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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 11:25 PM
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125. There's nothing wrong with a LOT of righteous anger. I applaud your righteous anger.
I think the rub is not with the anger but with the broadbrush sweep of your characterization of the rich.

Yes, I know who you are referring to--not those who are fortunate enough to have wealth and who also use their wealth for the betterment of the world and people around them--but those who are greedy, cynical, and destructive with their wealth.

The negative reaction, to me, is about nuance.

I think most of us are becoming more apprehensive about the constant and inflammatory use of broad-brush attacks by the right wing. That type of attack is based on an emotional and unforgiving anger that lashes out at anything that resembles their target. There's no nuance. No recognition that the "gummint" is not just a big amorphous blob of bad, but also does lots of necessary and very helpful things for us Americans. The same with taxes: no tax is a good tax. They could care less if there are highways of superior quality running all over this country that were and are paid for by taxes; that our military is supported by our taxes; that our food is inspected by our (fewer and fewer) USDA inspectors. It's all lumped together into one big angry name-calling in an effort to rouse people to action.

In the case of Democrats, we are almost always more attentive to the details and the exceptions, so we realize that the Greedy Rich are the problem, not the Rich in and of themselves. I think this nuance is important and necessary to maintain or we could sink into the same treacherous waters our right-wing adversaries have already dived into.

P.S.- I wouldn't take it too personally about the name-calling and relentless attacks. Strong anger always elicits a strong visceral reaction. Most, if not all, of those folks would support everything you say about the condition of our country and the injustices that you describe.

