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Thu Oct-01-09 11:40 PM
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| 58. Logistics will be very very very very very very expensive. |
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Most organizations who don't have a field deployment MASSIVELY under estimate the TCO (total cost of ownership).
You have the laptop hardware and software and that is NEGLIBLE. This is why companies don't care about paying for windows. The hardware and software is the tiniest part of the software cost.
Just some components:
1) Hardware 2) Software 3) Damaged Equipment - Repairs 4) Damaged Equipments - Obtaining parts (sometimes machines reach end of life how do you deal w/ no more parts? Now you have 2 models in field everything got 3x as complicated) 4) Lost Equipment 5) Helpdesk for troubleshooting daily issues 6) Software support. Testing upgrade. Adobe Flash upgrade does it break requires functionality. Now imagine that for every upgrade of every app, the OS, every plugin, everything 7) Maintenance depot. 8) Training
Most people look at laptop hardware costs of say $600 and say hey that would be cheap. Cost is more like $500 - $2000 per machine PER YEAR for life assuming hardware upgrade every 3 years.
$2000 * 1 million students = $2 billion * 12 years (K-12) = $24 billion.
Now it can be done. My previous employer was one of the best for whole lifecycle maintenance & support for pharma clients. It isn't as cheap as most people assume though.
Will we get there someday? Sure but it will take some real dollars. In the interm something like Amazon Kindle (maybe a hardened one) would be better solution.
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| -Should schools abandon textbooks and instead have laptops for each student |
greenbriar |
Oct-01-09 07:34 PM |
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No. In my experience, technology tends to distract from learning, not enhance it. |
anonymous171 |
Oct-01-09 07:35 PM |
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most of those books are obsolete by |
mzteris |
Oct-01-09 07:36 PM |
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Depends on the subject. nt |
anonymous171 |
Oct-01-09 07:38 PM |
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I said "most" |
mzteris |
Oct-02-09 12:00 AM |
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Yes, at least the students would get current information. |
muntrv |
Oct-01-09 07:37 PM |
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Until you're in graduate school, the content is almost completely unchanging... |
BlooInBloo |
Oct-01-09 08:00 PM |
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History need updating |
greenbriar |
Oct-01-09 08:02 PM |
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(shrug) From now to 1999 is aboutt what - .00000001% of history? |
BlooInBloo |
Oct-01-09 08:03 PM |
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Couldn't they buy a supplemental book that covers the last few years? |
tammywammy |
Oct-01-09 09:38 PM |
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Few history classes concern themselves with the last ten years. nt |
Codeine |
Oct-01-09 10:16 PM |
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If grade school and high school text books are priced anything like those at the college level |
Telly Savalas |
Oct-01-09 07:37 PM |
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Yes, stop early and severe damage to young spines |
HereSince1628 |
Oct-01-09 07:38 PM |
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"Sever damage to young spines." Nonsense. |
Codeine |
Oct-01-09 10:21 PM |
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my issue with laptops |
tabbycat31 |
Oct-01-09 07:40 PM |
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In the case you describe |
customerserviceguy |
Oct-01-09 09:15 PM |
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we can at school |
greenbriar |
Oct-01-09 09:35 PM |
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Your district can filter the content. n/t |
madeline_con |
Oct-01-09 10:15 PM |
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I think Apple has this in mind for their upcoming tablet Mac. They have been talking to publishers. |
onehandle |
Oct-01-09 07:41 PM |
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Well, they may have to lower their prices then. |
anonymous171 |
Oct-01-09 07:43 PM |
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How 1996 of you. |
onehandle |
Oct-01-09 07:55 PM |
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Umm, I just checked on their website, everything is still as overpriced as I remembered. nt |
anonymous171 |
Oct-01-09 07:58 PM |
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Well I checked other websites and see that they are not overpriced. |
onehandle |
Oct-01-09 08:01 PM |
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Schools do not pay retail for Apple computers. |
Codeine |
Oct-01-09 10:18 PM |
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Ah I see. |
anonymous171 |
Oct-01-09 10:22 PM |
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Apple tried this more than a decade ago, |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Oct-01-09 07:44 PM |
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Steve Ballmer predicted that the iMac, iPhone, and Apple Stores would fail. |
onehandle |
Oct-01-09 07:52 PM |
