CoffeeCat
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Mon Oct-05-09 01:39 AM
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| 67. Plutonomy....what a crock of shit!! |
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Edited on Mon Oct-05-09 01:51 AM by CoffeeCat
These people are delusional, self-absorbed, stupid bastards who believe that the yacht owners can prop up the U.S. economy---all...by...themselves.
This is similar to "teh stupid from the neocons". Just like the neocon statement papers, this plutonomy ramblings is a bunch of baloney wrapped in pseudo-intellectual-ease.
You can dress up dumb with pretty words. Anyone can buy a thesaurus. It's still dumb.
If the uber elites can keep the economy afloat--then why are we in a recession? Why did leading economic indicators (such as the Baltic Exchange Dry Index) tank during the initial phase of the recession? Demand for EVERYTHING plummeted. Gee, I thought the elite and their caviar-soaked billions didn't need the peasants (e.g.--those making less than $500,000 per year).
If so, why did we plunge into recession and why are we now plunging back into more bad economic times?
There is no doubt that the uber rich will suffer less in dire economic times. They've got more resources, connections and cash. However, these people do not drive the bulk of our U.S. economy---the rest of the country does. The fact that they think they can "go it alone" isn't "shocking" or "upsetting". It's totally laughable and ridiculous.
Yes, the elites own the companies that supply an impressive cash flow. However, their cash flow is dependent upon other people investing in their company or buying their products and services. If the lower 95 percent can't (or won't) pay their credit-card bills, what happens? If those who own such brands as Target, Kraft, United Airlines, Pizza Hut, Walgreen's, Ford--don't have the American people backing them--they fail.
Just look at their analysis, which spells out that a plutonomy flourished "in the roaring 20's". Are they stupid? The destruction of the lower, middle and upper-middle classes during this time --and the concentration of wealth to the upper echelons--drove us into The Great Depression. They mention how wonderful a "roaring 20's" plutonomy was--without pondering the obvious history that followed that period?
IDIOTS!
The uber-elite nimrods snatching up everything and planning to rule over a bunch of powerless peasants is a failed model and a recipe for economic disaster--not some brilliant intellectual analysis!
These people are damn dumb. The fact that this nonsense is written by some pompous asses who know how to crack open Roget's and go to town--doesn't mean it's true. It's crap.
The failed neocons and the soon-to-be-failed plutonomists can take their fake cerebral jargon and their ill-conceived, pie-in-the-sky unicorn dreams of world domination--and shove them up their asses.
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Citigroup's Shocking 'Plutonomy' Reports |
kpete |
Oct-04-09 12:51 PM |
#0 |

Even the rich are surprised we don't fight back!! |
Generic Other |
Oct-04-09 12:54 PM |
#1 |
 
When they feel they have nothing left to lose. |
Barack_America |
Oct-04-09 01:40 PM |
#7 |
  
Revolution |
Angry Dragon |
Oct-04-09 08:15 PM |
#32 |
 
Very soon, when the Middle Class is thrown into poverty |
Odin2005 |
Oct-04-09 08:11 PM |
#29 |
  
you think that a middle class exists? |
harmonicon |
Oct-04-09 08:37 PM |
#41 |
 
McCain set the boundary at 5 million/yr. |
Mithreal |
Oct-05-09 12:37 AM |
#66 |
 
Cause they scare people with all the crazy shit we are hearing on a |
WCGreen |
Oct-04-09 08:13 PM |
#31 |
 
We do have a simple rebelion option ... all that is required is SOLIDARITY |
jimlup |
Oct-04-09 09:07 PM |
#48 |
  
Has there ever been a reasonable rebellion? |
loudsue |
Oct-05-09 12:30 AM |
#65 |
  
You make a good point... |
KansDem |
Oct-05-09 09:23 AM |
#87 |
 
RE: "Right now, I've got a leaky water heater " |
LiberalAndProud |
Oct-05-09 12:44 PM |
#115 |
 
Never, and they know it |
Lorien |
Oct-05-09 02:08 AM |
#70 |
  
Can we please lay off the "watching TV" theme for once? It's not like DU doesn't have TV threads. |
WinkyDink |
Oct-05-09 07:38 AM |
#81 |
 
It is a valid point, however |
MorningGlow |
Oct-05-09 09:34 AM |
#91 |
 
Howard Zinn wrote of this |
riverbendviewgal |
Oct-05-09 07:07 AM |
#78 |
  
"the rich use the middle class as a buffer between the poor and them." |
redqueen |
Oct-05-09 11:22 AM |
#95 |
 