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  -F**k the rich. asdjrocky  Oct-04-09 08:00 PM   #0 
  - What do you consider rich?  bbinacan   Oct-04-09 08:06 PM   #1 
  - yum, straw!  Hannah Bell   Oct-04-09 08:08 PM   #2 
  - If you're a millionaire and not doing everything you can to help  asdjrocky   Oct-04-09 08:08 PM   #3 
  - Like John Kerry and Joe Biden.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-04-09 08:41 PM   #26 
  - Joe Biden isn't a millionaire.  asdjrocky   Oct-04-09 08:45 PM   #30 
     - So you just hate John Kerry and President Obama.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-04-09 08:50 PM   #37 
        - Yeah, I hate em.  asdjrocky   Oct-04-09 09:06 PM   #42 
           - Just pointing out the absurdity of your position.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-04-09 09:11 PM   #46 
              - Actually, the truth is, I didn't say I hated anyone in the first place.  asdjrocky   Oct-04-09 09:13 PM   #47 
                 - Just as absurd.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-04-09 09:18 PM   #49 
                 - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Oct-04-09 09:52 PM   #79 
  - What are YOU doing to help? NT  Treo   Oct-04-09 11:53 PM   #132 
  - compared to much of the world  paulsby   Oct-04-09 08:12 PM   #6 
  - Amen to that. n/t  bbinacan   Oct-04-09 08:13 PM   # 
  - I'm crushed.  asdjrocky   Oct-04-09 08:13 PM   #8 
     - it's your bigotry that's crushing you  paulsby   Oct-04-09 08:21 PM   #12 
        - Man you are so funny.  asdjrocky   Oct-04-09 08:28 PM   #15 
           - sorry, i'm on disability right now  paulsby   Oct-04-09 08:29 PM   #17 
  - Don't be a simpleton. n/t  Vickers   Oct-04-09 08:30 PM   #18 
  - Indeed... what would someone from Sub-Sarahan Africa call rich?  Fearless   Oct-04-09 08:40 PM   #25 
  - Rich = Permanent Wealth  niceypoo   Oct-04-09 09:09 PM   #44 
  - If your kids won't ever have to worry about working... you're rich.  lumberjack_jeff   Oct-04-09 10:53 PM   #113 
  - Naw, tax them  treestar   Oct-04-09 08:10 PM   #4 
  - Tax is the same thing.  asdjrocky   Oct-04-09 08:13 PM   #7 
  - Warren Buffet is pretty cool too. nt.  Thickasabrick   Oct-04-09 08:15 PM   #9 
     - you don't know how funny.  Hannah Bell   Oct-05-09 12:51 AM   #149 
  - 40% of US profits go the the financial services industry: banking, finance, &  Hannah Bell   Oct-04-09 08:10 PM   #5 
  - I don't hate the rich. I just want them to give back as much as they  Shell Beau   Oct-04-09 08:18 PM   #10 
  - so let's sum up...  ProdigalJunkMail   Oct-04-09 08:19 PM   #11 
  - Good reply  Nye Bevan   Oct-04-09 08:34 PM   #23 
  - You want a come back.  asdjrocky   Oct-04-09 08:44 PM   #28 
  - I picked four well-known names within dem circles  ProdigalJunkMail   Oct-04-09 08:48 PM   #34 
     - It doesn't take much to be 'richer' than inhabitants of a third  Fire1   Oct-04-09 09:05 PM   #41 
     - And I shot all of them but Michel down.  asdjrocky   Oct-04-09 09:25 PM   #56 
        - THAT my friend is the 64k question!! These little worker bees  Fire1   Oct-04-09 09:44 PM   #73 
  - with the possible exception of the Clintons, those people aren't that rich  harmonicon   Oct-04-09 09:05 PM   #40 
     - several million each...  ProdigalJunkMail   Oct-04-09 10:06 PM   #90 
  - Your post makes you sound like a complete bigot - replace the word rich with another noun  stray cat   Oct-04-09 08:24 PM   #13 
  - I don't care if it sounds progressive.  asdjrocky   Oct-04-09 08:26 PM   #14 
  - ah...the zero-sum fun fun n/t  ProdigalJunkMail   Oct-04-09 08:37 PM   #24 
  - +1000000000 !!!!!!!  FirstLight   Oct-04-09 08:45 PM   #29 
     - Funny how they all show up to defend their lords and masters isn't it?  asdjrocky   Oct-04-09 08:48 PM   #33 
        - you're cute...  ProdigalJunkMail   Oct-04-09 08:49 PM   #36 
           - You're cute too.  asdjrocky   Oct-04-09 09:07 PM   #43 
           - acutually, stoners and darpa created it... n/t  nebenaube   Oct-04-09 09:25 PM   #55 
           - no...they thought it up  ProdigalJunkMail   Oct-04-09 09:58 PM   #85 
              - Wrong again. n/t  Raineyb   Oct-05-09 01:32 AM   #159 
           - Uh no.  Raineyb   Oct-05-09 01:31 AM   #158 
  - You used the term progressive in the same sentence with  Fire1   Oct-04-09 08:42 PM   #27 
  - Those poor rich people must be crying all the way to the bank.  JVS   Oct-04-09 09:03 PM   #39 
  - I work for a rich guy n/t  doc03   Oct-04-09 08:28 PM   #16 
  - Don't we all?  asdjrocky   Oct-04-09 08:30 PM   #19 
  - Get out of there *fast*  Nye Bevan   Oct-04-09 08:32 PM   #21 
  - Rich is a relative term. In many places, the majority make under a thousand US dolars a year.  Ozymanithrax   Oct-04-09 08:32 PM   #20 
