merh
(1000+ posts)
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Fri Oct-02-09 08:18 PM
Response to Reply #123 |
| 126. He is doing good, I just took them to be groomed today |
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Edited on Fri Oct-02-09 08:39 PM by merh
It always makes them so happy to be pampered.  
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Do you really hate PETA? Really? |
JanMichael |
Oct-02-09 06:46 PM |
#0 |

I don't hate them. I think they're very well-meaning fools. Some of whom are insane as well. |
BlooInBloo |
Oct-02-09 06:47 PM |
#1 |
 
+1 n/t |
tammywammy |
Oct-02-09 06:48 PM |
#2 |
 
+1. |
TheWraith |
Oct-02-09 06:56 PM |
#11 |
 
+1, you probably think worse of me though |
AllentownJake |
Oct-02-09 07:04 PM |
#20 |
  
There *is* nothing worse to think of someone, by my lights, just fyi. |
BlooInBloo |
Oct-02-09 07:33 PM |
#65 |
 
I love you Bloo |
AllentownJake |
Oct-02-09 07:37 PM |
#72 |
 
Nothing worse? How about calling someone "lunch"? |
Boojatta |
Oct-02-09 10:54 PM |
#173 |
 
Why are people who care about factory farmed animals "fools?" |
JanMichael |
Oct-02-09 07:08 PM |
#27 |
  
See post #3, that's why PETA's full of fools. n/t |
tammywammy |
Oct-02-09 07:09 PM |
#28 |
  
There's a way.. |
sendero |
Oct-02-09 07:29 PM |
#62 |
 
+1 |
ccharles000 |
Oct-02-09 07:48 PM |
#84 |
 
What Bloo said |
havocmom |
Oct-02-09 08:23 PM |
#129 |
 
+1 nt |
voc |
Oct-03-09 12:53 AM |
#185 |
 
Hey, look at pot and kettle getting along so well. |
flvegan |
Oct-03-09 12:56 AM |
#186 |

People Eating Tasty Animals? |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Oct-02-09 06:48 PM |
#3 |
 
Who's WE? Do you have multiple socks? nt |
ShadesOfGrey |
Oct-02-09 09:38 PM |
# |

Rational human beings. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Oct-03-09 01:24 AM |
#188 |

No, but I just recently went vegan, so . . . |
Pool Hall Ace |
Oct-02-09 06:50 PM |
#4 |
 
By "vegan," you mean "Nazi," right? |
Ignis |
Oct-02-09 07:02 PM |
#18 |

Oh, are the words "vegan" and "Nazi" synonyms in GD? |
Pool Hall Ace |
Oct-02-09 07:49 PM |
#86 |

Didn't you get the "Welcome to Veganistan" pamphlet? |
Ignis |
Oct-02-09 07:51 PM |
#90 |

ACK! You're not supposed to talk about it! |
flvegan |
Oct-02-09 07:54 PM |
#96 |
 
Damnit! I always get my Vegan and Masonic handshakes mixed up, too! |
Ignis |
Oct-02-09 07:57 PM |
#101 |

Sadly, no. But I see they have a shop over at Cafe Press. |
Pool Hall Ace |
Oct-02-09 08:05 PM |
#110 |

This calls for popcorn. |
TheCowsCameHome |
Oct-02-09 06:50 PM |
#5 |
 
Sadly, it will have to be without butter due to cow-exploitation. Pass the salt, though. |
Hekate |
Oct-02-09 07:34 PM |
#67 |

Yes, because they are extremists and don't care at all about |
tonysam |
Oct-02-09 06:51 PM |
#6 |
 
"don't care at all about animals" -- Thanks, Dr. Telepathy! |
Ignis |
Oct-02-09 07:05 PM |
#22 |
 
Slavery |
Treo |
Oct-03-09 03:00 AM |
#199 |

The are a collection of fools, flakes, and nuts, their leaders are hypocrites; |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Oct-02-09 06:52 PM |
#7 |

No. Sometimes they annoy or even anger me, but more often they make me laugh |
petronius |
Oct-02-09 06:52 PM |
#8 |

Who would Jesus browbeat? |
Touchdown |
Oct-02-09 06:52 PM |
#9 |
 
hmmmm we aren't PETA members...and I am an athiest. |
JanMichael |
Oct-02-09 07:04 PM |
#21 |

