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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 04:29 PM
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133. No. We don't need anyone parlaying this into modern-day slavery.
That's where this is headed, sure as shit.
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  - Should Unemployed People Work for Free? babylonsister  Oct-12-09 02:40 PM   #0 
  - No  Bluzmann57   Oct-12-09 02:42 PM   #1 
  - Strongly second that "No."  timtom   Oct-12-09 04:31 PM   #53 
  - Ummm Lincoln freed the slaves Georgia..  ddeclue   Oct-12-09 02:44 PM   #2 
  - +100  Thickasabrick   Oct-12-09 02:48 PM   #8 
  - Minor difference...  Rebubula   Oct-12-09 03:12 PM   #22 
  - Meh...Georgia government sucks....Sonny Perdue is a selfish, republican  Thickasabrick   Oct-12-09 03:15 PM   #23 
  - Slaves got "on the job training" too...and worked for a lot of important people too..  ddeclue   Oct-12-09 03:45 PM   #39 
  - Thus spake...  Greyhound   Oct-12-09 09:26 PM   #71 
  - More than half got permanent positions after the program. Means that  elehhhhna   Oct-13-09 07:14 AM   #111 
  - or more than half are using it to get free labor  northernlights   Oct-13-09 09:41 AM   #120 
  - Further, the workers/slaves, would be kicked off, if they refuse to remain McJobbed!  Gman2   Oct-13-09 10:18 AM   #127 
  - and the more than half that didn't get hired  northernlights   Oct-13-09 09:43 AM   #121 
  - No kidding! That was my first thought. +1  Maru Kitteh   Oct-12-09 08:14 PM   #63 
  - Well, he thought he did at any rate.  Greyhound   Oct-12-09 09:25 PM   #70 
  - Seems to me that while this may be working right now  walldude   Oct-12-09 02:45 PM   #3 
  - up to 42% of the employers are already doing that.  dysfunctional press   Oct-12-09 10:42 PM   #87 
  - No. This is a horrid idea. Not a surprise, though -- the south LOVES its cheap labor.  Brickbat   Oct-12-09 02:46 PM   #4 
  - All jobs need to pay a living wage  Warpy   Oct-12-09 02:46 PM   #5 
  - A living wage is no longer $10 per hour. It is at least $15, if not more  demwing   Oct-12-09 11:27 PM   #93 
     - I agree with your specifications, but I'm guessing you base this on a single person  sohndrsmith   Oct-13-09 01:12 AM   #102 
     - And it's higher in a lot of cities  Warpy   Oct-13-09 10:14 AM   #126 
  - If they are working part time on the job training, and they are getting  Obamanaut   Oct-12-09 02:47 PM   #6 
  - I agree. Since it's only 6 weeks and 58% have been hired permanently  ctaylors6   Oct-12-09 02:56 PM   #11 
  - they're working for private companies = subsidy to business from state $$.  Hannah Bell   Oct-12-09 02:57 PM   #12 
  - Perhaps this will make it more palatable. They are at a business  Obamanaut   Oct-12-09 03:04 PM   #16 
     - no, it doesn't. they're doing work for the company & getting paid by the state &  Hannah Bell   Oct-12-09 03:22 PM   #27 
     - You are absolutely correct. Much better that people who want to  Obamanaut   Oct-12-09 04:24 PM   #49 
     - if the companies have work, they can pay the workers themselves. what don't you get?  Hannah Bell   Oct-13-09 12:57 AM   #98 
     - Your proposal is to let them set at home and wait?  Thothmes   Oct-12-09 06:54 PM   #59 
     - Are you saying that they cannot find ways to pass the time without  Raineyb   Oct-12-09 08:08 PM   #62 
     - My proposal is to not give public money to PRIVATE corporations in the form of free labor.  Hannah Bell   Oct-13-09 01:00 AM   #99 
        - Thereby giving them the incentive to lay off & lower the wages of their paid workforce.  elehhhhna   Oct-13-09 07:16 AM   #113 
     - Social welfare for corporations. again.  elehhhhna   Oct-13-09 07:15 AM   #112 
     - Umm.. If the businesses had no openings then how did the program get an over 50% success rate?  Fumesucker   Oct-12-09 03:23 PM   #29 
