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138. Being able to defend one's self with the best tools available is. nt
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  -Guns kill people because people buy guns DainBramaged  Apr-16-07 10:36 PM   #0 
  - my husband buys guns and has never killed a person  seabeyond   Apr-16-07 10:37 PM   #1 
  - Guns kill PEOPLE because PEOPLE buy guns  DainBramaged   Apr-16-07 10:39 PM   #2 
  - what about the guns people dont BUY but steal.  seabeyond   Apr-16-07 10:40 PM   #4 
  - Darn you, sea.  Maddy McCall   Apr-16-07 10:41 PM   #8 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-16-07 10:44 PM   #15 
     - Me and mine are doin' fine.  Maddy McCall   Apr-16-07 10:48 PM   #23 
  - If there were no guns available, then how could anyone steal them?  BushOut06   Apr-16-07 10:48 PM   #25 
  - If my aunt had testicles, she'd be my uncle  slackmaster   Apr-17-07 12:10 AM   #85 
  - Where do they steal those guns from?  kiki   Apr-18-07 07:16 AM   #128 
     - they arent stealing dope out of our homes. it isnt being sold in stores and then stolen  seabeyond   Apr-18-07 08:32 AM   #132 
        - Um... people don't steal dope from their dealers.  kiki   Apr-19-07 01:39 PM   #146 
           - and my point, if you outlawed the sales of guns, they would still be here  seabeyond   Apr-19-07 10:13 PM   #147 
              - OK, but that's really got nothing to do  kiki   Apr-20-07 05:43 AM   #149 
                 - the only reason using any point wahtsoever about buying guns is op  seabeyond   Apr-20-07 06:29 AM   #150 
                    - Erm... you've lost me.  kiki   Apr-20-07 08:20 AM   #151 
  - Bullshit.  Maddy McCall   Apr-16-07 10:40 PM   #5 
  - So did a broomstick kill those people today?  DainBramaged   Apr-16-07 10:44 PM   #14 
     - Pathetic.  Maddy McCall   Apr-16-07 10:45 PM   #18 
        - His enemies list most be in the thousands. nt  piedmont   Apr-18-07 01:18 AM   #121 
  - GM cars kill people because people buy GM cars. nt  piedmont   Apr-18-07 01:05 AM   #116 
     - That's like saying that cars kill more people...  zanne   Apr-18-07 07:18 AM   #129 
        - If I meant that I would have said it. Your analogy has nothing to do with mine. nt  piedmont   Apr-18-07 02:00 PM   #137 
  - Neither had the guy at VT  BushOut06   Apr-16-07 10:40 PM   #6 
     - a lot of "law-abiding" citizens buy knives, drive cars, has a hammer  seabeyond   Apr-16-07 10:47 PM   #22 
        - Fact is, there are lots of people who kill who have never had a criminal record  BushOut06   Apr-16-07 10:53 PM   #28 
           - sure and there are a lot a lotta gun owners that go to their grave WiTHOUT  seabeyond   Apr-16-07 10:56 PM   #29 
  - You know those shotguns for hunting and skeet shooting in England and France?  Maddy McCall   Apr-16-07 10:39 PM   #3 
  - And yet they do so much less frequently in England and France.  mycritters2   Apr-16-07 10:41 PM   #7 
  - Well, it may be for many reasons, but it is not because people BUY guns.  Maddy McCall   Apr-16-07 10:42 PM   #11 
  - Because they are all to drunk to shoot straight  pingdashf   Apr-17-07 12:27 AM   #95 
     - As a UK resident...  kiki   Apr-20-07 12:01 PM   #152 
  - To be fair...  Kutjara   Apr-16-07 10:43 PM   #12 
  - But we're not talking about concealability in this thread.  Maddy McCall   Apr-16-07 10:44 PM   #16 
     - The OP's post was about buying, but your reply wasn't.  Kutjara   Apr-16-07 10:48 PM   #24 
        - Is this concealability why it's illegal to saw off the barrel of a shotgun?  Lone_Star_Dem   Apr-16-07 10:58 PM   #32 
        - Yes. A sawnoff shotgun is probably the most deadly short-range weapon available.  Kutjara   Apr-16-07 11:01 PM   #35 