Who's an atheist? Jan or Michael? |
Touchdown |
Oct-02-09 07:27 PM |
#59 |

I believe JanMichael's SO is an active DUer also. |
Pool Hall Ace |
Oct-02-09 07:35 PM |
#70 |

Shame he can't let her speak for herself. |
Touchdown |
Oct-02-09 07:45 PM |
#80 |

The scary thing about PETA |
bbinacan |
Oct-02-09 06:55 PM |
#10 |
 
We aren't PETA members. |
JanMichael |
Oct-02-09 07:02 PM |
#17 |
  
"We aren't PETA members" |
bbinacan |
Oct-02-09 07:22 PM |
#50 |
 
Wife and I |
JanMichael |
Oct-02-09 07:43 PM |
#78 |
 
Do you have any support for this ridiculous assertion? (edited) |
Ignis |
Oct-02-09 07:07 PM |
#25 |
  
Nope, s/he doesn't |
JanMichael |
Oct-02-09 07:09 PM |
#29 |
   
It sounds like you're |
bbinacan |
Oct-02-09 07:26 PM |
#55 |
  
how so? Because we don't believe in the animal farming industry |
JanMichael |
Oct-02-09 08:10 PM |
#117 |
  
Funny, I hear similar appeals to emotion from the Operation Rescue nutbags |
MajorChode |
Oct-02-09 08:30 PM |
#135 |
  
It's quite simple actually. |
bbinacan |
Oct-02-09 07:28 PM |
#60 |
 
Again, I ask for support for your claims, not hyperbole or fantasy. |
Ignis |
Oct-02-09 07:32 PM |
#63 |
  
If I give you several are you going to address your own hyperbole? |
MajorChode |
Oct-02-09 07:37 PM |
#73 |
   
I realize you're allergic to specificity, Chode, but... |
Ignis |
Oct-02-09 07:44 PM |
#79 |
  
*rofflemayo* |
redqueen |
Oct-02-09 07:47 PM |
#82 |
   
I protest! *rofflemustard* is far superior. (nt) |
Ignis |
Oct-02-09 07:53 PM |
#92 |
  
Try reading the subject lines of your own posts |
MajorChode |
Oct-02-09 07:53 PM |
#93 |
  
OK, I've read them all. Great subject lines, I must say! |
Ignis |
Oct-02-09 07:56 PM |
#99 |
  
Pretty much every one of your posts |
MajorChode |
Oct-02-09 08:05 PM |
#108 |
  
Allergies kicking in again? OK, I'll do your work for you: |
Ignis |
Oct-02-09 08:25 PM |
#132 |
  
Well let me walk you through this. |
bbinacan |
Oct-02-09 07:38 PM |
#74 |
 
Do you not understand what the word "support" means? |
Ignis |
Oct-02-09 07:50 PM |
#89 |
 
So you are saying |
bbinacan |
Oct-02-09 07:55 PM |
#98 |
 
No, I'm saying you're making assertions without support. |
Ignis |
Oct-02-09 08:03 PM |
#106 |
 
Just go to PETA's |
bbinacan |
Oct-02-09 08:07 PM |
#113 |
 
The "proof" that was demanded was already provided back on post#73 |
MajorChode |
Oct-02-09 08:23 PM |
#130 |
  
It's nice of you to answer for your fellow traveller, but... |
Ignis |
Oct-02-09 08:37 PM |
#142 |
 
So now you want to pretend you're trying to be reasonable? |
MajorChode |
Oct-02-09 11:24 PM |
#176 |
 
"Specificsss, preciousssss--it BURNSSS usssss!" |
Ignis |
Oct-03-09 12:31 AM |
#181 |
 
Wow, that's pretty pathetic. "Got nothing" was apparently generous. |
Ignis |
Oct-02-09 08:30 PM |
#137 |
 
Are you drunk? |
bbinacan |
Oct-02-09 08:35 PM |
#140 |
 
Which one of those two accounts is the sock puppet, then? |
Ignis |
Oct-02-09 08:39 PM |
#143 |
 
You HAVE benefited for years. All of your life. now, it's time |
JanMichael |
Oct-02-09 08:13 PM |
#120 |
 