        - it's when there are job openings  ctaylors6   Oct-12-09 04:14 PM   #43 
        - Then the post I to which I replied was wrong..  Fumesucker   Oct-12-09 04:23 PM   #47 
        - I read the OP incorrectly and inserted a "no" where there was none.  Obamanaut   Oct-12-09 04:31 PM   #55 
        - Umm.. I didn't write the article, I simply read it. Here is a quote from  Obamanaut   Oct-12-09 04:20 PM   #46 
           - You were the one who posted that they were at a business that had no openings..  Fumesucker   Oct-12-09 04:24 PM   #50 
              - I misread the OP. Read it too quickly, Inserted a "no" where there  Obamanaut   Oct-12-09 04:29 PM   #52 
                 - Only if the ice melts..  Fumesucker   Oct-12-09 04:31 PM   #54 
  - On the surface it seems like a good idea, BUT the way it was peddled  ecstatic   Oct-12-09 08:17 PM   #64 
  - The Obamanaut favors the fascist state.  Greyhound   Oct-12-09 09:32 PM   #73 
  - Yes, at least until we need them for Soylent Green.  Karmadillo   Oct-12-09 02:48 PM   #7 
  - So the government is paying people to work for a company for free?  notadmblnd   Oct-12-09 02:52 PM   #9 
  - Because otherwise it would be  BadgerKid   Oct-12-09 02:56 PM   #10 
  - Isn't that what we used to call internships?  MindPilot   Oct-12-09 02:57 PM   #13 
  - the state doesn't pay for internships. the people are working for corps & getting paid  Hannah Bell   Oct-12-09 03:28 PM   #33 
  - For 6 weeks.....keeerist  pipoman   Oct-12-09 10:31 PM   #83 
     - It's the state (under)paying the labor costs for private businesses, no matter how  Hannah Bell   Oct-13-09 12:46 AM   #96 
        - The gov isn't doing it for the businesses  pipoman   Oct-13-09 05:15 AM   #109 
           - Of course it is. Otherwise the business would have to do so out of its own pockets  Raineyb   Oct-13-09 03:56 PM   #132 
              - I see first hand  pipoman   Oct-13-09 04:58 PM   #134 
                 - Naive? No, it's not. The government is paying people out of the unemployment rolls  Raineyb   Oct-14-09 10:12 PM   #146 
  - Internships are not offered to older, displaced workers - many of whom would  sohndrsmith   Oct-13-09 01:16 AM   #103 
  - I just can't imagine a businessman abusing such a program...  Umbral   Oct-16-09 10:13 AM   #149 
  - It should not be for free.  dbonds   Oct-12-09 02:58 PM   #14 
  - maybe they get a share of the office donuts  Lance_Boyle   Oct-12-09 03:06 PM   #18 
     - You missed the point that it should still cost the company full price.  dbonds   Oct-12-09 03:08 PM   #20 
        - Why should it cost the company full price?  MindPilot   Oct-12-09 03:22 PM   #28 
           - Because it is free labor.  dbonds   Oct-12-09 03:30 PM   #36 
           - Let the company pay the "training" wage then. Currently, it's free to the company.  Hannah Bell   Oct-13-09 12:48 AM   #97 
  - First, let me ask the most important questioned asked in America today-  asdjrocky   Oct-12-09 03:00 PM   #15 
  - Should Unemployed People Work for Free?  Jkid   Oct-12-09 03:05 PM   #17 
  - I wonder how this squares with ERISA, OSHA, Worker's Comp, etc...  Ruby the Liberal   Oct-12-09 03:08 PM   #19 
  - Nice of the Confederates to create a program that reduces the need for paid workers.  TheKentuckian   Oct-12-09 03:11 PM   #21 
  - So I am laid off from a job that paid $25-30 an hour  doc03   Oct-12-09 03:17 PM   #24 
  - Who are they forcing to work?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-12-09 10:22 PM   #80 
     - It could lead to being forced. The person at the unemployment  doc03   Oct-12-09 10:51 PM   #88 
     - I didn't ask what could happen. I'm well aware of the possible repercussions.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-13-09 10:47 AM   #128 
        - And yet it appears you support it, you don't even  doc03   Oct-13-09 07:41 PM   #135 
