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Thu Oct-08-09 08:55 PM
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| 83. That would create unavoidable political pressure for those states to "opt in". No? nt |
| -Schumer: Opt-Out Public Option Gaining Steam |
joeycola |
Oct-08-09 03:48 PM |
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Nate Silver at |
skipos |
Oct-08-09 03:51 PM |
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Dems continue to compromise/water down cause they forget they WON. |
joeycola |
Oct-08-09 03:53 PM |
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if they pass the opt out, and red states actually opt out, there will be massive gop losses in 2010 |
Aramchek |
Oct-08-09 05:22 PM |
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Yeah, and how many people -- including DEMS -- will die as a result |
Tansy_Gold |
Oct-08-09 07:53 PM |
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GOP = Death |
niceypoo |
Oct-08-09 10:07 PM |
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why would people die as a result? |
paulk |
Oct-13-09 10:05 AM |
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I agree |
niceypoo |
Oct-08-09 10:06 PM |
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This would also cause deaths in red states, though. Well, allow them to |
No Elephants |
Oct-09-09 12:28 PM |
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I don't think there will be many states that opt out--if any. |
Arkana |
Oct-09-09 12:28 PM |
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I agree. NO compromise. Medicare for all. |
BrklynLiberal |
Oct-08-09 03:54 PM |
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Do you really think that |
Inuca |
Oct-08-09 03:57 PM |
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Well, if we can't pass it NOW, with the presidency and the majority in both houses |
saracat |
Oct-08-09 04:05 PM |
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Our majority isn't worth much when it contains the likes of Blanche Lincoln and Baucus. nt |
Cant trust em |
Oct-08-09 04:17 PM |
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Well, we did elect a corporatist. |
MNDemNY |
Oct-08-09 04:19 PM |
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So you're willing to settle for anything? |
Kermitt Gribble |
Oct-09-09 12:01 PM |
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No Compromise == No Change |
Nederland |
Oct-09-09 01:23 PM |
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Is this the plan where the state in which I live gets to choose whether I have insurance or not? |
BrklynLiberal |
Oct-08-09 03:54 PM |
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Yours and mine, too. You think Kyl is gonna "opt-in" so women |
Tansy_Gold |
Oct-08-09 03:56 PM |
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Hey Tansy! A lot of folks on the board today think this is a good thing |
saracat |
Oct-08-09 04:01 PM |
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you're right - it's absolute BS to say the millions of taxpayers in these |
Divine Discontent |
Oct-08-09 04:09 PM |
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Thanks. I am too angry! Fixed it and you are correct Dumbass Bastards |
saracat |
Oct-08-09 04:20 PM |
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AMEN! DUMBASS BASTARDS... seriously, I share your anger - what sick sick sick people. |
Divine Discontent |
Oct-08-09 04:23 PM |
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This is the opposite of "appeasement" |
WyLoochka |
Oct-08-09 07:06 PM |
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States are artificial entities. Individuals are human beings. You are saying it is all right |
No Elephants |
Oct-09-09 12:35 PM |
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Sounds like you are in a red state. I have a question for you.... |
Diane R |
Oct-08-09 04:11 PM |
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Hah! This is exactly the strategy our state party thinks is gonna work |
saracat |
Oct-08-09 04:16 PM |
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My red state would stand and applaud Jindal for opting out. |
rudy23 |
Oct-08-09 04:19 PM |
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It is not apparent to me that Jindal would be the one to decide |
laughingliberal |
Oct-09-09 12:16 PM |
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How, under the Constitution, can the feds force states to hold a referendum? |
No Elephants |
Oct-09-09 12:38 PM |
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The states may well be able to make the decision themselves but |
laughingliberal |
Oct-09-09 12:48 PM |
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The word is "permit" not "force". |
ieoeja |
Oct-09-09 01:39 PM |
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When you have people ON MEDICARE out protesting against government involvement in health care, you |
BrklynLiberal |
Oct-08-09 06:45 PM |
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This isn't a game. Our way of life (and sometimes our very lives) are lives at stake. |
Iowa |
Oct-08-09 06:51 PM |
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Yeppers, except in very few cases,I suspect you are correct. |
saracat |
Oct-08-09 08:52 PM |