You lost me. Aren't humans animals? |
ShadesOfGrey |
Oct-02-09 09:25 PM |
#153 |
 
Bull-fucking-shit! nt |
Skip Intro |
Oct-02-09 10:35 PM |
#167 |

"Hate" is waaaaay too strong a word. I think they're funny fools who can get seriously out of line. |
Stinky The Clown |
Oct-02-09 06:56 PM |
#12 |
 
How are they "silly fringe?" |
JanMichael |
Oct-02-09 07:03 PM |
#19 |

You asked a question. You got my answer. |
Stinky The Clown |
Oct-02-09 07:21 PM |
#46 |

Silly fring is the idea that I am opressing my goldfish... |
Cid_B |
Oct-03-09 05:04 AM |
#205 |

I don't hate them at all. I do think, though, that some of the things |
Shell Beau |
Oct-02-09 06:59 PM |
#13 |
 
+1 |
redqueen |
Oct-02-09 07:00 PM |
#14 |
 
+2 |
JuniperLea |
Oct-02-09 07:48 PM |
#85 |
 
OP asked for an example - try the humane society |
paulsby |
Oct-02-09 07:57 PM |
#100 |

PETA's founder wants my entire profession to cease to exist, and |
kestrel91316 |
Oct-02-09 07:00 PM |
#15 |
 
Where do you find any evidence that they want "pets" to |
JanMichael |
Oct-02-09 07:06 PM |
#24 |
  
Right... |
MajorChode |
Oct-02-09 07:19 PM |
#43 |
  
here.... |
Lisa0825 |
Oct-02-09 07:40 PM |
#75 |
 
... |
whathehell |
Oct-02-09 07:12 PM |
#32 |
 
Hi Kestrel. Somehow I think the OP just wanted to watch a brawl. Btw, I like my pets and my vets.... |
Hekate |
Oct-02-09 07:37 PM |
#71 |
  
The "original OP" has a dog and cat (spoiled freaking rotten) |
JanMichael |
Oct-02-09 07:46 PM |
#81 |
 
Thanks for reminding me how your profession benefits from cruelty |
Critters2 |
Oct-02-09 10:49 PM |
#171 |

Have you ever seen what is done to animals at the universities |
merh |
Oct-03-09 01:10 AM |
#187 |

They are well-meaning and well-doing..."Fools"?...Only if you are ignorant |
whathehell |
Oct-02-09 07:01 PM |
#16 |

I worry more about the suffering of my own species |
AllentownJake |
Oct-02-09 07:06 PM |
#23 |
 
OK< so you are one of those "I can only think about one thing at a |
JanMichael |
Oct-02-09 07:07 PM |
#26 |
  
People around this nation are being kicked out of their house |
AllentownJake |
Oct-02-09 07:23 PM |
#51 |
   
Yep. And many of them are abandoning their pets in droves |
JanMichael |
Oct-02-09 07:47 PM |
#83 |
  
If that is where your passion is |
AllentownJake |
Oct-02-09 07:49 PM |
#88 |
  
you mean like the humane society? |
paulsby |
Oct-02-09 07:59 PM |
#103 |
  
Yep. It's the circle of compassion/empathy thing.... |
ShadesOfGrey |
Oct-02-09 09:31 PM |
#155 |
 
I think that goes hand in hand. Same as helping the earth be a better |
Shell Beau |
Oct-02-09 07:10 PM |
# |
  
+1 |
Zoeisright |
Oct-02-09 07:18 PM |
#40 |
   
Ha!! Thanks!! Little Diva she is! |
Shell Beau |
Oct-02-09 07:19 PM |
#44 |
  
Thing is the animals spend plenty of time destroying each other |
AllentownJake |
Oct-02-09 07:25 PM |
#54 |
 
That isn't what this is about. I eat meat, but there are humane ways |
Shell Beau |
Oct-02-09 07:27 PM |
#57 |
  
Don't disagree |
AllentownJake |
Oct-02-09 07:28 PM |
#61 |
 
That isn't exactly what you said, but I, too, am not worried about PETA. |
Shell Beau |
Oct-02-09 07:32 PM |
#64 |
  
I don't believe in cruelty |
AllentownJake |
Oct-02-09 07:34 PM |
#69 |
 
So did you care more about the animals, |
Big Blue Marble |
Oct-03-09 12:18 AM |
#179 |
 
