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Mon Oct-12-09 02:47 PM
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| 6. If they are working part time on the job training, and they are getting |
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money from someone, in this case the state - they are not working for free. The state is paying for their OJT.
Since it is part time, they have time to seek other employment if they so desire - "...the right job..." In the meantime, they have some money coming in.
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babylonsister |
Oct-12-09 02:40 PM |
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No |
Bluzmann57 |
Oct-12-09 02:42 PM |
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Strongly second that "No." |
timtom |
Oct-12-09 04:31 PM |
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Ummm Lincoln freed the slaves Georgia.. |
ddeclue |
Oct-12-09 02:44 PM |
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+100 |
Thickasabrick |
Oct-12-09 02:48 PM |
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Minor difference... |
Rebubula |
Oct-12-09 03:12 PM |
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Meh...Georgia government sucks....Sonny Perdue is a selfish, republican |
Thickasabrick |
Oct-12-09 03:15 PM |
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Slaves got "on the job training" too...and worked for a lot of important people too.. |
ddeclue |
Oct-12-09 03:45 PM |
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Thus spake... |
Greyhound |
Oct-12-09 09:26 PM |
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More than half got permanent positions after the program. Means that |
elehhhhna |
Oct-13-09 07:14 AM |
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or more than half are using it to get free labor |
northernlights |
Oct-13-09 09:41 AM |
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Further, the workers/slaves, would be kicked off, if they refuse to remain McJobbed! |
Gman2 |
Oct-13-09 10:18 AM |
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and the more than half that didn't get hired |
northernlights |
Oct-13-09 09:43 AM |
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No kidding! That was my first thought. +1 |
Maru Kitteh |
Oct-12-09 08:14 PM |
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Well, he thought he did at any rate. |
Greyhound |
Oct-12-09 09:25 PM |
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Seems to me that while this may be working right now |
walldude |
Oct-12-09 02:45 PM |
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up to 42% of the employers are already doing that. |
dysfunctional press |
Oct-12-09 10:42 PM |
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No. This is a horrid idea. Not a surprise, though -- the south LOVES its cheap labor. |
Brickbat |
Oct-12-09 02:46 PM |
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All jobs need to pay a living wage |
Warpy |
Oct-12-09 02:46 PM |
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A living wage is no longer $10 per hour. It is at least $15, if not more |
demwing |
Oct-12-09 11:27 PM |
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I agree with your specifications, but I'm guessing you base this on a single person |
sohndrsmith |
Oct-13-09 01:12 AM |
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And it's higher in a lot of cities |
Warpy |
Oct-13-09 10:14 AM |
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If they are working part time on the job training, and they are getting |
Obamanaut |
Oct-12-09 02:47 PM |
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I agree. Since it's only 6 weeks and 58% have been hired permanently |
ctaylors6 |
Oct-12-09 02:56 PM |
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they're working for private companies = subsidy to business from state $$. |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-12-09 02:57 PM |
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Perhaps this will make it more palatable. They are at a business |
Obamanaut |
Oct-12-09 03:04 PM |
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no, it doesn't. they're doing work for the company & getting paid by the state & |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-12-09 03:22 PM |
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You are absolutely correct. Much better that people who want to |
Obamanaut |
Oct-12-09 04:24 PM |
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if the companies have work, they can pay the workers themselves. what don't you get? |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-13-09 12:57 AM |
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Your proposal is to let them set at home and wait? |
Thothmes |
Oct-12-09 06:54 PM |
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Are you saying that they cannot find ways to pass the time without |
Raineyb |
Oct-12-09 08:08 PM |
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My proposal is to not give public money to PRIVATE corporations in the form of free labor. |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-13-09 01:00 AM |
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Thereby giving them the incentive to lay off & lower the wages of their paid workforce. |
elehhhhna |
Oct-13-09 07:16 AM |
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Social welfare for corporations. again. |
elehhhhna |
Oct-13-09 07:15 AM |
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Umm.. If the businesses had no openings then how did the program get an over 50% success rate? |