  - No I don't.  asdjrocky   Oct-04-09 08:34 PM   #22 
  - Like Mr. Lewis of BOA?? I know exactly who you mean. n/t  Fire1   Oct-04-09 08:47 PM   #32 
  - then you oppose investing for ones children's education, retirement, or for emergencies?  Ozymanithrax   Oct-04-09 09:22 PM   #52 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-04-09 09:29 PM   #60 
  - You have excess. Give some back. Now.  Dreamer Tatum   Oct-04-09 09:30 PM   #62 
  - I do give back.  asdjrocky   Oct-04-09 10:26 PM   #100 
  - I too am in favor of reducing American income to physiological-subsistence levels  BOG PERSON   Oct-04-09 10:28 PM   #101 
  - relative term my ass  FirstLight   Oct-04-09 08:59 PM   #38 
     - But rich is relative, and you just proved that.  Ozymanithrax   Oct-04-09 09:38 PM   #67 
        - maybe you see this more rationally than I do  FirstLight   Oct-04-09 09:56 PM   #83 
  - for those of you religiously inclined: Jesus. rich guy. heaven. camel:  Gabi Hayes   Oct-04-09 08:46 PM   #31 
  - Here's another one-  asdjrocky   Oct-04-09 08:49 PM   #35 
  - Man, I know what you mean and I agree with you. It's the wall street  jhrobbins   Oct-04-09 09:09 PM   #45 
  - Thanks for that.  asdjrocky   Oct-04-09 09:27 PM   #58 
  - Sounds like a bitter bitter loser to me.  guardian   Oct-04-09 09:13 PM   #48 
  - Sorry, did I hurt your feelings?  asdjrocky   Oct-04-09 09:20 PM   #51 
  - have fun in prison.  dysfunctional press   Oct-04-09 09:19 PM   #50 
  - The only rich I hate are the ones who made/make their money by screwing the little guy  brentspeak   Oct-04-09 09:23 PM   #53 
  - Not trying to speak for the OP but I think you stated his  Fire1   Oct-04-09 09:59 PM   #87 
  - I think this is exactly the point the OP was trying to get at  FirstLight   Oct-04-09 10:40 PM   #106 
  - I can go with how you said it too.  asdjrocky   Oct-04-09 11:52 PM   #131 
  - Do you have any idea what petulant little pissant you sound like?  Dreamer Tatum   Oct-04-09 09:25 PM   #54 
  - Did I hurt your feelings too?  asdjrocky   Oct-04-09 09:26 PM   #57 
  - Yeah, I'll lose so much sleep over the screeds of a pseudo-progressive like you  Dreamer Tatum   Oct-04-09 09:28 PM   #59 
     - I'm not a progressive.  asdjrocky   Oct-04-09 09:32 PM   #63 
        - You forgot "bigoted and prone to violence" in your self-description, Mr. Pusser nt  Dreamer Tatum   Oct-04-09 09:35 PM   #64 
           - .  Common Sense Party   Oct-04-09 11:34 PM   #128 
  - Really? But no donation for a website you frequent?? n/t  Fire1   Oct-04-09 10:02 PM   #89 
     - Hammer meet nail.  bullwinkle428   Oct-04-09 10:17 PM   #97 
     - Duzy!  Zoeisright   Oct-04-09 11:48 PM   #130 
     - I had that coming nt  Dreamer Tatum   Oct-05-09 12:52 AM   #151 
     - Yikes! An oversight, I assure you...time to correct.  Dreamer Tatum   Oct-05-09 12:50 AM   #148 
  - No, just tax the shit out of them.  alarimer   Oct-04-09 09:29 PM   #61 
  - I disagree.  BillDU   Oct-04-09 09:36 PM   #65 
  - I have been fucked.  asdjrocky   Oct-04-09 09:37 PM   #66 
     - .Aint whit cha  BillDU   Oct-04-09 09:39 PM   #68 
  - Empathy  BillDU   Oct-04-09 09:42 PM   #69 
  - And there's the problem.  asdjrocky   Oct-04-09 09:43 PM   #70 
     - Won't get in your way pal  BillDU   Oct-04-09 09:48 PM   #75 
     - That attitude is part of the problem  Raineyb   Oct-05-09 01:38 AM   #160 
     - Exactly! Mobility among class levels is a lie. "Anyone can get rich in America"  Quantess   Oct-04-09 09:50 PM   #77 
     - Obviously  BillDU   Oct-04-09 09:52 PM   #78 
     - Go ahead  BillDU   Oct-04-09 09:53 PM   #80 
     - Sorry  BillDU   Oct-04-09 09:54 PM   #82 
     - What's your excuse?  Quantess   Oct-04-09 10:16 PM   #96 
     - Yep.  asdjrocky   Oct-04-09 09:53 PM   #81 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-04-09 09:57 PM   #84 
           - Wow.  asdjrocky   Oct-04-09 09:59 PM   #86 
           - LOL!  Zenlitened   Oct-04-09 10:24 PM   #99 
              - OK  BillDU   Oct-04-09 10:30 PM   #104 
              - I think I opened the crazy door.  asdjrocky   Oct-04-09 11:09 PM   #119 
     - n/t  BzaDem   Oct-04-09 11:00 PM   #116 
  - Roosevelt and Kennedy were rich while Reagan and Nixon grew up poor  JI7   Oct-04-09 09:43 PM   #71 
  - And back in those good old days what was the tax rate for people with that much money?  asdjrocky   Oct-04-09 09:46 PM   #74 
     - and wealthy people like Warren Buffet support raising taxes on wealthy  JI7   Oct-04-09 10:07 PM   #91 
     - Kennedy lowered it  anonymous171   Oct-04-09 10:21 PM   #98 
        - Actually that's true.  asdjrocky   Oct-04-09 10:28 PM   #103 
  - Thank you for speaking for me  Ruby the Liberal   Oct-04-09 09:44 PM   #72 