I always wondered about that |
JuniperLea |
Oct-02-09 07:54 PM |
#95 |
 
I've seen a cat absolutely torture a mouse |
AllentownJake |
Oct-02-09 08:04 PM |
#107 |
 
But we as humans don't have to torture anything. |
Shell Beau |
Oct-02-09 08:07 PM |
#114 |
 
Agreed |
AllentownJake |
Oct-02-09 08:12 PM |
#118 |
 
so you don't think it's all connected? |
G_j |
Oct-02-09 07:16 PM |
#38 |

Enviromental protections |
AllentownJake |
Oct-02-09 07:21 PM |
#47 |

Your post exemplifies just one of the reasons why PETA gets a bad rap |
MajorChode |
Oct-02-09 07:10 PM |
#30 |
 
Uh huh. Did you read? I am not a member of PETA. |
JanMichael |
Oct-02-09 07:13 PM |
#35 |
  
Right... |
MajorChode |
Oct-02-09 07:24 PM |
#52 |
 
You are OK with tormented animals that live in filth, and then |
JanMichael |
Oct-02-09 10:24 PM |
#165 |
 
Cheap parlor tricks don't work on me, sonny |
MajorChode |
Oct-03-09 01:46 AM |
#194 |
 
Exactly. n/t |
bbinacan |
Oct-02-09 07:20 PM |
#45 |

UPDATE: interesting. Not ONE post here...not ONE. Including a veterianarian |
JanMichael |
Oct-02-09 07:10 PM |
#31 |
 
Try post #30, posted before your specious claim. Others have followed |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Oct-02-09 07:13 PM |
#34 |
  
Just responded |
JanMichael |
Oct-02-09 07:14 PM |
# |
 
I support the ASPCA. n/t |
tammywammy |
Oct-02-09 07:14 PM |
#36 |
 
Time to send up the flag |
MajorChode |
Oct-02-09 07:33 PM |
#66 |
  
Well said re: the "which organization does more" bullshit. |
redqueen |
Oct-02-09 08:03 PM |
#105 |
 
Ingrid Newkirk hasn't met a nut she didn't like |
MajorChode |
Oct-02-09 08:17 PM |
#125 |
 
Damn. It's bad enough that PETA keeps all its loonies around... |
redqueen |
Oct-02-09 08:24 PM |
#131 |
 
PETA gave his dad something like $25,000 |
Cid_B |
Oct-03-09 05:31 AM |
#206 |
 
Terrorism. Terrorism. Terrorism. |
Luminous Animal |
Oct-03-09 05:41 AM |
#208 |
 
Were you raised next door to a refinery? |
MajorChode |
Oct-03-09 12:58 PM |
#211 |
 
I know of two others |
whathehell |
Oct-03-09 11:50 AM |
#210 |

"One other org"? Here's 2: The ASPCA founded 1866; the Humane Society founded 1954... |
Hekate |
Oct-02-09 07:12 PM |
#33 |
 
And they haven't been all that successful against corporations |
JanMichael |
Oct-02-09 07:15 PM |
#37 |
  
No, they don't pull big stunts |
Confusious |
Oct-02-09 07:24 PM |
#53 |
 
See? Two great examples. And not a single "mmm, steak" reference! |
Ignis |
Oct-02-09 07:16 PM |
#39 |

They do some stupid stuff, but mostly, they are a very good org. |
liberalmuse |
Oct-02-09 07:18 PM |
#41 |
 
But there you go saying such things as flesh eaters and eating |
Shell Beau |
Oct-02-09 07:26 PM |
#56 |
 
Right in your post, the smug self-righteuos attitude of dead certainty you are correct |
Ikonoklast |
Oct-02-09 07:43 PM |
#77 |
 
Why do people hate PETA? |
Raineyb |
Oct-02-09 08:36 PM |
#141 |

yes, i really do hate them. |
dysfunctional press |
Oct-02-09 07:19 PM |
#42 |

I wouldn't take this crowd too seriously...Most seem to care more |
whathehell |
Oct-02-09 07:22 PM |
#48 |
 
We care |
Confusious |
Oct-02-09 07:27 PM |
#58 |

Scientist here...yeah, I'm not fond of them |
Zodiak |
Oct-02-09 07:22 PM |
#49 |
 