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Deleted dupe. Sorry. |
No Elephants |
Oct-09-09 01:10 PM |
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I write my elected representatives once a week saying |
No Elephants |
Oct-09-09 01:10 PM |
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+ |
SammyWinstonJack |
Oct-09-09 01:43 PM |
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It is 'accept' - not 'except'. They have very different meanings. |
TheCoxwain |
Oct-08-09 04:15 PM |
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Fixed it.Anger effects my spelling. I can't see straight. |
saracat |
Oct-08-09 04:18 PM |
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Hah. It gotcha again. "Affects," not "effects." |
Jackpine Radical |
Oct-08-09 05:30 PM |
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Some days its like that.I am working on becoming illiterate! |
saracat |
Oct-08-09 06:20 PM |
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Perfect. |
Jackpine Radical |
Oct-08-09 08:16 PM |
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You think the businesses in your state will ALLOW the pols to opt out once they crunch the numbers |
blm |
Oct-08-09 04:46 PM |
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You really don't know my state. All those institutions are against funding Public Education |
saracat |
Oct-08-09 04:53 PM |
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That is true at THIS date....but, the math will hit these folks soon enough. |
blm |
Oct-08-09 04:58 PM |
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I apologize for insulting you blm. I am just very angy at the proposed gamble of |
saracat |
Oct-08-09 06:14 PM |
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For how long though? Any business with an ounce of savvy for their profit margins will come down |
blm |
Oct-08-09 06:22 PM |
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I understand but this has been going on for at least 20 years and they don't get it. |
saracat |
Oct-08-09 06:32 PM |
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I highly doubt it...I don't see them ABLE to pull that much wool nowadays...but...we'll see. |
blm |
Oct-08-09 07:38 PM |
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I haven't read the plan as giving the US Senator from the state the power to decide |
laughingliberal |
Oct-09-09 12:07 PM |
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Please see Reply #115. |
No Elephants |
Oct-09-09 01:00 PM |
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As I said in reply #119 all states have some mechanism whereby |
laughingliberal |
Oct-09-09 01:28 PM |
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Exactly. Come on Dems! If now isn't the time to show some spine |
Lorien |
Oct-09-09 07:11 AM |
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Yes. As opposed to the plan in which the state YOU live in gets to choose for me. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Oct-09-09 12:06 PM |
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States are not choosing anything right now. It's the Senators. And, they are doing so |
No Elephants |
Oct-09-09 12:47 PM |
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More likely, You will HAVE to have insurance, BUT your state will decide if you have a public option |
No Elephants |
Oct-09-09 12:30 PM |
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what fekkin public option? |
newspeak |
Oct-09-09 12:43 PM |
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What a revolting bunch of pigs they all are.And people think |
saracat |
Oct-08-09 03:54 PM |
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The operative word in your post is "WAS". I would NEVER vote for Schumer again. |
BrklynLiberal |
Oct-08-09 03:55 PM |
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Bingo! Winning IS everything for them ... doesn't matter what the bill looks like n/t |
LSparkle |
Oct-08-09 03:59 PM |
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What is wrong with you people? |
grytpype |
Oct-08-09 04:01 PM |
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But "we " are gettingNOTHING. |
MNDemNY |
Oct-08-09 05:06 PM |
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There's a big ass difference between "absolutely everything" |
Tansy_Gold |
Oct-08-09 06:10 PM |
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I Love Ya Tansy.Right on again! |
saracat |
Oct-08-09 06:35 PM |
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Well said. Especially the "Fuck you" part. |
Iowa |
Oct-08-09 06:54 PM |
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Yeah, well, I thought it was the proper response to |
Tansy_Gold |
Oct-08-09 06:59 PM |
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It is not a given that the state legislators or governors or any other elected |
laughingliberal |
Oct-09-09 12:11 PM |
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Please see Reply #115. Feds may have the power to force states to hold a referendum, but |
No Elephants |
Oct-09-09 01:05 PM |
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Alabama here, and I'm not much happier than you. |
JoeyT |
Oct-13-09 08:16 AM |
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JoeyT, this post exactly explains the sentiments of some of our Democratic... |