  - Thank you for standing with me Ruby.  asdjrocky   Oct-05-09 12:50 AM   #147 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Oct-04-09 09:48 PM   #76 
  - "Fuck the system that made them rich" is what I would say. nt  anonymous171   Oct-04-09 10:02 PM   #88 
  - Fuck Obama?  Dirtyhairy   Oct-04-09 10:09 PM   #92 
  - Well at least the rich have a good guy like you to stick up for them.  asdjrocky   Oct-04-09 10:11 PM   #93 
     - I'm just wondering at what point do you become rich.  Dirtyhairy   Oct-04-09 10:14 PM   #94 
        - Let's let wall street decide.  asdjrocky   Oct-04-09 10:15 PM   #95 
           - If you let wall street decide, the poor are going to be in some serious trouble.  Dirtyhairy   Oct-04-09 10:43 PM   #108 
              - Are you still here?  asdjrocky   Oct-04-09 10:45 PM   #110 
  - I know one really wealthy person.  WillowTree   Oct-04-09 10:28 PM   #102 
  - Good for her.  asdjrocky   Oct-04-09 10:35 PM   #105 
     - No. You just said...  WillowTree   Oct-04-09 10:43 PM   #107 
  - Threads like this are always so much fun to read. nt  A HERETIC I AM   Oct-04-09 10:45 PM   #109 
  - It's very illuminating to me.  asdjrocky   Oct-04-09 10:50 PM   #111 
  - Rocky, I hope you take your righteous anger and channel it toward some positive  bertman   Oct-04-09 10:52 PM   #112 
  - Of course I will bertman.  asdjrocky   Oct-04-09 11:00 PM   #115 
     - There's nothing wrong with a LOT of righteous anger. I applaud your righteous anger.  bertman   Oct-04-09 11:25 PM   #125 
        - I hear you.  asdjrocky   Oct-04-09 11:29 PM   #126 
  - The anger is understandable but pointless.  proteus_lives   Oct-04-09 10:53 PM   #114 
  - How is this any different than an attack on an entire race  BzaDem   Oct-04-09 11:01 PM   #117 
  - Yeah, no rich person ever did anything good for this country, ever!  Alexander   Oct-04-09 11:08 PM   #118 
  - JFK cut taxes for the rich, Bobby Kennedy got shot before he did anything  anonymous171   Oct-04-09 11:10 PM   #122 
     - Yeah, saving the world during the Cuban Missile Crisis, that was nothing.  Alexander   Oct-05-09 12:47 AM   #144 
        - He/She is someone who knows and understands history.  asdjrocky   Oct-05-09 12:49 AM   #145 
        - Didn't say that he was a bad manager  anonymous171   Oct-05-09 12:53 AM   #152 
  - I agree with you and here's why  conflictgirl   Oct-04-09 11:09 PM   #120 
  - Here's the richest of the rich: The Forbes 400. ALMOST ALL BILLIONAIRES. Oprah is one of em too.  earth mom   Oct-04-09 11:09 PM   #121 
  - You mentioned above the piddling things you do to help those poorer than you.  BzaDem   Oct-04-09 11:12 PM   #123 
  - I know what I said.  asdjrocky   Oct-04-09 11:18 PM   #124 
     - I never said you were asking for more.  BzaDem   Oct-04-09 11:32 PM   #127 
        - Funny.  asdjrocky   Oct-04-09 11:35 PM   #129 
        - I do plenty. But I'm not the one who is making a broad-brush attack on a class of people. You are.  BzaDem   Oct-04-09 11:55 PM   #133 
        - Let me get this straight  Raineyb   Oct-05-09 01:48 AM   #161 
  - I live in a rich area that does tremendous good for others.  alittlelark   Oct-04-09 11:56 PM   #134 
  - Amen, brother/sister  Kievan Rus   Oct-05-09 12:06 AM   #135 
  - You said it good.  asdjrocky   Oct-05-09 12:07 AM   #136 
     - Intellectual property is the best example, IMHO  Kievan Rus   Oct-05-09 01:10 AM   #155 
  - Everyone here knows damn well who "the rich" are.  YoungAndOutraged   Oct-05-09 12:12 AM   #137 
  - Thanks my friend.  asdjrocky   Oct-05-09 12:16 AM   #139 
  - Oh, and fuck Frank "stunning failure" Rich while  Cha   Oct-05-09 12:14 AM   #138 
  - If you count my house value and my 40 years retirement savings I might have a million. Am I rich?  Kablooie   Oct-05-09 12:28 AM   #140 
  - Why do you ask?  asdjrocky   Oct-05-09 12:36 AM   #142 
  - no. not anywhere near.  Hannah Bell   Oct-05-09 12:52 AM   #150 
  - The OP is bombastic and harsh but the free pass for the wealthy is a much bigger problem  TheKentuckian   Oct-05-09 12:31 AM   #141 
  - I'm right now stepping just behind you and saying,  asdjrocky   Oct-05-09 12:40 AM   #143 
     - These people defending the rich are what we call house n*****s  TheKentuckian   Oct-05-09 12:49 AM   #146 
  - Thanks  Blecht   Oct-05-09 12:57 AM   #153 
  - The poor gotta stick together.  asdjrocky   Oct-05-09 01:01 AM   #154 
  - Fuck the rich with a lightsaber!  Swamp Rat   Oct-05-09 01:17 AM   #156 
  - I can't wrap my head around this at all. To have the nerve to talk about how hard they work  TheKentuckian   Oct-05-09 01:24 AM   #157 
  - Rich people are parasites  murdoch   Oct-05-09 01:54 AM   #162 
  - locking  maddezmom   Oct-05-09 02:00 AM   #163 

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