uneducated? n/t |
cynatnite |
Oct-14-09 08:48 PM |
#132 |
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You can't "build a nation" among a people that are collectively living in the 13th century |
scheming daemons |
Oct-13-09 08:59 PM |
#5 |
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It's My Understanding... |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-14-09 04:35 PM |
#78 |
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how can you not? |
northzax |
Oct-13-09 08:59 PM |
#6 |
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Do you honestly believe that a few trillion dollars and |
tekisui |
Oct-13-09 09:01 PM |
#8 |
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No it can't! Get them the hell out now! |
obliviously |
Oct-13-09 09:06 PM |
#10 |
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Just Curious |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-14-09 04:37 PM |
#81 |
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American soldiers not being killed! |
obliviously |
Oct-14-09 11:08 PM |
#156 |
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That's one. Anything else? |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-14-09 11:14 PM |
#158 |
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After 8 years that is the only one that concerns me right now! |
obliviously |
Oct-15-09 01:43 AM |
#160 |
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No Offense, But That's a Little Shortsighted of You |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-15-09 02:15 AM |
#161 |
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How many years is enough 12..20...50? |
obliviously |
Oct-15-09 06:55 PM |
#166 |
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Is That Really the Best Way to Measure This War |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-15-09 07:06 PM |
#168 |
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So you are saying it hasn't been on hold the last 8 months? |
obliviously |
Oct-15-09 08:08 PM |
#170 |
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I Would Say It Has... |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-15-09 08:22 PM |
#171 |
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The general wants far more troops. my opinion is |
obliviously |
Oct-15-09 08:30 PM |
#172 |
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I Can Agree With You On That. |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-15-09 08:35 PM |
#174 |
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I had a feeling in the long run we were pretty much on the same page! |
obliviously |
Oct-15-09 08:37 PM |
#175 |
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yup |
northzax |
Oct-13-09 09:27 PM |
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Chad, that's just idiotic. |
Sebastian Doyle |
Oct-13-09 09:36 PM |
#27 |
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well since most slaves never SAW Africa |
northzax |
Oct-13-09 09:59 PM |
#29 |
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You have a vivid imagination Chad. Does your father know about the mushrooms? |
Sebastian Doyle |
Oct-13-09 10:14 PM |
#36 |
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I don't need to accuse you of anything |
northzax |
Oct-13-09 10:30 PM |
#40 |
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How much UNOCAL stock does your daddy have? |
Sebastian Doyle |
Oct-13-09 10:47 PM |
#41 |
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you're still talking about the DLC? |
northzax |
Oct-14-09 09:56 AM |
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northzax |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-14-09 04:45 PM |
#84 |
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Whoa Whoa Whoa |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-14-09 04:43 PM |
#83 |
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!?!?!? |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-14-09 04:39 PM |
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If that is your standard, so you support invading and occupying |
tekisui |
Oct-13-09 09:53 PM |
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um, have we invaded any of those lately? |
northzax |
Oct-13-09 10:02 PM |
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We are making it worse with each day, each bomb and each |
tekisui |
Oct-13-09 10:12 PM |
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we are? |
northzax |
Oct-14-09 10:06 AM |
#53 |
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Are We? |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-14-09 04:54 PM |
#86 |
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China. |
BuyingThyme |
Oct-13-09 10:14 PM |
#37 |
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Cowboy up! |
tekisui |
Oct-13-09 10:18 PM |
#38 |
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That's a Mischaracterization on Your Part |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-14-09 04:55 PM |
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Generally? No. |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-14-09 04:50 PM |
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if you think they want us bombing the crap out of them you are |
jonnyblitz |
Oct-13-09 10:53 PM |
#42 |
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you're right |
northzax |
Oct-14-09 10:18 AM |
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Do you understand that not all those labeled 'Taliban' |
tekisui |
Oct-14-09 10:36 AM |
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ok, first off, there are no moderate 'Taliban" |
northzax |
Oct-14-09 10:58 AM |
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Check out this statement from yesterday: |
tekisui |
Oct-14-09 11:01 AM |
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a threat per se? not really. |
northzax |
Oct-14-09 04:19 PM |
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Frankly |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-14-09 05:02 PM |
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I Think You Need to Look Up the Definition of "Racist" |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-14-09 05:00 PM |
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Obviously No One Wants Bombs Dropped on Them |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-14-09 04:57 PM |
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Depends on How They're Utilized. |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-14-09 04:36 PM |
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The problem is the locals are shooting at us now. They want foreign troops off their land. |
Selatius |
Oct-13-09 10:57 PM |
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Sigh |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-14-09 05:05 PM |
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As has been pointed out up thread, they obviously LIKED it that way |
anonymous171 |
Oct-14-09 09:58 PM |
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No One "Likes" Living in a War Zone |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-14-09 10:09 PM |
