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Response to Reply #183
186. Actually
The crux of my argument is that large corporations, in full cooperation with the Federal government, are destroying the average American worker and small businessman.
Since 1981 this country has devolved into state monopoly capitalism, which is a brutal system for those without capital.

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  -Were all slaves now Cyrano  Oct-06-09 11:32 AM   #0 
  - I think it's time Americans co-oped their country. nt  valerief   Oct-06-09 11:34 AM   #1 
  - That's what Jim Morrison said.  TexasObserver   Oct-06-09 11:38 AM   #2 
  - dog, this is such bullshit.  cali   Oct-06-09 11:40 AM   #3 
  - Nice rant, Cali. Now, how about making a case regarding the issues I posted?  Cyrano   Oct-06-09 11:48 AM   #7 
  - you posted no facts. you posted opinion.  cali   Oct-06-09 11:51 AM   #9 
     - Oh, okay.  Cyrano   Oct-06-09 12:51 PM   #25 
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        - We know you haven't or you would not  CalvinandHobbes   Oct-07-09 03:57 AM   #159 
  - Well said.  Deja Q   Oct-06-09 11:52 AM   #10 
  - See post #25 above.  Cyrano   Oct-06-09 01:32 PM   #33 
  - Agreed n/t  tammywammy   Oct-06-09 12:02 PM   #13 
  - See post #25 above.  Cyrano   Oct-06-09 01:33 PM   #34 
     - See post #32 n/t  tammywammy   Oct-06-09 01:34 PM   #36 
        - See post # 37. -- Your turn.  Cyrano   Oct-06-09 01:43 PM   #40 
           - see post #347. nt  Javaman   Oct-06-09 02:17 PM   #72 
  - Little people enslavment here in the US is much better  JNelson6563   Oct-06-09 04:26 PM   #140 
  - Just because it's a nicer slavery than some other forms does not mean it is not slavery nt  laughingliberal   Oct-07-09 10:28 AM   #171 
  - The only thing I disagree with in your post is the word "reluctantly"  Phoebe Loosinhouse   Oct-06-09 11:41 AM   #4 
  - On second thought, serf is more accurate than slave  Phoebe Loosinhouse   Oct-06-09 12:02 PM   #12 
  - I find this kind of broad-brush self-indulgence embarrassing.  Brickbat   Oct-06-09 11:42 AM   #5 
  - oh, but you're just in denial. you're identifying with the slaveholders. You're too  cali   Oct-06-09 11:44 AM   #6 
  - Slaves  Pharlo   Oct-06-09 11:51 AM   #8 
  - oh so we're worse of than actual real slaves  cali   Oct-06-09 11:52 AM   #11 
  - What a load of crap  kctim   Oct-06-09 12:06 PM   #14 
  - do you truly believe there is a true 'choice' in those things you listed?  Whisp   Oct-06-09 12:17 PM   #16 
  - Every one of them was a choice I made  kctim   Oct-06-09 12:42 PM   #21 
     - are you sure?  Whisp   Oct-06-09 12:47 PM   #23 
     - Am I sure? Without a doubt  kctim   Oct-06-09 01:25 PM   #31 
        - Self reliance is important, yet you are not acknowledging how available choices are being reduced,  omega minimo   Oct-06-09 02:29 PM   #78 
        - It's only rigged if you play by their rules  kctim   Oct-06-09 03:41 PM   #121 
           - You choose to look at yourself and not the bigger picture. Yet the noose tightens.  omega minimo   Oct-06-09 03:43 PM   #122 
              - For good reason  kctim   Oct-06-09 03:59 PM   #128 
                 - No man is an island.  omega minimo   Oct-06-09 04:04 PM   #130 
        - A bank/credit card can, out of the blue and without notice,  Whisp   Oct-06-09 04:01 PM   #129 
           - And I have the freedom to not use credit cards n/t  tammywammy   Oct-06-09 07:33 PM   #155 
           - that must be nice for you.  Whisp   Oct-06-09 08:22 PM   #156 
              - Yes, SOME people need credit cards for medical bills  tammywammy   Oct-06-09 08:53 PM   #157 
           - They can't if you choose not to have a credit card.  kctim   Oct-07-09 08:15 AM   #165 
     - You must be highly skilled in a very specialized field.  Sinti   Oct-06-09 04:13 PM   #135 