Fumesucker |
Oct-12-09 03:23 PM |
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it's when there are job openings |
ctaylors6 |
Oct-12-09 04:14 PM |
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Then the post I to which I replied was wrong.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-12-09 04:23 PM |
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I read the OP incorrectly and inserted a "no" where there was none. |
Obamanaut |
Oct-12-09 04:31 PM |
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Umm.. I didn't write the article, I simply read it. Here is a quote from |
Obamanaut |
Oct-12-09 04:20 PM |
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You were the one who posted that they were at a business that had no openings.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-12-09 04:24 PM |
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I misread the OP. Read it too quickly, Inserted a "no" where there |
Obamanaut |
Oct-12-09 04:29 PM |
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Only if the ice melts.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-12-09 04:31 PM |
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On the surface it seems like a good idea, BUT the way it was peddled |
ecstatic |
Oct-12-09 08:17 PM |
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The Obamanaut favors the fascist state. |
Greyhound |
Oct-12-09 09:32 PM |
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Yes, at least until we need them for Soylent Green. |
Karmadillo |
Oct-12-09 02:48 PM |
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So the government is paying people to work for a company for free? |
notadmblnd |
Oct-12-09 02:52 PM |
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Because otherwise it would be |
BadgerKid |
Oct-12-09 02:56 PM |
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Isn't that what we used to call internships? |
MindPilot |
Oct-12-09 02:57 PM |
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the state doesn't pay for internships. the people are working for corps & getting paid |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-12-09 03:28 PM |
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For 6 weeks.....keeerist |
pipoman |
Oct-12-09 10:31 PM |
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It's the state (under)paying the labor costs for private businesses, no matter how |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-13-09 12:46 AM |
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The gov isn't doing it for the businesses |
pipoman |
Oct-13-09 05:15 AM |
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Of course it is. Otherwise the business would have to do so out of its own pockets |
Raineyb |
Oct-13-09 03:56 PM |
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I see first hand |
pipoman |
Oct-13-09 04:58 PM |
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Naive? No, it's not. The government is paying people out of the unemployment rolls |
Raineyb |
Oct-14-09 10:12 PM |
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Internships are not offered to older, displaced workers - many of whom would |
sohndrsmith |
Oct-13-09 01:16 AM |
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I just can't imagine a businessman abusing such a program... |
Umbral |
Oct-16-09 10:13 AM |
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It should not be for free. |
dbonds |
Oct-12-09 02:58 PM |
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maybe they get a share of the office donuts |
Lance_Boyle |
Oct-12-09 03:06 PM |
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You missed the point that it should still cost the company full price. |
dbonds |
Oct-12-09 03:08 PM |
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Why should it cost the company full price? |
MindPilot |
Oct-12-09 03:22 PM |
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Because it is free labor. |
dbonds |
Oct-12-09 03:30 PM |
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Let the company pay the "training" wage then. Currently, it's free to the company. |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-13-09 12:48 AM |
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First, let me ask the most important questioned asked in America today- |
asdjrocky |
Oct-12-09 03:00 PM |
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Should Unemployed People Work for Free? |
Jkid |
Oct-12-09 03:05 PM |
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I wonder how this squares with ERISA, OSHA, Worker's Comp, etc... |
Ruby the Liberal |
Oct-12-09 03:08 PM |
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Nice of the Confederates to create a program that reduces the need for paid workers. |
TheKentuckian |
Oct-12-09 03:11 PM |
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So I am laid off from a job that paid $25-30 an hour |
doc03 |
Oct-12-09 03:17 PM |
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Who are they forcing to work? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-12-09 10:22 PM |
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It could lead to being forced. The person at the unemployment |
doc03 |
Oct-12-09 10:51 PM |
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I didn't ask what could happen. I'm well aware of the possible repercussions. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-13-09 10:47 AM |
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And yet it appears you support it, you don't even |
doc03 |
Oct-13-09 07:41 PM |