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No, but my iBook sure failed - more times than I could count |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Oct-01-09 07:53 PM |
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And yet they have the highest satisfaction and customer service ratings. |
onehandle |
Oct-01-09 08:00 PM |
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You will pry my Macbook off my cold dead hands |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-01-09 10:19 PM |
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They should have done the poll at the Fucktard Bar at South Coast Plaza |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Oct-02-09 03:42 PM |
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Of course he did, he works for the other guy. nt |
anonymous171 |
Oct-01-09 07:54 PM |
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Well, computers can give you updated info, but then again the book batteries last longer. |
GreenPartyVoter |
Oct-01-09 07:42 PM |
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The book itself lasts longer as well. |
anonymous171 |
Oct-01-09 07:44 PM |
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Is there a laptop made that a third grader couldn't destroy in thirty seconds? |
Fumesucker |
Oct-01-09 07:44 PM |
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This one comes close |
Ms. Toad |
Oct-01-09 07:58 PM |
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That looks interesting.. Thanks for posting.. n/t |
Fumesucker |
Oct-01-09 08:11 PM |
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Laptops might be too expensive... what about something like a 100Gb flash drive? |
cherokeeprogressive |
Oct-01-09 07:44 PM |
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There are a lot of potential problems |
fujiyama |
Oct-01-09 07:49 PM |
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If you think textbooks are expensive now, wait until they go digital. |
girl gone mad |
Oct-01-09 11:55 PM |
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I believe they are already doing that. |
anonymous171 |
Oct-02-09 12:06 AM |
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Smart boards and electronic whiteboards are far better teaching tools |
Robb |
Oct-01-09 07:52 PM |
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I have a smart board, an air liner and use United Streaming |
greenbriar |
Oct-01-09 08:01 PM |
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Our district is heavy into Promethean boards these days |
Robb |
Oct-01-09 08:05 PM |
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No. |
LostInAnomie |
Oct-01-09 07:53 PM |
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No. Kids need to read. Nothing has yet replaced a book for ease of reading. |
JBoy |
Oct-01-09 07:56 PM |
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My daughter votes with a resounding no |
exboyfil |
Oct-01-09 07:57 PM |
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(shrug) Whatever. Which information conduit one uses doesn't matter all that much... |
BlooInBloo |
Oct-01-09 08:02 PM |
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If they offer me a brand new Apple MacBook Pro, with free upgrades every year for 5 years, then yes. |
Swamp Rat |
Oct-01-09 08:02 PM |
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It works |
teach1st |
Oct-01-09 08:11 PM |
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A kindle-type reader with a stylus |
rucky |
Oct-01-09 09:37 PM |
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No. Reading a book is different than reading a computer. Any more illiteracy and we might as well |
omega minimo |
Oct-01-09 09:43 PM |
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I think someting like a Kindle or other book reader |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-01-09 09:45 PM |
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Agreed. My daughters school bag must weigh 30 lbs...... |
piratefish08 |
Oct-02-09 03:46 PM |
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The first thought that comes to my mind |
SheilaT |
Oct-01-09 10:12 PM |
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I don't think it's a good idea |
ecstatic |
Oct-01-09 10:14 PM |
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I think if a teacher varied instruction and provided a plethora of resources |
greenbriar |
Oct-01-09 10:17 PM |
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If you came up with whatever combination leaves students with a vocabulary |
omega minimo |
Oct-01-09 10:48 PM |
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I love it |
proud2BlibKansan |
Oct-01-09 10:17 PM |
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Textbooks will never be free, ever. |
anonymous171 |
Oct-01-09 10:20 PM |
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No. Never. Books are basic. That's it. |
omega minimo |
Oct-01-09 10:49 PM |
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All X will be on the new medium, that's what they said about music |
MadHound |
Oct-01-09 11:18 PM |
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That technology is not as integrated into education as it should be is a travesty. |
Odin2005 |
Oct-01-09 11:21 PM |
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Logistics will be very very very very very very expensive. |
Statistical |
Oct-01-09 11:40 PM |
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