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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 11:27 AM
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71. And THERE you go.
If we set up those kinds of public works projects, once again WE THE PEOPLE, could have better infrastructure, and more of it too! I look at the buildings here in NY that were built during the WPA era, and I can tell you that they were built by artisans, not construction workers. They have much more class and are so much more appealing than the buildings that go up today. Yeah, they may take longer to build, but if we didn't have to support the Military-Industrial Complex, we would have the money to support this. Not only these sort of projects, but green infrastructure could be created as well.
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  -All right, assume for a moment that President Obama announced a unilateral pullout from Afghanistan SidneyCarton  Oct-06-09 09:59 AM   #0 
  - Oh, how about we let the NATIVES settle their differences. It's not like the terrain is EDEN.  ShortnFiery   Oct-06-09 10:04 AM   #1 
  - And the fact that the Taliban hosted Al Qaeda?  SidneyCarton   Oct-06-09 10:07 AM   #4 
  - ya think in any way the west can help stabilize Pakistan from  mdmc   Oct-06-09 10:10 AM   #11 
     - Kalashnikovs = AK-47's  SidneyCarton   Oct-06-09 10:12 AM   #18 
        - thanks for the reply  mdmc   Oct-06-09 11:57 AM   #73 
  - And if Saudis, Pakistani ISI, & Cheney henchmen decide we need a good scaring the bejeebus out of us  HamdenRice   Oct-06-09 10:08 AM   #6 
  - I want the U.S out of Afghanistan but it's beyond ignorant to claim  cali   Oct-06-09 10:14 AM   #21 
  - Isn't it?  proteus_lives   Oct-06-09 12:41 PM   #82 
  - Sure because hell, those Friday night stonings and appendage chopping events rival the Super Bowl  LynneSin   Oct-06-09 10:15 AM   #25 
  - Stonings, hand chopping and beheading happen every week in Saudi Arabia  SOS   Oct-06-09 12:16 PM   #79 
     - Bingo.  Toasterlad   Oct-07-09 01:09 PM   #107 
  - My favorite delusional armchair general.  cliffordu   Oct-06-09 10:51 AM   #66 
  - we are not the world's police.  spanone   Oct-06-09 10:05 AM   #2 
  - Fair enough, but the world also has no police force.  SidneyCarton   Oct-06-09 10:08 AM   #7 
  - stay out  spanone   Oct-06-09 10:12 AM   #16 
  - We stay gone? The chance to do anything positive was squandered by Bush (surprise)  thunder rising   Oct-06-09 10:16 AM   #26 
     - Nothing truly positive can be gleaned by occupying a nation that will NEVER surrender.  ShortnFiery   Oct-06-09 10:51 AM   #65 
  - We are, and have been since 1945  Odin2005   Oct-06-09 04:01 PM   #100 
  - Here:  MNDemNY   Oct-06-09 10:07 AM   #3 
  - yup  mdmc   Oct-06-09 10:12 AM   #17 
  - +1  LynneSin   Oct-06-09 10:18 AM   #29 
     - So? Not our problem. It is their society. They like it.  thunder rising   Oct-06-09 10:26 AM   #36 
     - Well the men like it....  LynneSin   Oct-06-09 10:41 AM   #56 
        - The question is whether any of this can be improved by intervention.  JackRiddler   Oct-06-09 12:08 PM   #76 
           - I've believed that Bush's policy over the 6 years we've been there pretty much sucked  LynneSin   Oct-06-09 12:58 PM   #86 
     - There has never been "normalcy" in that country, therefore, we cannot bring "normalcy" back.  berni_mccoy   Oct-06-09 10:54 AM   #67 
  - allow me to retort  mdmc   Oct-06-09 10:07 AM   #5 
  - Do this again? Oh I don't know - I think we've got the *box cutters* angle covered.  ShortnFiery   Oct-06-09 10:10 AM   #10 
  - This assumes that history repeats itself exactly.  SidneyCarton   Oct-06-09 10:15 AM   #22 
  - Define occupation, because it's not simple.  JackRiddler   Oct-06-09 12:35 PM   #81 
     - Good points, I see what you're saying.  SidneyCarton   Oct-06-09 12:46 PM   #83 
  - got the *box cutters* angle covered ... good ....very good  thunder rising   Oct-06-09 10:23 AM   #34 