           - Support it? What gives you that idea. I am a union member.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-13-09 08:00 PM   #136 
              - You came to the defence of the idea saying where does it  doc03   Oct-13-09 08:10 PM   #137 
                 - I just didn't see where that was and asked you about it.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-13-09 08:18 PM   #138 
                    - Here is my situation, I am laid off  doc03   Oct-13-09 08:59 PM   #140 
                       - Sorry for the situation hope it improves.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-13-09 09:19 PM   #142 
                       - I'm with you  tinkerbell41   Oct-16-09 10:02 AM   #148 
     - You know industry moving to the south for cheap  doc03   Oct-12-09 11:07 PM   #90 
        - Asian labor is becoming too expensive now.  KillCapitalism   Oct-13-09 12:27 AM   #95 
           - Interesting and we complain it is a jobless  doc03   Oct-13-09 08:27 AM   #117 
  - It's like working on a chaingang without doing the crime.  lob1   Oct-12-09 03:17 PM   #25 
  - I sure did when I was's called looking for work  Burma Jones   Oct-12-09 03:21 PM   #26 
  - So companies can lay off workers and the state will give them workers for free?  Incitatus   Oct-12-09 03:24 PM   #30 
  - If they just used prisoners, the companies wouldn't ever have to "hire" anyone at all!  Romulox   Oct-12-09 03:27 PM   #31 
  - Theys missin' theys chaingangs.  Gman2   Oct-12-09 03:27 PM   #32 
  - Charles Dickens London lives  busybl   Oct-12-09 03:28 PM   #34 
  - Maybe so, but it doesn't live in America  BOG PERSON   Oct-12-09 04:25 PM   #51 
  - In most states it's illegal to have someone work for you without paying them the pervailing wage.  jaxx   Oct-12-09 03:28 PM   #35 
  - WTF? If they're working at a business they should be getting a SALARY  Raineyb   Oct-12-09 03:35 PM   #37 
  - What a racket  blindpig   Oct-12-09 03:41 PM   #38 
  - Oh hell no  REP   Oct-12-09 03:50 PM   #40 
  - That is why William Tecumseh Sherman is  doc03   Oct-12-09 04:10 PM   #41 
  - A toast to the General!  JVS   Oct-12-09 10:23 PM   #81 
  - They're not working for free  Yo_Mama   Oct-12-09 04:13 PM   #42 
  - You do realize you just contradicted yourself in 2 sentences right?  Raineyb   Oct-12-09 04:17 PM   #44 
     - No, I didn't go through this program  Yo_Mama   Oct-12-09 07:34 PM   #60 
        - If these businesses need people they can hire them. For a salary the way  Raineyb   Oct-12-09 08:07 PM   #61 
  - NO  treestar   Oct-12-09 04:19 PM   #45 
  - I wouldn't mind if they were working in non-profits, government  Blue-Jay   Oct-12-09 04:23 PM   #48 
  - Yup, that's exactly the difference.  Withywindle   Oct-12-09 08:20 PM   #65 
  - Good grief, people.  Lars39   Oct-12-09 04:36 PM   #56 
  - It's another free ride for the corporations. They get to save $15 million in labor  Blue Diadem   Oct-12-09 04:47 PM   #57 
  - Well if they offer to cover basic living expenses, I don't see the injustice.  BOG PERSON   Oct-12-09 04:53 PM   #58 
  - it bloody well is. sure, maybe the gov could just house them in dorms & cover their food.  Hannah Bell   Oct-13-09 01:06 AM   #100 
  - WTF is the point?  tonysam   Oct-12-09 08:22 PM   #66 
  - The point is...  Yo_Mama   Oct-12-09 10:01 PM   #78 
  - Just as long as it's not retail  jmowreader   Oct-12-09 08:49 PM   #67 
  - bwahahahahaha!  Extend a Hand   Oct-12-09 09:17 PM   #68 
  - No. Corporatism is bad.  anonymous171   Oct-12-09 09:20 PM   #69 
  - The definition of fascism, and it has it's advocates here.  Greyhound   Oct-12-09 09:29 PM   #72 
  - Sounds like another government giveaway to business.  bobbolink   Oct-12-09 09:35 PM   #74 
  - Georgia sucks in every way. Do nothing we do here. nt  onehandle   Oct-12-09 09:36 PM   #75 