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Support it? What gives you that idea. I am a union member. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-13-09 08:00 PM |
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You came to the defence of the idea saying where does it |
doc03 |
Oct-13-09 08:10 PM |
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I just didn't see where that was and asked you about it. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-13-09 08:18 PM |
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Here is my situation, I am laid off |
doc03 |
Oct-13-09 08:59 PM |
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Sorry for the situation hope it improves. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-13-09 09:19 PM |
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I'm with you |
tinkerbell41 |
Oct-16-09 10:02 AM |
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You know industry moving to the south for cheap |
doc03 |
Oct-12-09 11:07 PM |
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Asian labor is becoming too expensive now. |
KillCapitalism |
Oct-13-09 12:27 AM |
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Interesting and we complain it is a jobless |
doc03 |
Oct-13-09 08:27 AM |
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It's like working on a chaingang without doing the crime. |
lob1 |
Oct-12-09 03:17 PM |
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I sure did when I was unemployed.........it's called looking for work |
Burma Jones |
Oct-12-09 03:21 PM |
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So companies can lay off workers and the state will give them workers for free? |
Incitatus |
Oct-12-09 03:24 PM |
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If they just used prisoners, the companies wouldn't ever have to "hire" anyone at all! |
Romulox |
Oct-12-09 03:27 PM |
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Theys missin' theys chaingangs. |
Gman2 |
Oct-12-09 03:27 PM |
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Charles Dickens London lives |
busybl |
Oct-12-09 03:28 PM |
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Maybe so, but it doesn't live in America |
BOG PERSON |
Oct-12-09 04:25 PM |
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In most states it's illegal to have someone work for you without paying them the pervailing wage. |
jaxx |
Oct-12-09 03:28 PM |
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WTF? If they're working at a business they should be getting a SALARY |
Raineyb |
Oct-12-09 03:35 PM |
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What a racket |
blindpig |
Oct-12-09 03:41 PM |
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Oh hell no |
REP |
Oct-12-09 03:50 PM |
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That is why William Tecumseh Sherman is |
doc03 |
Oct-12-09 04:10 PM |
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A toast to the General! |
JVS |
Oct-12-09 10:23 PM |
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They're not working for free |
Yo_Mama |
Oct-12-09 04:13 PM |
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You do realize you just contradicted yourself in 2 sentences right? |
Raineyb |
Oct-12-09 04:17 PM |
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No, I didn't go through this program |
Yo_Mama |
Oct-12-09 07:34 PM |
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If these businesses need people they can hire them. For a salary the way |
Raineyb |
Oct-12-09 08:07 PM |
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NO |
treestar |
Oct-12-09 04:19 PM |
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I wouldn't mind if they were working in non-profits, government |
Blue-Jay |
Oct-12-09 04:23 PM |
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Yup, that's exactly the difference. |
Withywindle |
Oct-12-09 08:20 PM |
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Good grief, people. |
Lars39 |
Oct-12-09 04:36 PM |
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It's another free ride for the corporations. They get to save $15 million in labor |
Blue Diadem |
Oct-12-09 04:47 PM |
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Well if they offer to cover basic living expenses, I don't see the injustice. |
BOG PERSON |
Oct-12-09 04:53 PM |
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it bloody well is. sure, maybe the gov could just house them in dorms & cover their food. |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-13-09 01:06 AM |
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WTF is the point? |
tonysam |
Oct-12-09 08:22 PM |
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The point is... |
Yo_Mama |
Oct-12-09 10:01 PM |
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Just as long as it's not retail |
jmowreader |
Oct-12-09 08:49 PM |
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bwahahahahaha! |
Extend a Hand |
Oct-12-09 09:17 PM |
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No. Corporatism is bad. |
anonymous171 |
Oct-12-09 09:20 PM |
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The definition of fascism, and it has it's advocates here. |
Greyhound |
Oct-12-09 09:29 PM |
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Sounds like another government giveaway to business. |
bobbolink |
Oct-12-09 09:35 PM |
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Georgia sucks in every way. Do nothing we do here. nt |
onehandle |
Oct-12-09 09:36 PM |
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Not until the rich turn over their wealth and open their doors to the homeless |