Beagle lover here. I've seen some of the harm "scientists" have done to |
Critters2 |
Oct-02-09 10:51 PM |
#172 |

You mean working to cure diseases? |
Zodiak |
Oct-03-09 09:35 AM |
#209 |

Actually, no. I do my best to avoid treatments that are a direct result of animal |
Critters2 |
Oct-03-09 08:10 PM |
#212 |

Their good work is over shadowed by their dumb campaigns for vegetarianism |
Matariki |
Oct-02-09 07:34 PM |
#68 |
 
So. Will you feel 100% comfortable when you eat your next |
JanMichael |
Oct-02-09 07:49 PM |
#87 |

If you think vegetarianism==enlightenment, you're an arrogant fool |
Matariki |
Oct-02-09 07:52 PM |
#91 |
 
Same reason you're going to burn in hell if you use the birth control pill. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-02-09 09:37 PM |
#158 |

No, because fried food isn't good for you. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-02-09 09:35 PM |
#157 |

I'll sleep like a baby NT |
Treo |
Oct-03-09 03:46 AM |
#203 |

I love this. |
flvegan |
Oct-02-09 07:41 PM |
#76 |
 
TOTALLY Agree ... |
Raine |
Oct-02-09 07:54 PM |
#97 |
 
Ummmm... |
GirlAfire |
Oct-02-09 08:09 PM |
#116 |
  
I don't think his girlfriend would like that. |
LeftyMom |
Oct-03-09 03:06 AM |
#202 |
 
You know why I keep telling it, right? |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Oct-02-09 08:17 PM |
#124 |

Because you love me so? |
flvegan |
Oct-02-09 08:40 PM |
#144 |

i'll name one - the humane society |
paulsby |
Oct-02-09 07:53 PM |
#94 |

Have they stopped euthanizing most of the animals they rescue? |
redqueen |
Oct-02-09 07:59 PM |
#102 |
 
No, and why would they? |
flvegan |
Oct-02-09 08:06 PM |
#112 |
 
Can we stop believing everything the CCF says? Please? |
Ignis |
Oct-02-09 08:51 PM |
#150 |

I hate peta |
backwoodsbob |
Oct-02-09 08:00 PM |
#104 |

I like peta when they document people who break the law or organizational rules |
aikoaiko |
Oct-02-09 08:05 PM |
#109 |
 
That's roughly the same as my position. |
Ignis |
Oct-02-09 08:44 PM |
#146 |

Sorry, we're still doing "sex police versus the phallic patriarchal paradigm". |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-02-09 08:05 PM |
#111 |

Anyone having some good vegan buttery topping to share? |
Gormy Cuss |
Oct-02-09 08:07 PM |
#115 |

It's like the right's obsessive hate for ACORN |
merh |
Oct-02-09 08:13 PM |
#119 |
 
That's what I think too |
JanMichael |
Oct-02-09 08:15 PM |
#123 |
  
He is doing good, I just took them to be groomed today |
merh |
Oct-02-09 08:18 PM |
#126 |
 
No, I don't hold PETA responsible for anything except what PETA has officially endorsed & done. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-02-09 08:20 PM |
#127 |
 
That's not really a good analogy, is it? |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Oct-02-09 08:22 PM |
#128 |

Yeah, its about the same |
merh |
Oct-02-09 08:30 PM |
#136 |

Whereas you overlook all the bad they do. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Oct-02-09 08:32 PM |
#138 |

I don't overlook it, I do realize they do good things too though. |
merh |
Oct-02-09 08:34 PM |
#139 |

Here's just a handful of quotes from the batshit insane Ingrid Newkirk.. |
Baikonour |
Oct-02-09 08:13 PM |
#121 |
 
Wow. Just wow. |
Hekate |
Oct-03-09 12:52 AM |
#184 |

delete |
merh |
Oct-02-09 08:15 PM |
#122 |

+1 |
stevedeshazer |
Oct-02-09 08:25 PM |
#133 |

I love Peta |
Libertas1776 |
Oct-02-09 08:27 PM |
#134 |

PETA Rocks! |
tekisui |
Oct-02-09 08:40 PM |
#145 |
 
a recognition in any degree |
G_j |
Oct-02-09 09:18 PM |
#152 |
 
Pet Rocks! |
Hekate |
Oct-03-09 12:49 AM |
#183 |
 
+1 |
alittlelark |
Oct-03-09 01:35 AM |
#191 |

Na. I don't hate them. But I will keep eating my home made burgers. |
southernyankeebelle |
Oct-02-09 08:44 PM |
#147 |

