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motocicleta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 08:12 PM
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50. I agree, and to do so means taxation
There is no substitute. Private philanthropy cannot make the difference for a society that chooses to not provide enough in tax revenue to pay for these items. I'm willing to pay more, if it isn't getting dumped in the war profiteering maw.
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  -what do we, as individuals and as society, owe those less fortunate? ulysses  Jan-28-07 05:45 PM   #0 
  - I think the principle thing is access and opportunity.  mondo joe   Jan-28-07 05:51 PM   #1 
  - fair enough and well said.  ulysses   Jan-28-07 05:52 PM   #2 
  - I agree, and to do so means taxation  motocicleta   Jan-28-07 08:12 PM   #50 
     - And I, in return, agree. Fair (progressive) taxation is called for.  mondo joe   Jan-28-07 08:15 PM   #51 
  - We owe those less fortunate as much as we can afford to give  TerdlowSmedley   Jan-28-07 05:53 PM   #3 
  - define "afford to"  ulysses   Jan-28-07 06:01 PM   #6 
     - That's what I wondered about that post too.  mondo joe   Jan-28-07 06:03 PM   #8 
  - To facilitate their pursuit of Happiness and Safety. Not entitlement..  orpupilofnature57   Jan-28-07 05:54 PM   #4 
  - what do you do about someone, as skygazer points out,  ulysses   Jan-28-07 06:11 PM   #16 
     - The daily struggle is just what I mean.  orpupilofnature57   Jan-28-07 07:56 PM   #42 
  - guaranteed minimum income  Cobalt Violet   Jan-28-07 05:58 PM   #5 
  - but who is "suited" and who not?  ulysses   Jan-28-07 06:03 PM   #9 
     - It would be for everyone regardless of ability to work or not.  Cobalt Violet   Jan-28-07 09:47 PM   #59 
  - Whatever they need.  rug   Jan-28-07 06:02 PM   #7 
  - but who decides what that is?  ulysses   Jan-28-07 06:05 PM   #11 
     - A better question is who decides what they don't need.  rug   Jan-28-07 06:23 PM   #21 
        - Here's a specific: the average Family Practice Physician salary is $142k.  mondo joe   Jan-28-07 06:29 PM   #24 
           - Unless that physician's education was financed completely without any public money,  rug   Jan-28-07 06:50 PM   #25 
              - And at that income level what do you think the highest possible tax level should be?  mondo joe   Jan-28-07 06:54 PM   #26 
              - I don't work for the Census Bureau or the GAO.  rug   Jan-28-07 07:04 PM   #27 
                 - I think the specifics are worth looking at. It's easy to say people should give  mondo joe   Jan-28-07 07:13 PM   #29 
                    - I agree with that.  rug   Jan-28-07 07:31 PM   #34 
                       - I don't think capitalism can define that, but I don't think that's what economic systems  mondo joe   Jan-28-07 07:41 PM   #35 
                          - There is no hypothetical threshold.  rug   Jan-28-07 08:03 PM   #46 
              - A couple things you should know  Horse with no Name   Jan-28-07 07:56 PM   #43 
                 - I don't think entertainers warrant such salaries, though their talent is much rarer than a physician...  rug   Jan-28-07 08:43 PM   #53 
                    - You are wrong.  Horse with no Name   Jan-28-07 09:27 PM   #56 
  - Good luck - real threads about poverty tend to drop like a rock  skygazer   Jan-28-07 06:04 PM   #10 
  - I posted as description of Seattle's 10 year plan to end homelessness and, as  mondo joe   Jan-28-07 06:07 PM   #13 
  - is the thread still live?  ulysses   Jan-28-07 06:09 PM   #15 
     - Yes, I would be interested in reading it too  skygazer   Jan-28-07 06:11 PM   #17 
        - Here you go. I'd love to hear what people think about it.  mondo joe   Jan-28-07 06:17 PM   #20 
           - Thanks - there are a couple of things that stand out to me  skygazer   Jan-28-07 06:26 PM   #22 