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GET OUT NOW.... !!! RUN, RUN FAST..!! |
sam sarrha |
Oct-13-09 09:13 PM |
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I chose no ... |
gleaner |
Oct-13-09 09:19 PM |
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I Guess I Don't Consider Things Like... |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-14-09 05:08 PM |
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Helping another country by ... |
gleaner |
Oct-14-09 07:35 PM |
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Okie Dokie |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-14-09 07:49 PM |
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The Return ..... |
gleaner |
Oct-15-09 08:02 PM |
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Alright Then |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-15-09 08:33 PM |
#173 |
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You Read! |
gleaner |
Oct-16-09 05:08 AM |
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I know it is not popular, but |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-13-09 09:30 PM |
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No (nt) |
bigwillq |
Oct-13-09 09:31 PM |
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No, |
Libertas1776 |
Oct-13-09 09:31 PM |
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Yes and no. Basically I fear it's just hopeless. |
Maru Kitteh |
Oct-13-09 09:33 PM |
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It sounds like a great idea to me. |
blondeatlast |
Oct-14-09 07:47 AM |
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Great Until |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-14-09 05:09 PM |
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If we are able to behave as a recurrent infection w/our military, we cand do the same with |
Maru Kitteh |
Oct-15-09 02:18 AM |
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No knr nt |
slipslidingaway |
Oct-13-09 09:34 PM |
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We had no business being there -- we should get out -- |
defendandprotect |
Oct-13-09 10:09 PM |
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No. I don't support nation building anywhere. |
Mudoria |
Oct-13-09 10:11 PM |
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It would be pretty sweet if we got back in to building up OUR nation. |
harun |
Oct-14-09 10:10 AM |
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No |
TexasObserver |
Oct-13-09 11:12 PM |
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Fuckity-fuck NO. |
BeHereNow |
Oct-13-09 11:14 PM |
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If anyone thinks we are there to do nation-building, they need to read a lot more history |
yurbud |
Oct-14-09 03:55 AM |
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Not possible to make central Asian tribal people into Americans at gunpoint |
eridani |
Oct-14-09 05:54 AM |
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Who's Trying to Make Them "Americans"? |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-14-09 05:11 PM |
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If they'd become Americans, they'd stop minding the American military in their country n/t |
eridani |
Oct-15-09 08:23 AM |
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Hell No!!! Nobody has a right to go into somebody else's house and tell them how to live |
Xicano |
Oct-14-09 06:07 AM |
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of course you do |
northzax |
Oct-14-09 10:22 AM |
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You over-simplify your war metaphors. |
tekisui |
Oct-14-09 10:39 AM |
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except now we are there |
northzax |
Oct-14-09 04:23 PM |
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Enlist, bud. |
tekisui |
Oct-14-09 05:12 PM |
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Getting Personal, Are We? |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-14-09 05:13 PM |
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Who are you? |
tekisui |
Oct-14-09 05:14 PM |
#101 |
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And Again |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-14-09 05:16 PM |
#103 |
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It's boring. |
tekisui |
Oct-14-09 05:19 PM |
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That's a Distortion and You Know It |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-14-09 05:20 PM |
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Not interested. |
tekisui |
Oct-14-09 05:21 PM |
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???? |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-14-09 05:24 PM |
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We need to focus on nation building alright |
donheld |
Oct-14-09 10:21 AM |
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How Do You Build A Nation That Was Artificial To Start With... |
KharmaTrain |
Oct-14-09 10:45 AM |
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Exactly. |
tekisui |
Oct-14-09 10:51 AM |
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Many Nations We Once Loosely Knit Territories |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-14-09 05:14 PM |
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Ask Bismarck |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-14-09 05:12 PM |
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Anyone here ever talked to someone that's served/serving in Afghanistan? |
Lone_Star_Dem |
Oct-14-09 10:54 AM |
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My brother-in-law served there |
tekisui |
Oct-14-09 10:59 AM |
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I've heard similar accounts. |
Lone_Star_Dem |
Oct-14-09 11:50 AM |
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What I Would Ask You is This... |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-14-09 05:15 PM |
#102 |
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Yeah, what's your point? |
tekisui |
Oct-14-09 05:27 PM |
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In Terms of... |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-14-09 05:32 PM |
#112 |
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You are mistaking the correlation with causation. |
tekisui |
Oct-14-09 05:36 PM |
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Strongly Disagree |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-14-09 05:42 PM |
#116 |
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Other- It's up to US/NATO to help the *Afghanis* build their country. |
baldguy |
Oct-14-09 11:01 AM |
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What if they are not interested in that project? |
tekisui |
Oct-14-09 11:02 AM |
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What Project? |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-14-09 05:17 PM |
#104 |
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Fuck no. We have thousands of people in line waiting for charity health care in Los Angeles, |
closeupready |
Oct-14-09 11:08 AM |