           - But a Glock has 15 +1 9MM rounds  DainBramaged   Apr-16-07 11:06 PM   #42 
        - Columbine...sawed-off shotguns. Right?  Maddy McCall   Apr-16-07 11:01 PM   #37 
        - Yep, nice and concealable.  Kutjara   Apr-16-07 11:05 PM   #41 
           - So you can BUY a gun in the UK, modify it, and conceal it.  Maddy McCall   Apr-16-07 11:08 PM   #43 
              - All weapons purchased in the UK have to be registered with the police.  Kutjara   Apr-16-07 11:44 PM   #62 
        - Or  pingdashf   Apr-17-07 12:29 AM   #96 
  - No kidding  Lone_Star_Dem   Apr-16-07 10:45 PM   #17 
     - And they stopped using buckshot years ago here  DainBramaged   Apr-16-07 11:01 PM   #36 
        - The point that you refuse to see  Lone_Star_Dem   Apr-17-07 12:34 AM   #100 
  - Kicked and rec'ed for the truth about guns.  StrictlyRockers   Apr-16-07 10:41 PM   #9 
  - Here compare American murder and gun murder with the rest of the world  billbuckhead   Apr-16-07 10:42 PM   #10 
  - Wait, Wait...  MiltonF   Apr-19-07 01:50 AM   #142 
  - Well said - we have a sickness in this country...  cdnwannabe   Apr-16-07 10:44 PM   #13 
  - WE SIMPLY HAVE MORE CRAZY PEOPLE..  sam sarrha   Apr-16-07 10:45 PM   #19 
  - It's a culture of retribution.  Maddy McCall   Apr-16-07 10:47 PM   #20 
  - You're right. And that's what has to change: the old-west "retribution" mentality.  AZBlue   Apr-17-07 10:00 PM   #112 
  - Correction:  kiki   Apr-20-07 12:04 PM   #153 
  - Looks like this guy was Chinese national, not American.  Zynx   Apr-16-07 10:52 PM   #27 
     - But his weapon of choice, stolen or purchased, was a gun  DainBramaged   Apr-16-07 10:57 PM   #31 
  - And the manufacturers make BILLIONS  lynyrd_skynyrd   Apr-16-07 10:47 PM   #21 
  - And donate that to politicians.  AZBlue   Apr-17-07 10:01 PM   #113 
  - Why do people who we assume to be progressive love their guns?  DainBramaged   Apr-16-07 10:51 PM   #26 
  - Because we're not progressive. We're actually freepers.  Maddy McCall   Apr-16-07 10:59 PM   #34 
  - find me the statistics on number of children dead in car accidents  seabeyond   Apr-16-07 11:05 PM   #39 
  - How many children die because PEOPLE buy swimming pools?  Nabeshin   Apr-16-07 11:11 PM   #45 
     - Your logic is as dumb as owning a gun  DainBramaged   Apr-16-07 11:20 PM   #52 
        - When confronted by an attacker, I don't want to defend myself with a swimming pool. nt  piedmont   Apr-18-07 01:20 AM   #122 
  - Then they'll make them  bonito   Apr-16-07 10:56 PM   #30 
  - But why are you scared where you live?  DainBramaged   Apr-16-07 10:59 PM   #33 
     - I'm not  bonito   Apr-16-07 11:04 PM   #38 
        - Nope, so why do you need your gun to protect your family ?  DainBramaged   Apr-16-07 11:14 PM   #46 
  - So following this logic, we can conclude that cars kill people because people buy cars  Ghost in the Machine   Apr-16-07 11:05 PM   #40 
  - You're trying to justify the ownership of guns  DainBramaged   Apr-16-07 11:10 PM   #44 
     - and you are trying to justify a fascist, totalitarian agenda, in which you seek  Ghost in the Machine   Apr-17-07 12:30 AM   #98 
     - Why do you defend your gun ownership so strongly?  DainBramaged   Apr-17-07 12:38 AM   #102 
     - Bow and arrow  Thothmes   Apr-17-07 08:38 AM   #104 
  - Loving guns is an idiotic hobby  durrrty libby   Apr-16-07 11:14 PM   #47 
  - so is metal detecting, but hubby just..... loves it. n/t  seabeyond   Apr-16-07 11:15 PM   #48 
  - Men with small penises  Alcibiades   Apr-16-07 11:17 PM   #49 
  - Here's another quote, actually from Sigmund Freud.  scrinmaster   Apr-16-07 11:44 PM   #63 
     - i fear weapons and i dont have retarded sexual maturity, hubby owns guns  seabeyond   Apr-16-07 11:47 PM   #68 
     - And, of course, he has only one gun  Alcibiades   Apr-17-07 12:18 AM   #89 