           - I guess I'm curious about employment and  ulysses   Jan-28-07 06:28 PM   #23 
  - bingo!  ulysses   Jan-28-07 06:07 PM   #14 
  - I don't know what to do, so I read the threads and think.  tnlefty   Jan-28-07 08:04 PM   #47 
  - "There but for the grace of God, go I"  hippiechick   Jan-28-07 06:06 PM   #12 
  - or have manipulated the meaning behind the phrase to mean:  salin   Jan-28-07 06:13 PM   #18 
  - yikes.  ulysses   Jan-28-07 06:15 PM   #19 
  - Man I can't stand organized religion  Raydawg1234   Jan-28-07 07:46 PM   #39 
  - Aw, man ... I'd have a really hard time with those folks ...  hippiechick   Jan-28-07 07:59 PM   #44 
     - per the discussion described... "hoosier  salin   Jan-28-07 08:10 PM   #49 
  - I agree  nam78_two   Jan-28-07 07:11 PM   #28 
  - It's a phrase I've used a few times ...  JustABozoOnThisBus   Jan-28-07 08:43 PM   #52 
  - The relationship is with the totality  sweetheart   Jan-28-07 07:14 PM   #30 
  - "Am I my brother's keeper?"  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jan-28-07 07:22 PM   #31 
  - that is what I was trying to say  mdmc   Jan-28-07 08:06 PM   #48 
  - true enough.  ulysses   Jan-29-07 04:28 PM   #70 
  - Ulysses, I am so struck by the abstract responses in this thread.  mondo joe   Jan-28-07 07:28 PM   #32 
  - it *is* a difficult issue  ulysses   Jan-28-07 07:43 PM   #37 
  - Infrastructure.  LWolf   Jan-28-07 07:30 PM   #33 
  - how to make education more meaningful?  ulysses   Jan-29-07 04:21 PM   #64 
     - Educate them the way they really learn.  LWolf   Jan-29-07 08:03 PM   #77 
  - compassion  omega minimo   Jan-28-07 07:43 PM   #36 
  - We, being we the country, owe everyone a place to live, food to eat  JerseygirlCT   Jan-28-07 07:46 PM   #38 
  - Everyone should have equal access to a post-secondary education  Horse with no Name   Jan-28-07 07:50 PM   #40 
  - Whatever we can do to help them is what we owe.  Zhade   Jan-28-07 07:54 PM   #41 
  - depends  mdmc   Jan-28-07 08:02 PM   #45 
  - It seems to me that if you ask the question:  kanrok   Jan-28-07 08:48 PM   #54 
  - It's about practicing what you preach  sandnsea   Jan-28-07 08:55 PM   #55 
  - your take on Edwards' house may not be about poverty  ulysses   Jan-29-07 04:25 PM   #69 
     - Labor exploitation causes poverty  sandnsea   Jan-29-07 05:23 PM   #71 
        - and how is Edwards exploiting labor?  ulysses   Jan-29-07 06:38 PM   #72 
           - The new material was all made in union shops?  sandnsea   Jan-29-07 07:19 PM   #74 
  - Specifically: education, employment, food, clothing, shelter, safety & health care  Nevernose   Jan-28-07 09:34 PM   #57 
  - It's a good question  bonito   Jan-28-07 09:40 PM   #58 
  - If we really understand ourselves then  Egalitarian   Jan-28-07 10:22 PM   #60 
  - Fewer rich people...  Everybody   Jan-29-07 05:59 AM   #61 
  - This is a very  H2O Man   Jan-29-07 06:35 AM   #62 
  - Great post, H2O Man.  cat_girl25   Jan-29-07 04:25 PM   #68 
  - How can you solve poverty if a "middle" class exists?  NoMoreMyths   Jan-29-07 06:37 AM   #63 
  - semantics.  ulysses   Jan-29-07 04:22 PM   #66 
  - If it is in fact true that a decent standard of living cannot be sustained (dubious)  Crandor   Jan-29-07 07:54 PM   #75 
  - nothing, really.  QuestionAll   Jan-29-07 04:22 PM   #65 
  - nothing, check.  ulysses   Jan-29-07 04:23 PM   #67 
  - We give 'em enough fish to get by on...  cynatnite   Jan-29-07 06:43 PM   #73 
  - people have vocalized what is 'needed' pretty well, but there  Bluerthanblue   Jan-29-07 08:02 PM   #76 
  - Halliburton and the rest of the 1% reaping at 300% !!!  orpupilofnature57   Jan-30-07 05:22 AM   #78 
  - A decent wage for their labor, with no huge tax breaks for business.  B Calm   Jan-30-07 05:34 AM   #79 
 

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