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Mon Oct-12-09 04:56 PM
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They are cutting their own throats in pursuit of short term gains. Fuel prices will inevitably go up. (see peak oil)
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| -Pilots on Food Stamps by Michael Moore |
Generic Other |
Oct-11-09 05:55 PM |
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if you can't make money as a pilot, what can you do and make a decent living? |
yurbud |
Oct-11-09 06:01 PM |
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Several years ago I was on a motel shuttle bus |
donco |
Oct-11-09 06:34 PM |
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Crew rest rules are another one of the industry's dirty little secrets |
mn9driver |
Oct-11-09 06:56 PM |
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yep - "block time" |
dana_b |
Oct-12-09 12:48 PM |
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how many years ago? I can remember when those guys used to make $70K and more |
yurbud |
Oct-11-09 07:16 PM |
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That was in the early nineties, Romulus Mi (Detroit). nt |
donco |
Oct-11-09 09:36 PM |
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Paramedics make a decent living. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-11-09 09:39 PM |
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The Maritime Industry |
Merchant Marine |
Oct-12-09 02:10 AM |
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Sailors earn it. They are on 24/7 for six months. |
mudplanet |
Oct-12-09 01:18 PM |
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Become a politician. n/t |
snake in the grass |
Oct-12-09 03:23 PM |
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I had NO idea about their pay. I thought they must make over 100,000 a year, easy |
debbierlus |
Oct-11-09 06:02 PM |
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the ones with seniority do |
Skittles |
Oct-11-09 06:08 PM |
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I'm not so sure the ones with seniority |
SheilaT |
Oct-11-09 06:23 PM |
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at the "legacy" carriers...and european pilots are paid more than in US |
amborin |
Oct-11-09 10:05 PM |
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It doesn't have much to do with seniority directly |
MajorChode |
Oct-11-09 10:08 PM |
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Of course, we cannot have these sorry excuses of airline executives... |
47of74 |
Oct-11-09 06:03 PM |
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Thanks Reagan et al |
malaise |
Oct-11-09 06:05 PM |
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Reagan didn't deregulate the airlines |
Freddie Stubbs |
Oct-12-09 08:06 AM |
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carter may have gotten the deregulation ball rolling, but Reagan strapped rocket boosters to it. |
JHB |
Oct-12-09 02:06 PM |
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Ted Kennedy was very proud of his role in getting this passed |
grantcart |
Oct-12-09 02:24 PM |
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Like dividends and executive pay. nt |
valerief |
Oct-12-09 04:34 PM |
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What industries have survived deregulation and kept fair competition? |
DireStrike |
Oct-12-09 09:40 PM |
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I'm a nurse |
tavalon |
Oct-11-09 06:07 PM |
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me too |
dana_b |
Oct-12-09 12:50 PM |
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I was shocked when I learned how much pilots make |
Canuckistanian |
Oct-11-09 06:22 PM |
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Reagan and his Union Busting buddies. |
glowing |
Oct-12-09 05:41 AM |
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Pilots for big airlines do OK. |
mn9driver |
Oct-11-09 06:22 PM |
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Captain Sully |
Libertas1776 |
Oct-11-09 06:29 PM |
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my 24yr old daughter makes more take home pay than that pilot |
madrchsod |
Oct-11-09 06:38 PM |
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Too many pilots, not enough airplanes. |
rve300 |
Oct-11-09 06:59 PM |
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That's true of any profession. Those just starting were always |
sabrina 1 |
Oct-11-09 09:58 PM |
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The situation today has nothing to do with Reagan. |
rve300 |
Oct-11-09 11:48 PM |
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First of all I did not say that a pilot is dangerous because he |
sabrina 1 |
Oct-12-09 12:48 AM |
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too many pilots, too many actors, too many athletes |
excess_3 |
Oct-11-09 10:03 PM |
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One is not like the others. |
demmiblue |
Oct-11-09 10:07 PM |
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how so, |
excess_3 |
Oct-11-09 10:15 PM |
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You may be posting on the wrong web site. |
The Velveteen Ocelot |
Oct-11-09 10:09 PM |
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Tourism --> McJobs .nt |
excess_3 |
Oct-11-09 10:18 PM |
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I don't know if it's accurate to say their careers have been destroyed |
MajorChode |
Oct-11-09 10:29 PM |
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Athletes, would-be politicians and actors don't have your life in their hands |
hatrack |
Oct-11-09 10:40 PM |
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that has what? to do, with their pay? |
excess_3 |
Oct-11-09 11:48 PM |
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I would argue that politicians have your life in their hands.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-12-09 06:04 AM |
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As a member of Actors' Equity I TAKE OFFENSE AT THIS POST. |
demodonkey |
Oct-12-09 01:34 AM |
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alaska airline pilots live in long-term parking lot B at LAX |
amborin |
Oct-11-09 10:07 PM |
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I'm not sure if I read this somewhere |
ampad |
Oct-11-09 10:09 PM |
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"One of them commuting long hours just to get to her airline pilot job" |
rve300 |
Oct-11-09 11:25 PM |
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Because many working folks cannot afford to live where they are employed. |
Luminous Animal |
Oct-11-09 11:53 PM |
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You are getting closer to the answer. |
rve300 |
Oct-12-09 12:04 AM |
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Deregulation. |
Luminous Animal |
Oct-12-09 12:16 AM |