        - Nope.  kctim   Oct-07-09 08:19 AM   #166 
  - we don't have much of a choice  fascisthunter   Oct-06-09 12:17 PM   #17 
  - +1  Echo In Light   Oct-06-09 12:48 PM   #24 
  - Neither banks nor health insurance are mandatory  kctim   Oct-06-09 12:55 PM   #28 
  - oh really... try getting by without either  fascisthunter   Oct-06-09 03:30 PM   #114 
     - I have  kctim   Oct-06-09 03:51 PM   #125 
        - Your point of view is warped  fascisthunter   Oct-06-09 04:20 PM   #138 
        - Way over your head, huh?  kctim   Oct-07-09 09:04 AM   #167 
           - Hi, kctim: I've read your posts and I'm not really sure  Cyrano   Oct-07-09 10:23 AM   #170 
              - I'm touched  kctim   Oct-07-09 11:33 AM   #176 
                 - I think you have been making sense  hfojvt   Oct-07-09 12:02 PM   #179 
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  - neither banks nor health insurance are mandatory  hfojvt   Oct-06-09 02:25 PM   #76 
  - I don't think "choice" = "freedom". In one sense, there's always "choice," even  Hannah Bell   Oct-06-09 03:03 PM   #109 
  - I can see that point  kctim   Oct-06-09 04:09 PM   #134 
     - "We have the power to shape what choices we will have as long as those choices are realistic."  Hannah Bell   Oct-07-09 03:26 AM   #158 
        - Can he not choose to lead the rebellion?  kctim   Oct-07-09 09:39 AM   #168 
        - Yes, he is very different from us  Nederland   Oct-07-09 02:43 PM   #185 
  - The industries you mention are so anti-competitive that it does not matter  DireStrike   Oct-06-09 06:13 PM   #149 
  - Excellent read on the subject:  Echo In Light   Oct-06-09 12:12 PM   #15 
  - I agree with an upthread...serfdom is more appropriate or perhaps permanently indentured  TheKentuckian   Oct-06-09 12:20 PM   #18 
  - oh fucking please  cali   Oct-06-09 12:23 PM   #19 
     - For now perhaps but the gap grows daily while the avenues for sustained growth  TheKentuckian   Oct-06-09 01:00 PM   #29 
        - Tell it to folks in my town.  cali   Oct-06-09 01:51 PM   #45 
           - Good read but only tenously addressing my thoughts anyway. (nt)  TheKentuckian   Oct-06-09 02:02 PM   #62 
              - I think it illustrates that you can buck the system. that people  cali   Oct-06-09 02:04 PM   #64 
                 - I understand that aspect but ideologically it makes a lot more sense  TheKentuckian   Oct-06-09 02:47 PM   #99 
                    - c'mon. a bunch of baby boomers chatting about revol;ution on the internet  cali   Oct-06-09 02:54 PM   #104 
                       - Blathering and doing aren't mutually exclusive  TheKentuckian   Oct-06-09 03:00 PM   #108 
  - This isn't discussed on DU, perhaps because it relates to FDR.  Trillo   Oct-06-09 12:27 PM   #20 
  - Edward Mandell House, a confidant of Woodrow Willson, is said to have told him this  Trillo   Oct-06-09 04:07 PM   #133 
     - PIGNUS ... We're all Pignorated Now? Or, WTF is the "ancient system of pledging"?  Trillo   Oct-06-09 04:27 PM   #141 
     - A modern variant of "register their biological property"  Trillo   Oct-06-09 04:38 PM   #145 
     - This is so exotic it defies understanding  DireStrike   Oct-06-09 06:23 PM   #151 
        - I'm not following you  Trillo   Oct-07-09 04:37 AM   #160 
        - Found the source of the quote, said to be from Woodrow Wilson's papers  Trillo   Oct-07-09 04:58 AM   #162 
  - nu uh. nt  seabeyond   Oct-06-09 12:44 PM   #22 
  - Well we are definately not free...  RyboSlybo   Oct-06-09 12:53 PM   #26 
  - I am not a slave  BoneDaddy   Oct-06-09 12:54 PM   #27 
  - But are you Free?  RyboSlybo   Oct-06-09 01:08 PM   #30 
     - tell me your definition of free. I'm curious.  cali   Oct-06-09 01:33 PM   #35 
     - what do you see yourself not free of...actually curious?  AuntPatsy   Oct-06-09 01:43 PM   #39 
     - Well maybe my definition is way off...  RyboSlybo   Oct-06-09 01:51 PM   #46 