Even the rich can't believe their propaganda has worked this good for this long. |
harun |
Oct-05-09 09:28 AM |
#88 |

Disturbing on so many levels, particularly |
mix |
Oct-04-09 01:01 PM |
#2 |
 
It's simply BS. |
fasttense |
Oct-05-09 06:15 AM |
#75 |

Fasttense brings up some vital points... |
JHB |
Oct-05-09 08:00 AM |
#82 |

I think I can tell you why. Sadly. |
CTyankee |
Oct-05-09 09:00 AM |
#86 |

6.7 billion people on the planet, 300 million Americans |
leftstreet |
Oct-05-09 12:23 PM |
#108 |

An Excellent Analysis, Ma'am, Reminiscent Of Herr Kautsky Describing Imperial Rome |
The Magistrate |
Oct-04-09 01:32 PM |
#3 |
 
Such was France's economy structured from Louis XIV to the Third Republic. |
mix |
Oct-04-09 01:37 PM |
#4 |
  
Indeed, Sir, the Pattern Is A Common Enough One |
The Magistrate |
Oct-04-09 01:39 PM |
#6 |
 
Perhaps that is why they belittle the Arts & Science education |
WCGreen |
Oct-05-09 02:11 AM |
#71 |
 
It is the destruction of Republican Rome's middle class of free farmers that destroyed the Republic. |
Odin2005 |
Oct-04-09 08:19 PM |
#33 |

kick nt |
phasma ex machina |
Oct-05-09 01:59 AM |
#69 |

Kept tellin' you all that Citigroup is a criminal enterprise. |
aquart |
Oct-04-09 01:38 PM |
#5 |
 
They were the ones who petitioned the hardest for the repeal of Glass Steagal |
AllentownJake |
Oct-04-09 02:09 PM |
#12 |
 
This is long winded but it shows how much clout Citi possesses |
truedelphi |
Oct-04-09 07:28 PM |
#18 |
  
Fucking BASTARDS!!! |
Odin2005 |
Oct-04-09 08:23 PM |
#36 |
  
I think you should dig up more info on that. I believe you- it's just like a |
Occulus |
Oct-05-09 05:05 AM |
#74 |
 
Fuck Citibank |
ThePantaloon.com |
Oct-04-09 07:31 PM |
#19 |
 
How can Citigroup be blamed for telling the truth? |
MajorChode |
Oct-04-09 07:59 PM |
#23 |
  
because they lobbied hard for repeal of Glass-Steagall |
northernlights |
Oct-04-09 08:50 PM |
#44 |
   
Glass-Steagall has nothing to do with plutonomy |
MajorChode |
Oct-04-09 09:27 PM |
#52 |
  
Glass-Steagall had a lot to do with protecting the middle class |
northernlights |
Oct-05-09 12:33 PM |
#111 |
  
You're really reaching here |
MajorChode |
Oct-05-09 06:38 PM |
#128 |
  
Unfortunately.. |
sendero |
Oct-04-09 08:53 PM |
#45 |
 
Bullshit |
MajorChode |
Oct-04-09 09:10 PM |
#49 |
 
How much has Obama raised... |
sendero |
Oct-04-09 09:23 PM |
#51 |
  
So who do you think deserves most of the blame for that? |
MajorChode |
Oct-04-09 09:30 PM |
#53 |
   
The Democrats we have right now.. |
sendero |
Oct-04-09 09:41 PM |
#55 |
  
Give me a break |
MajorChode |
Oct-04-09 09:54 PM |
#56 |
  
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Oct-04-09 10:06 PM |
#57 |
  
Your childish name calling speaks volumes about you |
MajorChode |
Oct-04-09 10:18 PM |
#58 |
  
Just under 5% and that nearly caused a revolution |
stevenleser |
Oct-04-09 10:30 PM |
#59 |
 
But won't that increase when Bush's Tax Cuts for the rich expire in 2010? |
whathehell |
Oct-05-09 11:48 AM |
#102 |
 
enough to pass them. twice. that's all it takes. the others don't have to vote |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-05-09 08:27 AM |
#84 |
 
"enough" /= 99% |
MajorChode |
Oct-05-09 11:18 AM |
#93 |
 
if 1 vote is all that's needed to pass it, why would more go on record with an unpopular vote? |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-05-09 05:01 PM |
#119 |
 
Follow the thread backwards |
MajorChode |
Oct-05-09 05:50 PM |
#121 |
 
non-seq |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-05-09 05:53 PM |
#122 |
 
That's been your problem all along |
MajorChode |
Oct-05-09 06:11 PM |
#125 |
 
i don't have a problem. yours is you want to pretend dems don't collude in the ruling |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-05-09 06:19 PM |
#127 |
 
