Ozymanithrax
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Tue Oct-06-09 03:44 PM
Response to Reply #43 |
| 95. I was serving on an Air Craft Carrier when Saigon fell. |
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But such things follow a script. I just applied what happened after Saigon fell, and after the Soviets left Afghanistan.
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| -All right, assume for a moment that President Obama announced a unilateral pullout from Afghanistan |
SidneyCarton |
Oct-06-09 09:59 AM |
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Oh, how about we let the NATIVES settle their differences. It's not like the terrain is EDEN. |
ShortnFiery |
Oct-06-09 10:04 AM |
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And the fact that the Taliban hosted Al Qaeda? |
SidneyCarton |
Oct-06-09 10:07 AM |
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ya think in any way the west can help stabilize Pakistan from |
mdmc |
Oct-06-09 10:10 AM |
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Kalashnikovs = AK-47's |
SidneyCarton |
Oct-06-09 10:12 AM |
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thanks for the reply |
mdmc |
Oct-06-09 11:57 AM |
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And if Saudis, Pakistani ISI, & Cheney henchmen decide we need a good scaring the bejeebus out of us |
HamdenRice |
Oct-06-09 10:08 AM |
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I want the U.S out of Afghanistan but it's beyond ignorant to claim |
cali |
Oct-06-09 10:14 AM |
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Isn't it? |
proteus_lives |
Oct-06-09 12:41 PM |
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Sure because hell, those Friday night stonings and appendage chopping events rival the Super Bowl |
LynneSin |
Oct-06-09 10:15 AM |
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Stonings, hand chopping and beheading happen every week in Saudi Arabia |
SOS |
Oct-06-09 12:16 PM |
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Bingo. |
Toasterlad |
Oct-07-09 01:09 PM |
#107 |
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My favorite delusional armchair general. |
cliffordu |
Oct-06-09 10:51 AM |
#66 |
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we are not the world's police. |
spanone |
Oct-06-09 10:05 AM |
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Fair enough, but the world also has no police force. |
SidneyCarton |
Oct-06-09 10:08 AM |
#7 |
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stay out |
spanone |
Oct-06-09 10:12 AM |
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We stay gone? The chance to do anything positive was squandered by Bush (surprise) |
thunder rising |
Oct-06-09 10:16 AM |
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Nothing truly positive can be gleaned by occupying a nation that will NEVER surrender. |
ShortnFiery |
Oct-06-09 10:51 AM |
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We are, and have been since 1945 |
Odin2005 |
Oct-06-09 04:01 PM |
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Here: |
MNDemNY |
Oct-06-09 10:07 AM |
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yup |
mdmc |
Oct-06-09 10:12 AM |
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+1 |
LynneSin |
Oct-06-09 10:18 AM |
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So? Not our problem. It is their society. They like it. |
thunder rising |
Oct-06-09 10:26 AM |
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Well the men like it.... |
LynneSin |
Oct-06-09 10:41 AM |
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The question is whether any of this can be improved by intervention. |
JackRiddler |
Oct-06-09 12:08 PM |
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I've believed that Bush's policy over the 6 years we've been there pretty much sucked |
LynneSin |
Oct-06-09 12:58 PM |
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There has never been "normalcy" in that country, therefore, we cannot bring "normalcy" back. |
berni_mccoy |
Oct-06-09 10:54 AM |
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allow me to retort |
mdmc |
Oct-06-09 10:07 AM |
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Do this again? Oh I don't know - I think we've got the *box cutters* angle covered. |
ShortnFiery |
Oct-06-09 10:10 AM |
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This assumes that history repeats itself exactly. |
SidneyCarton |
Oct-06-09 10:15 AM |
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Define occupation, because it's not simple. |
JackRiddler |
Oct-06-09 12:35 PM |
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Good points, I see what you're saying. |
SidneyCarton |
Oct-06-09 12:46 PM |
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got the *box cutters* angle covered ... good ....very good |
thunder rising |
Oct-06-09 10:23 AM |
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Thank you for the answers, they sound like a realistic assessment to me. |
SidneyCarton |
Oct-06-09 10:11 AM |
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my pleasure |
mdmc |
Oct-06-09 10:57 AM |
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I don't think you'll get too many of us VN Vets |
madokie |
Oct-06-09 10:09 AM |
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Wow! I know many Vietnam vets who realized that they were over there FOR NOTHING. |