kjackson227 |
Oct-13-09 09:19 AM |
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I hear ya |
fascisthunter |
Oct-08-09 04:01 PM |
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Schumer was running the DSCC when he helped shoved Amy Klobuchar |
dflprincess |
Oct-08-09 04:08 PM |
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What in the hell are we supposed to do in my state??? I guess... |
kjackson227 |
Oct-08-09 03:58 PM |
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Load your state government with progressives? |
jtrockville |
Oct-08-09 04:03 PM |
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which is the exact reason why it cannot be allowed - we are the large majority party & |
Divine Discontent |
Oct-08-09 04:11 PM |
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I much prefer SINGLE-PAYER to a "no watered-down public option" |
jtrockville |
Oct-09-09 02:00 PM |
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Well, that would be great if I had the power to do IT by myself. I have supported... |
kjackson227 |
Oct-08-09 04:12 PM |
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Exactly. |
saracat |
Oct-08-09 06:15 PM |
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I don't appreciate that the country is considering crapping on you either. |
jtrockville |
Oct-09-09 02:03 PM |
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You're assuming the elections are honest. There aren't even paper trails in my state. n/t |
gkhouston |
Oct-08-09 06:33 PM |
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This is a great idea... |
cosmicone |
Oct-08-09 05:02 PM |
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I understand the strategy, I just hope you're right. |
kjackson227 |
Oct-08-09 05:25 PM |
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It is a cowardly, morally bankrupt idea. Please see Reply # 114. |
No Elephants |
Oct-09-09 01:20 PM |
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It is a cowardly, morally bankrupt idea. Please see Reply # 114. |
No Elephants |
Oct-09-09 01:20 PM |
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I feel exactly the opposite |
WyLoochka |
Oct-08-09 05:08 PM |
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and maybe it will make more Dems come out and vote... |
kjackson227 |
Oct-08-09 05:29 PM |
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Shoe on the other foot. |
hay rick |
Oct-08-09 06:35 PM |
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Wrong framing. The only reason you would have to accept expensive |
No Elephants |
Oct-09-09 01:26 PM |
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Addressing the argument, not the issue. |
hay rick |
Oct-09-09 03:48 PM |
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If they pass this, |
dflprincess |
Oct-08-09 04:03 PM |
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Is the Kucinich bill for this still alive? |
jwirr |
Oct-08-09 06:28 PM |
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F you Chuck! |
fascisthunter |
Oct-08-09 04:04 PM |
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The reason this is a bad idea is not only that a great many would be left behind... |
loudsue |
Oct-08-09 04:05 PM |
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Huh? It'll be federally funded. And people who want it will move out of their |
valerief |
Oct-08-09 04:08 PM |
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Really.What are you, a spolied child? With what money will they move? |
saracat |
Oct-08-09 04:13 PM |
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That's right. Let's let EVERYONE die instead. nt |
valerief |
Oct-08-09 04:15 PM |
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Now .Everyone should LIVE. Not just blue states.And there is NO reason for this. |
saracat |
Oct-08-09 04:27 PM |
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You're asking me? I guess because they want to syphon off the money for war |
valerief |
Oct-08-09 04:33 PM |
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Wtf? No one has to die if the Democrats in Washington, D.C. do their jobs. |
No Elephants |
Oct-09-09 01:16 PM |
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RE: The Jobs question |
MessiahRp |
Oct-08-09 09:18 PM |
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I'm all for states rights when it comes to guns, drugs, and education |
bluestateguy |
Oct-08-09 04:18 PM |
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Yeah, for that we should have no rights. |
valerief |
Oct-08-09 04:34 PM |
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our constitution does not give us that right unfortuately. |
joeycola |
Oct-08-09 04:53 PM |
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Yeah, too bad we can't pass amendments any more. The Constitution has those. nt |
valerief |
Oct-09-09 10:26 AM |
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wondering how people will sneak around the rules - as they always do - have fake CA addresses, etc |
tomm2thumbs |
Oct-08-09 04:18 PM |
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Excellent Idea!!!! |
CL455W4R |
Oct-08-09 04:38 PM |
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I think no state will opt out. |
safeinOhio |
Oct-08-09 04:37 PM |