Oh yes, only the dyed in the wool card carrying Marxists have the one and only true answer |
MajorChode |
Oct-05-09 07:00 PM |
#129 |
 
Hence my invocation of the guillotine. |
Odin2005 |
Oct-04-09 08:21 PM |
#34 |

I can't believe they were stupid enough to put this in writing |
AllentownJake |
Oct-04-09 01:49 PM |
#8 |
 
Never underestimate the stupidity of Citi. |
aquart |
Oct-04-09 01:52 PM |
#10 |
  
They are in the most trouble of all the banks |
AllentownJake |
Oct-04-09 01:56 PM |
#11 |
 
Probably not stupidity but arrogance. |
harun |
Oct-05-09 09:30 AM |
#89 |

A rich man has only one vote unless you sell him yours. |
aquart |
Oct-04-09 01:50 PM |
#9 |
 
As we saw with the town hall meeting disruptors, there are plenty of sheep willing to do that. |
Catshrink |
Oct-04-09 02:15 PM |
#13 |
  
Fear |
Angry Dragon |
Oct-04-09 08:10 PM |
#27 |
 
Well said.. |
Catshrink |
Oct-04-09 08:35 PM |
#40 |
 
"A rich man has only one vote unless you sell him yours" |
Hubert Flottz |
Oct-05-09 04:49 AM |
#73 |
  
I beleive that this is what Sherlock Holmes refered to as ... |
wolfgangmo |
Oct-05-09 12:28 PM |
#110 |
 
anecdotal evidence |
NJCher |
Oct-05-09 09:00 AM |
#85 |
 
Keep in mind the difference between ownership and control |
wolfgangmo |
Oct-05-09 12:26 PM |
#109 |
 
but they have most of the money. |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-05-09 06:02 PM |
#123 |

All the more reason to discredit Acorn: |
Helga Scow Stern |
Oct-04-09 02:24 PM |
#14 |

Hey...the report gives out e-mail addresses!! |
dixiegrrrrl |
Oct-04-09 04:00 PM |
#15 |

One inevitable result from Plutonomy is national ignorance and |
Uncle Joe |
Oct-04-09 06:23 PM |
#16 |

There is only one way to stop this. |
Leftist Agitator |
Oct-04-09 07:23 PM |
#17 |
 
is silk strong enough to make nooses? |
datasuspect |
Oct-04-09 07:34 PM |
#20 |

Spider silk is stronger than steel. (nt) |
w4rma |
Oct-04-09 07:56 PM |
#21 |

Here's the fundamental reality that many on DU (and everywhere else) can't fathom |
MajorChode |
Oct-04-09 07:56 PM |
#22 |
 
Yep, it's the "L" curve at work... |
Fumesucker |
Oct-04-09 08:04 PM |
#24 |
 
One could make the income tax more progressive. |
Selatius |
Oct-04-09 08:10 PM |
#28 |
  
It's far deeper than that |
MajorChode |
Oct-04-09 08:31 PM |
#38 |
 
As it stands, there is a FICA cap on income roughly over 100,000. |
Selatius |
Oct-04-09 08:41 PM |
#42 |
 
That's exactly what I'm suggesting |
MajorChode |
Oct-04-09 08:58 PM |
#46 |
 
The boomers are mostly all dead by 2040. & the mid-range SS forecasts you |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-05-09 06:10 PM |
#124 |
 
I don't think that's what's going on here. |
DireStrike |
Oct-04-09 08:31 PM |
#39 |
  
I didn't say most, I said many |
MajorChode |
Oct-04-09 08:49 PM |
#43 |
 
Accumulation of capital as a means of earning a living is, itself, one of the prime causes of |
Greyhound |
Oct-05-09 12:00 PM |
#103 |
 
Interesting theory |
MajorChode |
Oct-05-09 07:17 PM |
#130 |
 
It's worse than that MC |
stevenleser |
Oct-04-09 10:32 PM |
#60 |
  
The only wealth tax I can really get behind is an inheritance tax |
MajorChode |
Oct-04-09 10:51 PM |
#61 |
 
The Capital Gains tax needs a huge hike. Or it needs to be considered income and included in the |
w4rma |
Oct-05-09 12:12 AM |
#64 |
  
It is considered income, it's just a "special" type of income |
MajorChode |
Oct-05-09 11:28 AM |
#96 |
 
That sounds to me like a good solution, on the surface. (nt) |
w4rma |
Oct-05-09 11:19 PM |
#133 |
 