No, I do think it less than productive to attempt to shame people into supporting your position |
bridgit |
Oct-02-09 08:45 PM |
#148 |

A boy is a dog is a mouse is a spider is a bacteria - all are equal and antibiotics are evil |
stray cat |
Oct-02-09 08:50 PM |
#149 |
 
Harassing children of scientists and threatening to torch their houses and family |
stray cat |
Oct-02-09 08:51 PM |
#151 |

When did this PETA organization do that specifically? |
flvegan |
Oct-02-09 09:37 PM |
#159 |

I don't believe the ALF has ever done anything like that... |
armyowalgreens |
Oct-02-09 09:38 PM |
#160 |

I LOVE PETA |
Raine |
Oct-02-09 09:29 PM |
#154 |
 
+1 |
Arugula Latte |
Oct-03-09 08:13 PM |
#213 |

no I dont. |
Mari333 |
Oct-02-09 09:33 PM |
#156 |

I think they're insane if they think they're going to convert anyone to |
Arkana |
Oct-02-09 09:48 PM |
#161 |

I do. I hate how they promote their message on the backs of objectifying women and fat people. |
Brickbat |
Oct-02-09 09:50 PM |
#162 |

No. They're relatively harmless & often amusing. |
Vidar |
Oct-02-09 09:57 PM |
#163 |
 
The ignorance here is appalling. God bless PETA. |
1620rock |
Oct-02-09 10:22 PM |
#164 |

I'll second that. God Bless PETA! |
Skip Intro |
Oct-02-09 10:34 PM |
#166 |
 
I'm a proud member of PETA. nt |
Critters2 |
Oct-03-09 01:33 AM |
#190 |

Sorry if my joking offended you. I really have nothing against PETA. |
Vidar |
Oct-03-09 01:41 AM |
#193 |

Why does it surprise you? They do it to themselves. |
Prism |
Oct-02-09 10:43 PM |
#168 |

I don't hate PETA... |
cynatnite |
Oct-02-09 10:45 PM |
#169 |

I don't hate them. They mean well, but they sound like crybabies sometimes |
bluestateguy |
Oct-02-09 10:46 PM |
#170 |

I am PETA. A card carrying member for years, now. nt |
Critters2 |
Oct-02-09 10:54 PM |
#174 |

One of the key ways to judge an organization.... |
Cid_B |
Oct-02-09 11:00 PM |
#175 |

The television tells me to. (n/t) |
Iggo |
Oct-02-09 11:26 PM |
#177 |

PETA annoys me. |
Arkana |
Oct-02-09 11:52 PM |
#178 |

One organization. The National Parks Service. |
Touchdown |
Oct-03-09 12:22 AM |
#180 |

Why I hate Peta |
Treo |
Oct-03-09 12:33 AM |
#182 |
 
CCF propaganda. |
Critters2 |
Oct-03-09 01:32 AM |
#189 |

Was the vet that they interviewed lying? |
Treo |
Oct-03-09 01:40 AM |
#192 |

They were fired well before they were convicted. |
Critters2 |
Oct-03-09 01:48 AM |
#195 |

They may have been fired |
Treo |
Oct-03-09 01:59 AM |
#196 |

You're cruel to animals because you think it hurts PETA? |
Critters2 |
Oct-03-09 02:08 AM |
#197 |

I'm sorry where did I say I was cruel to animals? |
Treo |
Oct-03-09 02:56 AM |
#198 |

I suppose these guys are bergman plants as well NT |
Treo |
Oct-03-09 04:01 AM |
#204 |

Really, no. Not personally nor do I hate ACORN |
Rex |
Oct-03-09 03:02 AM |
#200 |

I think some of their ad campaigns are counter productive |
spiritual_gunfighter |
Oct-03-09 03:04 AM |
#201 |

this thread useless without |
backwoodsbob |
Oct-03-09 05:31 AM |
#207 |