  - Thank you for the answers, they sound like a realistic assessment to me.  SidneyCarton   Oct-06-09 10:11 AM   #12 
     - my pleasure  mdmc   Oct-06-09 10:57 AM   #68 
  - I don't think you'll get too many of us VN Vets  madokie   Oct-06-09 10:09 AM   #8 
  - Wow! I know many Vietnam vets who realized that they were over there FOR NOTHING.  ShortnFiery   Oct-06-09 10:13 AM   #19 
     - I knew that within a few days of stepping in country  madokie   Oct-06-09 10:21 AM   #30 
  - Karzai is the Bush anolog in Afghanistan; stolen elections and all  thunder rising   Oct-06-09 10:09 AM   #9 
  - UNOCAL Karzai will leave when we do. Promise  NNN0LHI   Oct-06-09 10:11 AM   #13 
  - The "Falling Dominoes" scenario...again.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Oct-06-09 10:12 AM   #14 
  - I didn't invoke the falling domino theory.  SidneyCarton   Oct-06-09 10:18 AM   #28 
     - Same theory, different bogeyman.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Oct-06-09 10:34 AM   #46 
        - Some excellent suggestions in that article. Thanks for posting.  SidneyCarton   Oct-06-09 10:36 AM   #49 
  - Aren't we running a risk by being in Afghanistan?  cali   Oct-06-09 10:12 AM   #15 
  - True enough.  SidneyCarton   Oct-06-09 10:22 AM   #33 
  - The pullout could be done by having a garage sale of all the  Obamanaut   Oct-06-09 10:13 AM   #20 
  - Then how are our beloved Defense Contractors going to spend FY 2010's = 515 Billion.  ShortnFiery   Oct-06-09 10:25 AM   #35 
  - And should there be a heap of dead Americans, or a pile of smoking rubble in the future  SidneyCarton   Oct-06-09 10:26 AM   #38 
     - I googlled 'us military bases worldwide' and picked this link at  Obamanaut   Oct-06-09 11:35 AM   #72 
        - Didn't Bush try to shut down bases  tammywammy   Oct-06-09 12:16 PM   #78 
           - I believe the OP was along the line of conjecture, so this is what  Obamanaut   Oct-06-09 12:50 PM   #85 
  - So are you arguing to stay there?  Stinky The Clown   Oct-06-09 10:15 AM   #23 
  - Not necessarily, I am considering the situation and gathering feedback.  SidneyCarton   Oct-06-09 10:31 AM   #42 
     - What we were doing on 09-10-01 ... without Iraq harrassment  thunder rising   Oct-06-09 10:46 AM   #60 
  - Karzai would escape with us...  Ozymanithrax   Oct-06-09 10:15 AM   #24 
  - You've done this before haven't you?  SidneyCarton   Oct-06-09 10:32 AM   #43 
     - I was serving on an Air Craft Carrier when Saigon fell.  Ozymanithrax   Oct-06-09 03:44 PM   #95 
  - Sec Def Robert Gates:  Subdivisions   Oct-06-09 10:17 AM   #27 
  - Hence the question was hypothetical.  SidneyCarton   Oct-06-09 10:32 AM   #44 
  - OMG! It would be SO TRAGIC if we don't give Afghani's US style democracy!  Romulox   Oct-06-09 10:21 AM   #31 
  - Did I mention tragedy.  SidneyCarton   Oct-06-09 10:34 AM   #47 
     - No, but I saw your upper lip begin to tremble a bit while you were talking  Romulox   Oct-06-09 10:36 AM   #48 
        - "I read it. It was dumb."  SidneyCarton   Oct-06-09 10:37 AM   #50 
           - I don't think you understand what that phrase means.  Romulox   Oct-06-09 10:39 AM   #53 
              - I forgot the "sarcasm" smilie. n/t  SidneyCarton   Oct-06-09 10:40 AM   #54 
                 - Again, you might want to consult a dictionary  Romulox   Oct-06-09 10:44 AM   #58 
  - Responsibility for the Afghanistan 'security' effort needs to be given to a regional organization  bigtree   Oct-06-09 10:21 AM   #32 
  - What's wrong with PERMITTING the people themselves sort-out the rule of their own NATIVE land? eom  ShortnFiery   Oct-06-09 10:27 AM   #40 
  - It's the modern version of "White man's burden" that prevents that. nt  Romulox   Oct-06-09 10:28 AM   #41 
  - I would assume that Karzai isn't willing  bigtree   Oct-06-09 10:32 AM   #45 
     - "all those nations"" WTF ... their numbers are dwindling fast.  ShortnFiery   Oct-06-09 10:47 AM   #61 