+1, tax wealth more, wage income less. |
harun |
Oct-05-09 09:32 AM |
#90 |
 
It's that tried and true tactic - divide and conquer. |
redqueen |
Oct-05-09 11:28 AM |
#97 |
 
What is the top bracket when Bush's tax cut expires? |
LiberalAndProud |
Oct-05-09 12:51 PM |
#116 |

approximately the rates of the clinton admin. |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-05-09 06:13 PM |
#126 |

As long as the super-rich have enough men with guns to protect them, then |
valerief |
Oct-04-09 08:09 PM |
#25 |
 
They have enough now...but if the shit really flies they will never have enough.... |
RagAss |
Oct-04-09 08:23 PM |
#35 |

We gotta start catapulting some shit then! nt |
valerief |
Oct-04-09 08:27 PM |
#37 |

Time to take these arrogant fuckers to the guillotine! |
Odin2005 |
Oct-04-09 08:09 PM |
#26 |
 
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Oct-04-09 08:11 PM |
#30 |

bookmarked. K&R |
Soylent Brice |
Oct-04-09 09:05 PM |
#47 |

bookmarked. K&R |
snagglepuss |
Oct-04-09 09:16 PM |
#50 |

K&R |
Kitty Herder |
Oct-04-09 09:34 PM |
#54 |

"The Family" by Jeff Sharlet talks about those people. They make no bones |
alfredo |
Oct-04-09 11:12 PM |
#62 |

We could dust off a guillotine for the let them eat cake set. |
Vidar |
Oct-04-09 11:27 PM |
#63 |

Plutonomy....what a crock of shit!! |
CoffeeCat |
Oct-05-09 01:39 AM |
#67 |
 
The arguments presented in the Citigroup memo are bit persuasive. |
JDPriestly |
Oct-05-09 03:25 AM |
#72 |
 
They are saying that "we" aren't in a recession. Meaning, "we plutocrats" |
izzybeans |
Oct-05-09 11:18 AM |
#94 |

Top 10% get 25% of income, top 20% get 40%. Bottom 80% get 60%, some in transfer payments. |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-05-09 01:48 AM |
#68 |
 
Numbers are a bit off, I just looked them up a few days ago and the top 1% takes over 30%, |
Greyhound |
Oct-05-09 12:14 PM |
#104 |
  
pre-tax. |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-05-09 05:45 PM |
#120 |
 
Gini index |
lumberjack_jeff |
Oct-05-09 12:40 PM |
#114 |

Plutonomy + Republiconism |
SpiralHawk |
Oct-05-09 06:36 AM |
#76 |

Relevant OpEd from today's NYT |
Danascot |
Oct-05-09 07:05 AM |
#77 |
 
How suprising. Possessing $1.3 trillion, the wealthy might have bailed themselves out. |
caseymoz |
Oct-05-09 09:40 AM |
#92 |

Saw Moores flick last night |
voteearlyvoteoften |
Oct-05-09 07:14 AM |
#79 |

They don’t see this happening yet because they keep us pacified |
liberal N proud |
Oct-05-09 07:24 AM |
#80 |
 
Not only do they keep us pacificed, they've successfully branded |
Arugula Latte |
Oct-05-09 11:31 AM |
#98 |

Once again, thank-you Michael Moore. Great film exposing amazing corruption. nt |
polichick |
Oct-05-09 08:01 AM |
#83 |

They have successfully devised a system |
Turbineguy |
Oct-05-09 11:36 AM |
#99 |

I recommend this post, the poster, & M. Moore's movie! (whether one agrees, or not) nt |
2 Much Tribulation |
Oct-05-09 11:36 AM |
#100 |

K&R |
Echo In Light |
Oct-05-09 11:40 AM |
#101 |

K&R |
leftstreet |
Oct-05-09 12:15 PM |
#105 |

K&R |
Orwellian_Ghost |
Oct-05-09 12:16 PM |
#106 |

kick for later reading... |
Blue_Tires |
Oct-05-09 12:23 PM |
#107 |

Time to get a little 1789 on their ass! "Liberté, égalité, fraternité, ou la mort!" n/t |
NoodleyAppendage |
Oct-05-09 12:35 PM |
#112 |
 
... |
Arugula Latte |
Oct-05-09 12:52 PM |
#117 |

i think homer simpson said it best...........DOH! |
happygoluckytoyou |
Oct-05-09 12:36 PM |
#113 |

... |
redqueen |
Oct-05-09 02:49 PM |
#118 |

When was this initially leaked? How did the corporate media ignore it for so long? |
NAO |
Oct-05-09 07:59 PM |
#131 |

K & R |
AzDar |
Oct-05-09 08:10 PM |
#132 |