        - i dont see responsiblity and ethical choices as restrictive. i would have that life  seabeyond   Oct-06-09 01:55 PM   #50 
           - That is a good point...  RyboSlybo   Oct-06-09 02:00 PM   #57 
           - you are free to do it. what you are looking for is no consequences to choice  seabeyond   Oct-06-09 02:09 PM   #69 
              - I guess I just need a better grasp of what "Freedom" really means...  RyboSlybo   Oct-06-09 03:58 PM   #127 
                 - i agree with you. there are a lot of changes to be made. i dont like all the laws  seabeyond   Oct-06-09 04:18 PM   #137 
                    - "I dig the way you do business Jackie!"  RyboSlybo   Oct-06-09 04:28 PM   #142 
           - That is a good point...  RyboSlybo   Oct-06-09 02:00 PM   #58 
     - By my definition  BoneDaddy   Oct-06-09 01:49 PM   #43 
     - ya huh. nt  seabeyond   Oct-06-09 01:52 PM   #48 
  - What bullshit  Nederland   Oct-06-09 01:45 PM   #41 
  - I love people like this  BoneDaddy   Oct-06-09 01:50 PM   #44 
  - its well known that american education has suffered  Whisp   Oct-06-09 01:53 PM   #49 
     - Free is a state of mind  BoneDaddy   Oct-06-09 01:56 PM   #51 
     - Especially when the society's dominant institutions have a substantial role in promoting the idea  Echo In Light   Oct-06-09 01:58 PM   #54 
     - I love it  omega minimo   Oct-06-09 02:17 PM   #71 
     - yeah? Well my education is life long which is why I know that  cali   Oct-06-09 02:02 PM   #61 
     - I'll give you the same respect you have given others here..  Whisp   Oct-06-09 02:07 PM   #67 
     - you're the one braying on callously and ignorantly  cali   Oct-06-09 02:16 PM   #70 
     - Whisp is simply pointing out, it's not All About You, cali  omega minimo   Oct-06-09 02:24 PM   #75 
        - never said anything that a reasonable person could construe  cali   Oct-06-09 02:30 PM   #83 
           - Even now, I would have answered your top line to continue an actual discussion  omega minimo   Oct-06-09 02:37 PM   #90 
     - cali may be abrasive, but she's not a jackass. this OP is embarrassing hyperbole.  dionysus   Oct-06-09 03:32 PM   #119 
     - ...  RetroLounge   Oct-07-09 02:37 PM   #184 
     - I tend to agree  BoneDaddy   Oct-06-09 07:06 PM   #153 
     - well bullshit. again i gotta say. you chose to learn or not. think or not. school system does  seabeyond   Oct-06-09 02:33 PM   #87 
     - Except you, of course.  Codeine   Oct-06-09 02:36 PM   #89 
     - Odd that your simple and true statement  omega minimo   Oct-06-09 03:54 PM   #126 
  - " ... they are the result of people working." And when there are no jobs to be had???  Cyrano   Oct-06-09 01:52 PM   #47 
  - what are you talking about?  Whisp   Oct-06-09 01:58 PM   #53 
  - Grow your own food, build your own shelter, make your own clothes  Nederland   Oct-06-09 02:00 PM   #59 
  - We are talking about us. Comparing our place in the economy to those that control it.  TheKentuckian   Oct-06-09 02:01 PM   #60 
     - You grant them control  Nederland   Oct-06-09 02:06 PM   #66 
        - You have put up a false choice here.  TheKentuckian   Oct-06-09 02:29 PM   #80 
           - You can move beyond the stone age  Nederland   Oct-06-09 02:40 PM   #95 
              - What in God's name indicates that I advocate not working?  TheKentuckian   Oct-06-09 04:04 PM   #131 
                 - I'm sure you do work  Nederland   Oct-06-09 04:38 PM   #146 
  - 'You're free" "bitch to the God of your choice" on your cardboard sign, at your freeway offramp  omega minimo   Oct-06-09 01:59 PM   #56 
  - You're not accounting for unemployment  treestar   Oct-06-09 02:29 PM   #79 
  - Sure I am, read post #61  Nederland   Oct-06-09 02:43 PM   #98 
  - God does not set the minimum wage  SOS   Oct-07-09 11:20 AM   #174 
     - Response  Nederland   Oct-07-09 02:30 PM   #183 