     - Hmmmm  DainBramaged   Apr-16-07 11:56 PM   #78 
     - I didn't reference people  Alcibiades   Apr-17-07 12:21 AM   #91 
        - I wonder if shooting it is , never mind  DainBramaged   Apr-17-07 12:22 AM   #92 
           - Spewing forth a stream of bullets?  Alcibiades   Apr-17-07 02:16 PM   #105 
  - Odd as it might seem, I am with you on this one but the problem goes deeper too.  uppityperson   Apr-16-07 11:17 PM   #50 
  - What i see here are gun owners trying to justify owning guns  DainBramaged   Apr-16-07 11:18 PM   #51 
  - in all my posts none of it is about justifying, to you or anyone else  seabeyond   Apr-16-07 11:26 PM   #55 
  - Just a question...  Chulanowa   Apr-16-07 11:53 PM   #75 
  - I get it, the gun lobby IS here.  DainBramaged   Apr-16-07 11:21 PM   #53 
  - look, a few of you I can't see anymore, so stop arguing with me.  DainBramaged   Apr-16-07 11:22 PM   #54 
  - lol llol lol.... i am going to point finger, call names, give factless info  seabeyond   Apr-16-07 11:28 PM   #56 
  - I don't reply to the gun lobby, whoever you may be  DainBramaged   Apr-16-07 11:34 PM   #57 
  - Most people who kill people don't 'buy' guns -- they get them illegally  Azathoth   Apr-16-07 11:38 PM   #58 
  - So if they "steal" them. where did they come from?  DainBramaged   Apr-16-07 11:41 PM   #60 
     - Sometimes. They get them from a variety of sources, including smuggling  Azathoth   Apr-17-07 12:01 AM   #81 
        - So what, how many people get killed in England  DainBramaged   Apr-17-07 12:07 AM   #84 
           - You remind me of Bush, invoking the 9/11 families as an excuse to trample the Constitution  Azathoth   Apr-17-07 12:24 AM   #93 
              - Whatever, the fact remains, they were killed with handguns  DainBramaged   Apr-17-07 12:26 AM   #94 
                 - Of course your argument remains the same  Azathoth   Apr-17-07 12:29 AM   #97 
                    - If you don't like my opinion, why bother arguing with me?  DainBramaged   Apr-17-07 12:34 AM   #99 
                       - Point well-taken  Azathoth   Apr-17-07 12:37 AM   #101 
  - I don't know how I have managed to get by for almost 50 years  slackmaster   Apr-16-07 11:40 PM   #59 
  - Am I telling you to do anything?  DainBramaged   Apr-16-07 11:43 PM   #61 
  - I love only people, my pets, and the wonders of nature  slackmaster   Apr-16-07 11:45 PM   #65 
     - I guess you missed my last message  DainBramaged   Apr-16-07 11:46 PM   #67 
     - I look forward to your last message  slackmaster   Apr-16-07 11:47 PM   #69 
        - lol lol you are sharp. should have gone to bed an hour ago  seabeyond   Apr-16-07 11:49 PM   #73 
     - agree with me on my thread or go AWAY.... bah hahhaha.  seabeyond   Apr-16-07 11:49 PM   #71 
  - Put me on ignore than.  DainBramaged   Apr-16-07 11:44 PM   #64 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-16-07 11:46 PM   #66 
        - So your antique collection is threatened by stopping the selling  DainBramaged   Apr-16-07 11:48 PM   #70 
           - If the sale of handguns is stopped, the value of mine will drop to zero instantly  slackmaster   Apr-16-07 11:50 PM   #74 
              - So, people can die to keep the value of your collection up?  DainBramaged   Apr-16-07 11:55 PM   #77 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-16-07 11:57 PM   #79 
                 - No, it's yur idea of a retirement fund that is dangerous to all of us  DainBramaged   Apr-16-07 11:59 PM   #80 
                    - stutter punch  slackmaster   Apr-17-07 12:03 AM   #82 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-17-07 12:05 AM   #83 
              - Actually, their value will increase significantly as their availability decreases.  MGD   Apr-18-07 01:09 AM   #118 