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BINGO. And even the biggest corporate assholes will do the math and demand their state opt IN |
blm |
Oct-08-09 05:04 PM |
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yup yup - like all the folks who were gonna 'opt out' of Federal funds earlier this year |
tomm2thumbs |
Oct-08-09 05:13 PM |
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Agreed. I think this is a good idea. Let the Republicans running the little tiny states just try to |
w4rma |
Oct-08-09 05:43 PM |
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What kind of "public option" are we talking about? |
twitomy |
Oct-08-09 04:42 PM |
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No, No, No..... |
Swede Atlanta |
Oct-08-09 05:22 PM |
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I'm calling my Senator and telling him Public Option: or I will do everyting..... |
ElsewheresDaughter |
Oct-08-09 05:45 PM |
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I am putting a call in also today. |
joeycola |
Oct-09-09 07:10 AM |
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Schumer is the King of the Corporatist Senators. First Wall Street and now Big Insurance. |
bertman |
Oct-08-09 05:46 PM |
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These days, almost all of them seem to be, even once liberal Barney Frank. K Street |
No Elephants |
Oct-09-09 01:36 PM |
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Shouldn't it be up to the individual to opt out? |
GinaMaria |
Oct-08-09 05:52 PM |
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Schumer and his DLC buddies will do ANYTHING to dilute.... |
bvar22 |
Oct-08-09 06:22 PM |
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Who looks out for Red Stare poor!?! |
Baysponge |
Oct-08-09 06:39 PM |
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This is a very BAD idea |
varelse |
Oct-08-09 07:16 PM |
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That would create unavoidable political pressure for those states to "opt in". No? nt |
Bonobo |
Oct-08-09 08:55 PM |
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No. They won't need to opt in. They would have to take action to get out of it |
laughingliberal |
Oct-09-09 01:33 PM |
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If they don't like it, they can put an initative on the ballot |
depakid |
Oct-08-09 09:35 PM |
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You lived in a red country for 8 years. What could you do about it? Would you |
No Elephants |
Oct-09-09 01:32 PM |
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That would be OK as long as states get to opt out of the individual mandate as well. n/t |
Laelth |
Oct-08-09 08:07 PM |
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Why is it okay for people to keep dying and going bankrupt? |
No Elephants |
Oct-09-09 01:29 PM |
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the "political pressure" already exists |
spaten |
Oct-08-09 08:58 PM |
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Schumer's cop out, opt out! |
SandWalker1984 |
Oct-08-09 09:08 PM |
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Fair enough! Conservatives can have their private insurance if that is what they want. |
JDPriestly |
Oct-08-09 09:17 PM |
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How is that fair to people in red states who want a public option? |
No Elephants |
Oct-09-09 01:41 PM |
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As a Texan, |
turntxblue |
Oct-08-09 09:20 PM |
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Can we quarantine |
GodDamLiberal |
Oct-08-09 10:05 PM |
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Oh, that's such a helpful and "compassionate" solution. |
Tansy_Gold |
Oct-08-09 10:21 PM |
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Schumer attempts to sandbag Medicare for all. nt |
bemildred |
Oct-08-09 10:12 PM |
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Stop watering it down... losers |
dpbrown |
Oct-08-09 10:27 PM |
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We need the Option tied to Medicare rates or we won't get the siccess sooner or later. Really want |
MarjorieG |
Oct-08-09 11:10 PM |
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If that is the case, I'll just move. |
ingac70 |
Oct-09-09 02:42 AM |
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COP OUT! |
GeorgeGist |
Oct-09-09 05:24 AM |
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Pathetic and I completly disagree with this...nt |
and-justice-for-all |
Oct-09-09 06:15 AM |
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Horrible idea. |
Kermitt Gribble |
Oct-09-09 12:02 PM |
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Excellent. Freed from the need to pander to the ignorant red states... |
lumberjack_jeff |
Oct-09-09 12:04 PM |
#105 |
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Bad,BAD idea. It is enough that a human being can opt in or out. Why |
No Elephants |
Oct-09-09 12:26 PM |
#110 |
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Opt-In ??? Carper... |
slipslidingaway |
Oct-09-09 12:43 PM |
#117 |
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Opt-in is just fucking stupid. Opt-out has potential. |
BlooInBloo |
Oct-09-09 01:35 PM |
#133 |
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