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Such things can be made conditions of employment if the company gives a shit about it. |
JVS |
Oct-12-09 12:16 AM |
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The copilot in the Buffalo crash was living in her parents' basement in Seattle |
mn9driver |
Oct-12-09 07:56 AM |
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Just a bit of research on her part could have avoided all that. |
rve300 |
Oct-12-09 05:32 PM |
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With a bit of luck, you can enjoy pilots like this |
mn9driver |
Oct-12-09 08:59 PM |
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those two |
amborin |
Oct-11-09 11:57 PM |
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You're an idiot |
Hawkowl |
Oct-12-09 11:34 AM |
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Little known fact that hasn't been stated yet in the MSM.... |
Aviation Pro |
Oct-12-09 12:11 PM |
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yes, exactly |
amborin |
Oct-13-09 11:14 PM |
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I'm not sure any amount of training is going to prevent something like that |
MajorChode |
Oct-13-09 11:37 PM |
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guess you haven't read much |
amborin |
Oct-13-09 11:13 PM |
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here's the article showing the Colgan pilot failed 5 check flights and concealed this |
amborin |
Oct-13-09 11:25 PM |
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the cockpit voice recorder showed they violated sterile cockpit rules |
amborin |
Oct-13-09 11:32 PM |
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These are the ALPA memes.... |
Aviation Pro |
Oct-12-09 12:04 PM |
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your |
amborin |
Oct-13-09 11:16 PM |
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If you are talking about Buffalo? That's in Moore's movie. |
caseymoz |
Oct-12-09 12:19 PM |
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And so the old joke goes... |
MajorChode |
Oct-11-09 10:13 PM |
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In 1972 I made $6/hour as a flight instructor (CFII, ASMEL, GLIDER). |
DemoTex |
Oct-12-09 12:16 AM |
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It isn't much better, in fact a lot worse, adjusted for inflation.... |
Aviation Pro |
Oct-12-09 12:01 PM |
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In 1993 I made $10/hr (CFII) |
Hawkowl |
Oct-12-09 03:08 PM |
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Yup, the latest AOPA statistics reflect that..... |
Aviation Pro |
Oct-12-09 03:28 PM |
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I'm calling Bullshit. |
cherokeeprogressive |
Oct-12-09 12:18 AM |
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Why is it bullshit? |
ThePantaloon.com |
Oct-12-09 09:14 PM |
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The guys in the control towers are in the same boat. |
glowing |
Oct-12-09 05:40 AM |
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Reason number 5473 I don't fly |
shadowknows69 |
Oct-12-09 08:09 AM |
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self-delete, dupe |
valerief |
Oct-12-09 04:39 PM |
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LOL -- irony |
Hoosier |
Oct-12-09 08:38 AM |
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If enough of them quit |
MidwestRick |
Oct-12-09 08:41 AM |
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It's hard to quit -- the benefits package for commercial pilots is generally fairly good. It has |
Brickbat |
Oct-12-09 11:22 AM |
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"If you don't like your job, quit and find one that pays better." |
PVnRT |
Oct-12-09 12:07 PM |
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especially in this economy, huh? |
dana_b |
Oct-12-09 12:53 PM |
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Mike talked about this in "Stupid White Men" book approximately 8 years ago |
Proud Liberal Dem |
Oct-12-09 08:42 AM |
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An example of Capitalism at work? Where did all that bailout $ go? |
nightgaunt |
Oct-12-09 11:15 AM |
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WTF? |
SammyWinstonJack |
Oct-12-09 11:29 AM |
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that story occured in Pittsburgh (?) last year... |
Blue_Tires |
Oct-12-09 12:09 PM |
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Wilkes-Barre, PA -- unbelievable story |
October |
Oct-12-09 04:19 PM |
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"judges getting kickbacks from the private prison industry... |
redqueen |
Oct-12-09 11:31 AM |
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The theory behind this is the "apprenticeship". |
ddeclue |
Oct-12-09 11:39 AM |
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Your figures are too low by half.... |
Aviation Pro |
Oct-12-09 03:17 PM |
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As I said, depends on where and what equipment. |
ddeclue |
Oct-12-09 03:35 PM |
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PM inbound. |
Aviation Pro |
Oct-12-09 03:45 PM |
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PM is cleared for final runway 18. |
ddeclue |
Oct-13-09 08:22 PM |
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K&R. I found the pilot info shocking too, and avoided in TV interviews. |
Overseas |
Oct-12-09 11:45 AM |
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For those who would like to see what pilots earn.... |
Aviation Pro |
Oct-12-09 11:58 AM |
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Kicked and recommended. |
Uncle Joe |
Oct-12-09 12:07 PM |
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I made more as a flight attendant in 1990 |
dana_b |
Oct-12-09 12:44 PM |
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I Am In The Same Boat |
Fastcars |
Oct-12-09 01:20 PM |
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Blame |
kenfrequed |
Oct-12-09 03:29 PM |
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Nope, fares are dropping because of the fuel market.... |
Aviation Pro |
Oct-12-09 03:45 PM |
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Err.. |
kenfrequed |
Oct-12-09 04:56 PM |
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They are also reducing capacity by 6%..... |
Aviation Pro |
Oct-12-09 06:37 PM |
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Before you book a vacation flight, phone the airline and ask what |
valerief |
Oct-12-09 04:40 PM |
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The "recovery" is well under way, I tells ya. |
Greyhound |
Oct-12-09 09:14 PM |
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I'm stunned! |
Liberal_in_LA |
Oct-12-09 10:03 PM |
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which airlines? |
emncaity |
Oct-13-09 08:08 PM |
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test |
emncaity |
Oct-13-09 08:09 PM |
#97 |
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