havocmom |
Oct-12-09 09:40 PM |
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This will drive down the cost of labor even worse than outsourcing or prison labor has! |
AlienGirl |
Oct-12-09 09:48 PM |
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Any manager knows |
pipoman |
Oct-12-09 10:39 PM |
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In my experience, not at the lower end of retail work--the de-skilled and unskilled jobs. nt |
AlienGirl |
Oct-12-09 11:14 PM |
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That is where I do most of my hiring (restaurant wait and dish room help) |
pipoman |
Oct-13-09 05:32 AM |
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If they want to. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-12-09 10:21 PM |
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Ditto if they want to |
TheWebHead |
Oct-12-09 10:29 PM |
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Sure UI "incentivizes" people to refuse lower paying jobs |
tonysam |
Oct-12-09 10:36 PM |
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No. And companies/ individuals who exploit such desparation should be fined heavily. |
JVS |
Oct-12-09 10:34 PM |
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Sometimes I cry because the length that America goes to fuck the poor no longer shocks me |
EndersDame |
Oct-12-09 10:54 PM |
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Its a little different in Florida |
demwing |
Oct-12-09 11:22 PM |
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Sacramento County, CA does the same, but they can actually assign you to for-profit businesses. |
LeftyMom |
Oct-13-09 01:19 AM |
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yes, & 35 hours a week means if you're a single parent you need childcare. |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-13-09 04:35 AM |
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If it's not required then I see little issue. |
Regret My New Name |
Oct-12-09 11:35 PM |
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I wonder what we call "production"/manufacturing of goods produced |
sohndrsmith |
Oct-13-09 01:09 AM |
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Working for free = volunteerinng. It's not a bad way to shine within |
sohndrsmith |
Oct-13-09 01:19 AM |
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Working for free can also = slavery.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-13-09 04:27 AM |
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Remember when obama proposed mandatory volunteering |
JonQ |
Oct-13-09 09:53 AM |
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If it's mandatory it's not volunteering.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-13-09 10:53 AM |
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I never said it was a well worded program |
JonQ |
Oct-14-09 04:06 PM |
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what's the deal with the unrecs? |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-13-09 04:31 AM |
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NO. nt |
LWolf |
Oct-13-09 07:36 AM |
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The south just does not want to give up slavery, does it? And now they got the gummint to pay for it |
Rabrrrrrr |
Oct-13-09 07:40 AM |
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Unemployment is an insurance that you pay into... |
unapatriciated |
Oct-13-09 07:48 AM |
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"the laborer is entitled to their wage". Who said that again? |
blueworld |
Oct-13-09 09:28 AM |
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Fuck that |
guitar man |
Oct-13-09 09:34 AM |
#119 |
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Sounds like a subsidized internship |
JonQ |
Oct-13-09 09:52 AM |
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If it helps get good people trained and hired and it voluntary, then it sounds like a good program. |
aikoaiko |
Oct-13-09 09:53 AM |
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Slavery worked well for Georgia before the Civil War. It looks like they have |
Cleita |
Oct-13-09 09:55 AM |
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Not mandatory right now |
JonQ |
Oct-13-09 03:41 PM |
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Cut to the chase. Make both unemployment and homelessness illegal |
Phoebe Loosinhouse |
Oct-13-09 03:43 PM |
#131 |
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No. We don't need anyone parlaying this into modern-day slavery. |
AngryOldDem |
Oct-13-09 04:29 PM |
#133 |
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There are many volunteer positions one can take until finding employment |
marshall |
Oct-13-09 08:46 PM |
#139 |
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oh crap no lincoln freed the slaves |
pitohui |
Oct-13-09 09:10 PM |
#141 |
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I agree, and love how you said it. |
juno jones |
Oct-16-09 12:46 PM |
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What is wrong with this program? Let me enumerate the ways. |
AdHocSolver |
Oct-14-09 12:59 AM |
#143 |
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Sounds like 19th century workhouses. Forward into the Past! |
Vidar |
Oct-14-09 03:16 AM |
#144 |
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Hell to the NO! Isn't this what they used to call Indentured Servitude? |
earth mom |
Oct-16-09 02:59 AM |
#147 |
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