  - Not until the rich turn over their wealth and open their doors to the homeless  havocmom   Oct-12-09 09:40 PM   #76 
  - This will drive down the cost of labor even worse than outsourcing or prison labor has!  AlienGirl   Oct-12-09 09:48 PM   #77 
  - Any manager knows  pipoman   Oct-12-09 10:39 PM   #86 
     - In my experience, not at the lower end of retail work--the de-skilled and unskilled jobs. nt  AlienGirl   Oct-12-09 11:14 PM   #91 
        - That is where I do most of my hiring (restaurant wait and dish room help)  pipoman   Oct-13-09 05:32 AM   #110 
  - If they want to.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-12-09 10:21 PM   #79 
  - Ditto if they want to  TheWebHead   Oct-12-09 10:29 PM   #82 
  - Sure UI "incentivizes" people to refuse lower paying jobs  tonysam   Oct-12-09 10:36 PM   #85 
  - No. And companies/ individuals who exploit such desparation should be fined heavily.  JVS   Oct-12-09 10:34 PM   #84 
  - Sometimes I cry because the length that America goes to fuck the poor no longer shocks me  EndersDame   Oct-12-09 10:54 PM   #89 
  - Its a little different in Florida  demwing   Oct-12-09 11:22 PM   #92 
  - Sacramento County, CA does the same, but they can actually assign you to for-profit businesses.  LeftyMom   Oct-13-09 01:19 AM   #104 
  - yes, & 35 hours a week means if you're a single parent you need childcare.  Hannah Bell   Oct-13-09 04:35 AM   #108 
  - If it's not required then I see little issue.  Regret My New Name   Oct-12-09 11:35 PM   #94 
  - I wonder what we call "production"/manufacturing of goods produced  sohndrsmith   Oct-13-09 01:09 AM   #101 
  - Working for free = volunteerinng. It's not a bad way to shine within  sohndrsmith   Oct-13-09 01:19 AM   #105 
  - Working for free can also = slavery..  Fumesucker   Oct-13-09 04:27 AM   #106 
     - Remember when obama proposed mandatory volunteering  JonQ   Oct-13-09 09:53 AM   #123 
        - If it's mandatory it's not volunteering..  Fumesucker   Oct-13-09 10:53 AM   #129 
           - I never said it was a well worded program  JonQ   Oct-14-09 04:06 PM   #145 
  - what's the deal with the unrecs?  Hannah Bell   Oct-13-09 04:31 AM   #107 
  - NO. nt  LWolf   Oct-13-09 07:36 AM   #114 
  - The south just does not want to give up slavery, does it? And now they got the gummint to pay for it  Rabrrrrrr   Oct-13-09 07:40 AM   #115 
  - Unemployment is an insurance that you pay into...  unapatriciated   Oct-13-09 07:48 AM   #116 
  - "the laborer is entitled to their wage". Who said that again?  blueworld   Oct-13-09 09:28 AM   #118 
  - Fuck that  guitar man   Oct-13-09 09:34 AM   #119 
  - Sounds like a subsidized internship  JonQ   Oct-13-09 09:52 AM   #122 
  - If it helps get good people trained and hired and it voluntary, then it sounds like a good program.  aikoaiko   Oct-13-09 09:53 AM   #124 
  - Slavery worked well for Georgia before the Civil War. It looks like they have  Cleita   Oct-13-09 09:55 AM   #125 
  - Not mandatory right now  JonQ   Oct-13-09 03:41 PM   #130 
  - Cut to the chase. Make both unemployment and homelessness illegal  Phoebe Loosinhouse   Oct-13-09 03:43 PM   #131 
  - No. We don't need anyone parlaying this into modern-day slavery.  AngryOldDem   Oct-13-09 04:29 PM   #133 
  - There are many volunteer positions one can take until finding employment  marshall   Oct-13-09 08:46 PM   #139 
  - oh crap no lincoln freed the slaves  pitohui   Oct-13-09 09:10 PM   #141 
  - I agree, and love how you said it.  juno jones   Oct-16-09 12:46 PM   #150 
  - What is wrong with this program? Let me enumerate the ways.  AdHocSolver   Oct-14-09 12:59 AM   #143 
  - Sounds like 19th century workhouses. Forward into the Past!  Vidar   Oct-14-09 03:16 AM   #144 
  - Hell to the NO! Isn't this what they used to call Indentured Servitude?  earth mom   Oct-16-09 02:59 AM   #147 

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