        - as I said  bigtree   Oct-06-09 11:10 AM   #69 
  - Excellent points, thanks for sharing them.  SidneyCarton   Oct-06-09 10:38 AM   #52 
     - Too funny! Most SANE nations don't want any part of "taming the un-tamable."  ShortnFiery   Oct-06-09 10:49 AM   #62 
  - those consequences are largely our making-- the results of our foreign policy...  mike_c   Oct-06-09 10:26 AM   #37 
  - Perhaps we should pull our military out of ALL foreign countries.  RoccoR5955   Oct-06-09 10:27 AM   #39 
  - Yup... over 700 bases....  Bigmack   Oct-06-09 10:49 AM   #63 
     - And THERE you go.  RoccoR5955   Oct-06-09 11:27 AM   #71 
     - I'm in favor of shutting down, according to the source linked below,  Obamanaut   Oct-06-09 02:40 PM   #90 
        - That 706 billion is Medicare for each and every person  RoccoR5955   Oct-06-09 07:14 PM   #106 
  - The Entire Afghanistan Situation WAS PLANNED AND IMPLEMENTED BY BUSH NEOCONS ... get it?  thunder rising   Oct-06-09 10:37 AM   #51 
  - 'Our Man in Armani', knowing what's good for him, resigns the Presidency and...  MilesColtrane   Oct-06-09 10:40 AM   #55 
  - So creepy it might be true.  SidneyCarton   Oct-06-09 10:42 AM   #57 
  - the Pakistan military largely ran the Taliban and whether fundamentalists in the hinterlands are  yurbud   Oct-06-09 10:44 AM   #59 
  - We are not the WORLD POLICE.  undeterred   Oct-06-09 10:50 AM   #64 
  - People dying doesn't bother us as long as we aren't there  stray cat   Oct-06-09 11:17 AM   #70 
  - What's going to happen?  HiFructosePronSyrup   Oct-06-09 11:59 AM   #74 
  - The Taliban supremacy was not homegrown. It was due to outside influences.  Democracyinkind   Oct-06-09 12:00 PM   #75 
  - We can thank Brzninski (or however that twisted fuck spells it).  JVS   Oct-06-09 01:16 PM   #88 
     - I "thank" Far West Ltd. and Dilligence for our Afghanistan adventure for the most part.  Democracyinkind   Oct-06-09 04:41 PM   #102 
  - Not our problem.  harun   Oct-06-09 12:09 PM   #77 
  - It wasn't our problem on Sept. 10th 2001 either.  SidneyCarton   Oct-06-09 12:47 PM   #84 
  - I don't have the answer.  moondust   Oct-06-09 12:33 PM   #80 
  - Behold the sound of me not giving a fuck.  JVS   Oct-06-09 01:00 PM   #87 
  - The present Taliban LOATHE al Quaeda and have no desires to go to Pakistan if we are NOT  ShortnFiery   Oct-06-09 02:11 PM   #89 
  - Good point!  mvd   Oct-06-09 02:42 PM   #91 
  - Proof? I don't deny the assertion but I hear the opposite  TheKentuckian   Oct-06-09 03:48 PM   #96 
  - Heh  Mixopterus   Oct-06-09 02:49 PM   #92 
  - Give Me One Thing We Can Actually Accomplish In Afghanistan, And I'll Be On Board With Sticking  Toasterlad   Oct-06-09 03:31 PM   #93 
  - I think we can destroy in semblance of an organized terror network  TheKentuckian   Oct-06-09 03:50 PM   #97 
  - We accomplish killing a lot of people who otherwise...  Ozymanithrax   Oct-06-09 03:51 PM   #98 
  - Middle East Strategy  oldlib   Oct-06-09 03:35 PM   #94 
  - The rampant stupid isolationism in this thread is nauseating.  Odin2005   Oct-06-09 03:56 PM   #99 
  - It's an American tradition.  SidneyCarton   Oct-06-09 04:04 PM   #101 
  - So, we should bomb and invade away, I guess  PVnRT   Oct-07-09 01:23 PM   #109 
  - Wait one fucking minute....  Bigmack   Oct-06-09 06:25 PM   #103 
  - It's a nice change from the rampant stupid warmongering.  rug   Oct-06-09 06:54 PM   #104 
  - "Isolationism"  PVnRT   Oct-07-09 01:18 PM   #108 
  - before you jump down someone's throat, you should read the other comments on the thread.  SidneyCarton   Oct-07-09 03:52 PM   #112 
  - Yeah, let's take another crack at Somalia!  Ignis   Oct-07-09 01:29 PM   #110 
  - The Afghan war should be fought with spies, not soldiers.  DireStrike   Oct-06-09 07:00 PM   #105 
  - With war, there is only one question to ask yourself  Bluenorthwest   Oct-07-09 01:31 PM   #111 

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