ShortnFiery |
Oct-06-09 10:13 AM |
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I knew that within a few days of stepping in country |
madokie |
Oct-06-09 10:21 AM |
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Karzai is the Bush anolog in Afghanistan; stolen elections and all |
thunder rising |
Oct-06-09 10:09 AM |
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UNOCAL Karzai will leave when we do. Promise |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-06-09 10:11 AM |
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The "Falling Dominoes" scenario...again. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Oct-06-09 10:12 AM |
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I didn't invoke the falling domino theory. |
SidneyCarton |
Oct-06-09 10:18 AM |
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Same theory, different bogeyman. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Oct-06-09 10:34 AM |
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Some excellent suggestions in that article. Thanks for posting. |
SidneyCarton |
Oct-06-09 10:36 AM |
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Aren't we running a risk by being in Afghanistan? |
cali |
Oct-06-09 10:12 AM |
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True enough. |
SidneyCarton |
Oct-06-09 10:22 AM |
#33 |
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The pullout could be done by having a garage sale of all the |
Obamanaut |
Oct-06-09 10:13 AM |
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Then how are our beloved Defense Contractors going to spend FY 2010's = 515 Billion. |
ShortnFiery |
Oct-06-09 10:25 AM |
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And should there be a heap of dead Americans, or a pile of smoking rubble in the future |
SidneyCarton |
Oct-06-09 10:26 AM |
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I googlled 'us military bases worldwide' and picked this link at |
Obamanaut |
Oct-06-09 11:35 AM |
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Didn't Bush try to shut down bases |
tammywammy |
Oct-06-09 12:16 PM |
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I believe the OP was along the line of conjecture, so this is what |
Obamanaut |
Oct-06-09 12:50 PM |
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So are you arguing to stay there? |
Stinky The Clown |
Oct-06-09 10:15 AM |
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Not necessarily, I am considering the situation and gathering feedback. |
SidneyCarton |
Oct-06-09 10:31 AM |
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What we were doing on 09-10-01 ... without Iraq harrassment |
thunder rising |
Oct-06-09 10:46 AM |
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Karzai would escape with us... |
Ozymanithrax |
Oct-06-09 10:15 AM |
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You've done this before haven't you? |
SidneyCarton |
Oct-06-09 10:32 AM |
#43 |
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I was serving on an Air Craft Carrier when Saigon fell. |
Ozymanithrax |
Oct-06-09 03:44 PM |
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Sec Def Robert Gates: |
Subdivisions |
Oct-06-09 10:17 AM |
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Hence the question was hypothetical. |
SidneyCarton |
Oct-06-09 10:32 AM |
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OMG! It would be SO TRAGIC if we don't give Afghani's US style democracy! |
Romulox |
Oct-06-09 10:21 AM |
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Did I mention tragedy. |
SidneyCarton |
Oct-06-09 10:34 AM |
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No, but I saw your upper lip begin to tremble a bit while you were talking |
Romulox |
Oct-06-09 10:36 AM |
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"I read it. It was dumb." |
SidneyCarton |
Oct-06-09 10:37 AM |
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I don't think you understand what that phrase means. |
Romulox |
Oct-06-09 10:39 AM |
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I forgot the "sarcasm" smilie. n/t |
SidneyCarton |
Oct-06-09 10:40 AM |
#54 |
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Again, you might want to consult a dictionary |
Romulox |
Oct-06-09 10:44 AM |
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Responsibility for the Afghanistan 'security' effort needs to be given to a regional organization |
bigtree |
Oct-06-09 10:21 AM |
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What's wrong with PERMITTING the people themselves sort-out the rule of their own NATIVE land? eom |
ShortnFiery |
Oct-06-09 10:27 AM |
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It's the modern version of "White man's burden" that prevents that. nt |
Romulox |
Oct-06-09 10:28 AM |
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I would assume that Karzai isn't willing |
bigtree |
Oct-06-09 10:32 AM |
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"all those nations"" WTF ... their numbers are dwindling fast. |
ShortnFiery |
Oct-06-09 10:47 AM |
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as I said |
bigtree |
Oct-06-09 11:10 AM |
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Excellent points, thanks for sharing them. |
SidneyCarton |
Oct-06-09 10:38 AM |
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Too funny! Most SANE nations don't want any part of "taming the un-tamable." |