  - Incorrect - similar massacre happened in Germany and in Switzerland  treelogger   Apr-16-07 11:49 PM   #72 
  - Your argument is the NRA argument  DainBramaged   Apr-16-07 11:53 PM   #76 
     - What does the NRA have to do with it?  treelogger   Apr-17-07 12:11 AM   #86 
        - Fine, I still think if we ban handguns, deaths will drop dramatically  DainBramaged   Apr-17-07 12:16 AM   #88 
        - So, the Democratic Majority is the problem?  DainBramaged   Apr-17-07 12:20 AM   #90 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-17-07 12:16 AM   #87 
  - SEGUE: Why do people have handguns? (serious Q here)  flying_monkeys   Apr-17-07 12:42 AM   #103 
  - There are over 1.4 Million violent crimes in this nation annually.  jmg257   Apr-17-07 02:29 PM   #107 
  - To shoot?  treelogger   Apr-18-07 12:26 AM   #114 
  - No one wants to answer you, they love their guns, simply put.  DainBramaged   Apr-18-07 07:15 AM   #127 
  - Pie in the sky.  karlrschneider   Apr-17-07 02:18 PM   #106 
  - You missed the entire point  DainBramaged   Apr-17-07 09:55 PM   #110 
     - Why isn't one bicycle enough? Or one shovel?  treelogger   Apr-18-07 01:02 AM   #115 
        - Why try to justify your gun ownership to me?  DainBramaged   Apr-18-07 07:08 AM   #123 
           - If you don't want to have your question answered ...  treelogger   Apr-19-07 12:38 AM   #141 
  - Guns kill people because people are bastards.  tomreedtoon   Apr-17-07 02:55 PM   #108 
  - An unarmed society is a society that is easy pickings for the police statists  Odin2005   Apr-17-07 05:43 PM   #109 
  - Another Republican talking point  DainBramaged   Apr-17-07 09:56 PM   #111 
     - No. It's a belief of people who value LIBERTY. nt  piedmont   Apr-18-07 01:07 AM   #117 
     - So being able to kill is la form of liberty?  DainBramaged   Apr-18-07 07:11 AM   #125 
        - Being able to defend one's self with the best tools available is. nt  piedmont   Apr-18-07 02:02 PM   #138 
     - Our forefathers were liberals, not conservatives.  MGD   Apr-18-07 01:12 AM   #119 
        - We don't need to form a militia any longer  DainBramaged   Apr-18-07 07:10 AM   #124 
           - The large standing army is incompattible with the Democratic vision of our many forefathers  MGD   Apr-18-07 12:21 PM   #135 
  - And no one ever defends themselves from a group of attackers with a broomstick either  piedmont   Apr-18-07 01:16 AM   #120 
  - We aren't a Third world country yet  DainBramaged   Apr-18-07 07:13 AM   #126 
     - Go walk through downtown Miami, Dallas, or Los Angelas some night and find out how wrong you are  MGD   Apr-18-07 12:24 PM   #136 
  - This thread exposed some interesting opinions by gun defenders  DainBramaged   Apr-18-07 07:26 AM   #130 
  - Its hard to believe you engendered such a response isn't it?  Raskolnik   Apr-18-07 08:22 AM   #131 
  - you didnt listen, you were the one to diss opposing view, you cut people  seabeyond   Apr-18-07 08:41 AM   #133 
  - Must be nice that you live 1 minute away  MiltonF   Apr-19-07 02:04 AM   #143 
  - If you stop selling them, people that want them will steal them.  porphyrian   Apr-18-07 08:44 AM   #134 
  - I think that you're a bit off there  MadHound   Apr-18-07 02:35 PM   #139 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Apr-18-07 03:08 PM   #140 
  - I'm certain somewhere in unwritten history, someone killed 33 people with a broomstick  ends_dont_justify   Apr-19-07 02:06 AM   #144 
  - A broom stick would hardly defend you against an attacker with a gun  CRF450   Apr-19-07 03:43 AM   #145 
  - gasp! But what about all those union workers who make guns? Don't you support unions?  ComerPerro   Apr-19-07 10:15 PM   #148 

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