        - Actually  SOS   Oct-07-09 07:38 PM   #186 
           - Gee  Nederland   Oct-07-09 08:13 PM   #187 
  - Oh, it comes up.  omega minimo   Oct-06-09 01:46 PM   #42 
  - K&R  Orwellian_Ghost   Oct-06-09 01:58 PM   #55 
  - Go visit an old plantation in Dixie  Throd   Oct-06-09 02:02 PM   #63 
  - best comment in the thread. +1 and all that.  cali   Oct-06-09 02:05 PM   #65 
  - Heh. Right on.  Brickbat   Oct-06-09 02:38 PM   #91 
  - "Swing loooooow, sweeet chaaaa-aariot,  Codeine   Oct-06-09 02:38 PM   #92 
     - No shit  tammywammy   Oct-06-09 02:41 PM   #97 
     - you actually made me laugh with that comment.  cali   Oct-06-09 02:47 PM   #100 
     - No, you just left your tinfoil at home.  closeupready   Oct-06-09 03:44 PM   #123 
     - !  redqueen   Oct-07-09 11:42 AM   #177 
  - Freaks in a freak show  The2ndWheel   Oct-06-09 02:30 PM   #81 
  - Two kinds of slave:  blindpig   Oct-06-09 02:30 PM   #82 
  - *delete*  bvar22   Oct-06-09 02:30 PM   #84 
  - American Citizens, bow before your Masters:  ShortnFiery   Oct-06-09 02:40 PM   #94 
  - "I owe my soul to the Company Store."  bvar22   Oct-06-09 02:41 PM   #96 
  - No we aren't. I'm not.  closeupready   Oct-06-09 02:56 PM   #107 
  - And also, I think equating the current American reality with slavery diminishes real slavery.  closeupready   Oct-06-09 03:15 PM   #110 
  - Yes it totally is slavery.  Codeine   Oct-06-09 03:21 PM   #111 
     - Thank you. Now we see  omega minimo   Oct-06-09 03:28 PM   #112 
     - perhaps you should consider speaking for yourself  cali   Oct-06-09 03:31 PM   #116 
        - perhaps you should consider  omega minimo   Oct-06-09 03:41 PM   #120 
        - I have an army? A mantra?!  Codeine   Oct-06-09 03:46 PM   #124 
        - Maybe it's the Royal WE?  MilesColtrane   Oct-07-09 09:43 AM   #169 
     - Um, okay.  closeupready   Oct-06-09 03:29 PM   #113 
     - you forgot the skull and bones & bildebergers. rookie.  dionysus   Oct-06-09 03:31 PM   #117 
        - Dammit! I suck at this! nt  Codeine   Oct-06-09 03:32 PM   #118 
  - holy hyperbole batman!!  dionysus   Oct-06-09 03:31 PM   #115 
  - Noam Chomsky: Wage Slavery = Chattle Slavery  Orwellian_Ghost   Oct-06-09 04:07 PM   #132 
  - I am not a slave  Libertas1776   Oct-06-09 04:17 PM   #136 
  - since the OP says we are all slaves "now" -- a question: when weren't we slaves  onenote   Oct-06-09 04:24 PM   #139 
  - Sorry Cyrano  Trillo   Oct-06-09 04:30 PM   #143 
  - Show me the receipt...  Lagomorph   Oct-06-09 04:33 PM   #144 
  - Slaves is the wrong word.  Sinti   Oct-06-09 05:45 PM   #147 
  - Finally ..  sendero   Oct-06-09 06:09 PM   #148 
  - Thank you, Sinti. Your response is so incredibly intelligent that further  Cyrano   Oct-06-09 06:45 PM   #152 
  - I am in much agreement with what you have said.  olegramps   Oct-07-09 06:16 AM   #163 
  - Careful, you're meddling  The2ndWheel   Oct-07-09 10:57 AM   #173 
  - I wish I could, but I can't ....  gleaner   Oct-06-09 06:17 PM   #150 
  - Welcome to the New World Plantation  Old Hob   Oct-06-09 07:17 PM   #154 
  - Not slaves. Debtors. Or serfs.  Orsino   Oct-07-09 04:43 AM   #161 
  - The only question that remains:  blindpig   Oct-07-09 08:13 AM   #164 
  - hackneyed canned content free rhetoric  cali   Oct-07-09 11:49 AM   #178 
     - In the field, sugar,  blindpig   Oct-07-09 12:45 PM   #180 
        - No, Malcolm X was right on many things. You playing Malcolm X?  cali   Oct-07-09 01:09 PM   #181 
           - In that case  blindpig   Oct-07-09 01:12 PM   #182 
  - Gotta Serve Somebody  bridgit   Oct-07-09 10:37 AM   #172 
  - Complete and utter hyperbole considering that there are slaves on this planet...  cynatnite   Oct-07-09 08:16 PM   #188 
  - We're not slaves...we just keep voting in governments that are not responsive  barb162   Oct-07-09 08:44 PM   #189 
 

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