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No, and whoever does should drop everything they are doing and enlist in the military. |
Swamp Rat |
Oct-14-09 02:30 PM |
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are you equally opposed to using the military |
northzax |
Oct-14-09 04:21 PM |
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Red Herring... Just get your ass on the next flight to Afghanistan. |
Swamp Rat |
Oct-14-09 04:27 PM |
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By This Same Logic |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-14-09 05:23 PM |
#108 |
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HA! Logic? Don't tell me about fucking cement mixers. |
Swamp Rat |
Oct-14-09 07:05 PM |
#118 |
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Really Now |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-14-09 07:37 PM |
#121 |
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A bit unlikely? |
Swamp Rat |
Oct-14-09 08:32 PM |
#129 |
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A Dose of Reality |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-14-09 08:45 PM |
#131 |
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So you are the arbiter of reality? Nope. I don't think so. |
Swamp Rat |
Oct-14-09 09:16 PM |
#137 |
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Well, Someone's Gotta Be |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-14-09 09:33 PM |
#140 |
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By the way, welcome to DU, and here is your free lesson for the day: |
Swamp Rat |
Oct-14-09 10:09 PM |
#151 |
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Thanks and All. However. |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-14-09 10:30 PM |
#153 |
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The idea of using the military for anything but destroying shit is ridiculous. |
L0oniX |
Oct-14-09 10:12 PM |
#152 |
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Disagree |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-14-09 10:32 PM |
#154 |
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Even gangsters guard their own neighborhood. |
L0oniX |
Oct-14-09 10:36 PM |
#155 |
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+9999999999999999 |
L0oniX |
Oct-14-09 10:00 PM |
#147 |
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they need to build a mcdonalds there |
datasuspect |
Oct-14-09 04:20 PM |
#73 |
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Yes, and that's why foreign troops should be withdrawn. |
JackRiddler |
Oct-14-09 04:36 PM |
#79 |
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Interesting answer, JR. |
tekisui |
Oct-14-09 09:08 PM |
#134 |
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Just Out of Curiousity |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-14-09 09:12 PM |
#135 |
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Why do you say that "they don't want us there anymore?" |
Vattel |
Oct-14-09 09:44 PM |
#143 |
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Pathetic that some here voted yes. I guess you have an investment in opium. |
L0oniX |
Oct-14-09 05:02 PM |
#90 |
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Nice strawman. |
ceile |
Oct-14-09 05:32 PM |
#113 |
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The Graveyard Of Empires |
walldude |
Oct-14-09 05:11 PM |
#96 |
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It's either done now or we're back there again in 25 years. |
ceile |
Oct-14-09 05:31 PM |
#111 |
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awwww c'mon |
timo |
Oct-14-09 05:35 PM |
#114 |
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I cannot believe some (most) of the responses on this thread. |
ceile |
Oct-14-09 05:59 PM |
#117 |
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The Greeks, Romans, Brits, and Russians had a helluva good time building Afghanistan. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Oct-14-09 07:43 PM |
#122 |
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Sure. |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-14-09 07:49 PM |
#124 |
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Here's one. They all got they're asses kicked out of a country they tried to take over. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Oct-14-09 07:54 PM |
#125 |
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Specifics? |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-14-09 08:07 PM |
#126 |
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A very differnt war. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Oct-14-09 08:18 PM |
#127 |
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Thanks, but... |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-14-09 08:35 PM |
#130 |
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Alright, big shot. |
tekisui |
Oct-14-09 08:27 PM |
#128 |
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I Thought You Were Ignoring Me? |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-14-09 09:06 PM |
#133 |
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Really, before you and I can address your points, or mine |
tekisui |
Oct-14-09 09:12 PM |
#136 |
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Fair Enough, Now... |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-14-09 09:17 PM |
#138 |
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We declare it over. |
tekisui |
Oct-14-09 09:34 PM |
#141 |
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Some Agreement. |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-14-09 09:46 PM |
#144 |
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The PR victory that al-Qaeda and the Taliban |
tekisui |
Oct-14-09 09:57 PM |
#145 |
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Also Some Agreement |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Oct-14-09 10:07 PM |
#148 |
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Hell no. It is too hard to build a nation into what we want it to be. |
Jennicut |
Oct-14-09 09:23 PM |
#139 |
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Afghanistan is a borderline failed state comrpised of many different nations. |
anonymous171 |
Oct-14-09 09:40 PM |
#142 |
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Afghanistan was never a state in the modern sense. It's the tribal homeland |
Monk06 |
Oct-14-09 10:09 PM |
#149 |
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The people who run our government should be smart enough to know and understand this. |
Swamp Rat |
Oct-15-09 03:02 PM |
#165 |
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Hell to the NO. nt |
earth mom |
Oct-14-09 11:09 PM |
#157 |
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The only application for US nation building I'm currently accepting is here in the US |
TheKentuckian |
Oct-15-09 12:02 AM |
#159 |
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cut and run! cut and run! |
mdmc |
Oct-15-09 07:00 PM |
#167 |
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the peaceful choice,,, 7 more years of war and death ,nt |
excess_3 |
Oct-16-09 06:02 AM |
#177 |
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