ShortnFiery |
Oct-06-09 10:49 AM |
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those consequences are largely our making-- the results of our foreign policy... |
mike_c |
Oct-06-09 10:26 AM |
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Perhaps we should pull our military out of ALL foreign countries. |
RoccoR5955 |
Oct-06-09 10:27 AM |
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Yup... over 700 bases.... |
Bigmack |
Oct-06-09 10:49 AM |
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And THERE you go. |
RoccoR5955 |
Oct-06-09 11:27 AM |
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I'm in favor of shutting down, according to the source linked below, |
Obamanaut |
Oct-06-09 02:40 PM |
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That 706 billion is Medicare for each and every person |
RoccoR5955 |
Oct-06-09 07:14 PM |
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The Entire Afghanistan Situation WAS PLANNED AND IMPLEMENTED BY BUSH NEOCONS ... get it? |
thunder rising |
Oct-06-09 10:37 AM |
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'Our Man in Armani', knowing what's good for him, resigns the Presidency and... |
MilesColtrane |
Oct-06-09 10:40 AM |
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So creepy it might be true. |
SidneyCarton |
Oct-06-09 10:42 AM |
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the Pakistan military largely ran the Taliban and whether fundamentalists in the hinterlands are |
yurbud |
Oct-06-09 10:44 AM |
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We are not the WORLD POLICE. |
undeterred |
Oct-06-09 10:50 AM |
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People dying doesn't bother us as long as we aren't there |
stray cat |
Oct-06-09 11:17 AM |
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What's going to happen? |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Oct-06-09 11:59 AM |
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The Taliban supremacy was not homegrown. It was due to outside influences. |
Democracyinkind |
Oct-06-09 12:00 PM |
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We can thank Brzninski (or however that twisted fuck spells it). |
JVS |
Oct-06-09 01:16 PM |
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I "thank" Far West Ltd. and Dilligence for our Afghanistan adventure for the most part. |
Democracyinkind |
Oct-06-09 04:41 PM |
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Not our problem. |
harun |
Oct-06-09 12:09 PM |
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It wasn't our problem on Sept. 10th 2001 either. |
SidneyCarton |
Oct-06-09 12:47 PM |
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I don't have the answer. |
moondust |
Oct-06-09 12:33 PM |
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Behold the sound of me not giving a fuck. |
JVS |
Oct-06-09 01:00 PM |
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The present Taliban LOATHE al Quaeda and have no desires to go to Pakistan if we are NOT |
ShortnFiery |
Oct-06-09 02:11 PM |
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Good point! |
mvd |
Oct-06-09 02:42 PM |
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Proof? I don't deny the assertion but I hear the opposite |
TheKentuckian |
Oct-06-09 03:48 PM |
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Heh |
Mixopterus |
Oct-06-09 02:49 PM |
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Give Me One Thing We Can Actually Accomplish In Afghanistan, And I'll Be On Board With Sticking |
Toasterlad |
Oct-06-09 03:31 PM |
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I think we can destroy in semblance of an organized terror network |
TheKentuckian |
Oct-06-09 03:50 PM |
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We accomplish killing a lot of people who otherwise... |
Ozymanithrax |
Oct-06-09 03:51 PM |
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Middle East Strategy |
oldlib |
Oct-06-09 03:35 PM |
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The rampant stupid isolationism in this thread is nauseating. |
Odin2005 |
Oct-06-09 03:56 PM |
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It's an American tradition. |
SidneyCarton |
Oct-06-09 04:04 PM |
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So, we should bomb and invade away, I guess |
PVnRT |
Oct-07-09 01:23 PM |
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Wait one fucking minute.... |
Bigmack |
Oct-06-09 06:25 PM |
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It's a nice change from the rampant stupid warmongering. |
rug |
Oct-06-09 06:54 PM |
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"Isolationism" |
PVnRT |
Oct-07-09 01:18 PM |
#108 |
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before you jump down someone's throat, you should read the other comments on the thread. |
SidneyCarton |
Oct-07-09 03:52 PM |
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Yeah, let's take another crack at Somalia! |
Ignis |
Oct-07-09 01:29 PM |
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The Afghan war should be fought with spies, not soldiers. |
DireStrike |
Oct-06-09 07:00 PM |
#105 |
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With war, there is only one question to ask yourself |
Bluenorthwest |
Oct-07-09 01:31 PM |
#111 |
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