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208. "Parents neurotically worried about kids cause a diagnosis of autism."
You'll totally have more fun with that one, it has a lot more twists and turns.
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  -Natalie Morton died from large chest tumour, NOT hpv vaccine uppityperson  Oct-01-09 04:23 PM   #0 
  - anti-vaccers: GARDASIL CAUSES LARGE CHEST TUMORS!11!  HiFructosePronSyrup   Oct-01-09 04:24 PM   #1 
  - within HOURS!!!!! must've been the fast acting vaxxcinn  uppityperson   Oct-01-09 04:26 PM   #3 
  - Well....  cliffordu   Oct-02-09 10:58 AM   #121 
  - You have the logic of them pegged.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-02-09 03:57 PM   #133 
  - oooh, did Big Pharma get to the NHS people too?  AngryAmish   Oct-01-09 04:25 PM   #2 
  - Antivaxers were too quick to leap on this one  Warpy   Oct-01-09 04:26 PM   #4 
  - who are you calling "anti-vaxers"? I'm just curious. Do you mean those DU'ers with an issue  KittyWampus   Oct-01-09 04:53 PM   #17 
     - Oh Kitty, don't you know?  kimmerspixelated   Oct-01-09 05:02 PM   #25 
     - Oh kimmer, don't you know? There's a lot of people involved with dichotmous thinking, some of us see  uppityperson   Oct-01-09 05:07 PM   #31 
        - Well, my experience has been that some of you  kimmerspixelated   Oct-01-09 05:14 PM   #39 
           - I understand that people have concerns about this vaccine. However, there are those  uppityperson   Oct-01-09 07:10 PM   #85 
     - Yup  HiFructosePronSyrup   Oct-01-09 05:06 PM   #30 
     - Yeah, and it was approved under Bush's FDA...  joeybee12   Oct-01-09 05:18 PM   #40 
     - Antivaxers are fanatics who jump on a sudden death after a vaccination  Warpy   Oct-01-09 05:57 PM   #56 
     - Thank you, that is a very good definition. eom  uppityperson   Oct-01-09 06:50 PM   #74 
     - Well, I have trouble with the vaccination mainly because it was approved  joeybee12   Oct-01-09 06:51 PM   #75 
        - It was barely approved  Warpy   Oct-01-09 07:05 PM   #82 
        - But you also had an FDA owned by Big Pharma...did they ignore  joeybee12   Oct-01-09 07:17 PM   #89 
           - At some point you need to realize the testing has been done  Warpy   Oct-02-09 11:25 AM   #123 
              - I'm sorry if any questioning is construed as whining...  joeybee12   Oct-02-09 05:50 PM   #139 
                 - Odd how you seemed to miss a few things  Warpy   Oct-03-09 08:24 AM   #158 
        - This is about the UK; the Bush administration and FDA were not involved here  LeftishBrit   Oct-02-09 10:51 AM   #118 
           - Did I say anything here...did you see me post anything about that  joeybee12   Oct-02-09 06:08 PM   #142 
              - My point was...  LeftishBrit   Oct-03-09 11:10 AM   #162 
     - Who should it be marketed to? The elderly??  kestrel91316   Oct-01-09 07:37 PM   #98 
        - Women over twenty. The ones who would actually benefit from it.  KittyWampus   Oct-02-09 10:32 AM   #117 
           - For most of them, it would be too late to benefit. by then  LeftishBrit   Oct-02-09 10:53 AM   #119 
           - the FACT is younger women's bodies spontaneously rid themselves of the virus.  KittyWampus   Oct-02-09 02:03 PM   #125 
              - ALL of them? Then why do so many women get cervical cancer?  LeftishBrit   Oct-02-09 02:09 PM   #129 
              - Actually, cervical cancer is a rare disease now, thanks to the success of pap smears.  pnwmom   Oct-02-09 06:27 PM   #147 
                 - They are available to all women in Britain...  LeftishBrit   Oct-03-09 10:57 AM   #161 
              - "There are 9 billion bicycles in Beijing, that's a FACT". Link to proof of assertion?  uppityperson   Oct-03-09 05:02 PM   #169 
              - Kitty, No, Not true. Sorry.  boppers   Oct-03-09 10:33 PM   #187 
                 - Thank you. There is a lot of confusion about all this, coupled with fears  uppityperson   Oct-03-09 10:36 PM   #188 
           - Women under twenty don't have sex in your world?  HiFructosePronSyrup   Oct-02-09 10:54 AM   #120 
           - How ignorant can any DU'er be? It's been posted ad naseum that younger women DO NOT NEED THE VACCINE  KittyWampus   Oct-02-09 02:05 PM   #126 
              - Then why do YOUNG women sometimes get cervical cancer?  LeftishBrit   Oct-02-09 02:10 PM   #130 
              - link to that "fact"?  uppityperson   Oct-03-09 05:03 PM   #171 
           - Excuse me?  Warpy   Oct-02-09 11:31 AM   #124 
              - YOU are the one who is totally ignoring reality. YOUNG WOMEN"S BODIES RID THEMSELVES OF THE VIRUS  KittyWampus   Oct-02-09 02:07 PM   #128 
                 - Screeching in all caps doesn't do you any good  Warpy   Oct-02-09 02:57 PM   #131 
                 - All women's bodies will rid themselves of the virus some percentage of the time.  Maru Kitteh   Oct-02-09 03:30 PM   #132 
                 - What percentage and of which strains?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-02-09 04:00 PM   #134 
                 - LINK  uppityperson   Oct-03-09 05:03 PM   #170 
                 - There is no such thing as "THE VIRUS".  boppers   Oct-03-09 10:39 PM   #189 
                    - aw, come on, it's a "medical FACT"!!!1111  uppityperson   Oct-03-09 10:56 PM   #191 
  - I guess you can't pay a pathology dept. to say she died from a tumor.  valerief   Oct-01-09 04:29 PM   #5 
  - If it's not a lie she died from a large chest tumor, then it's.....unclear?  uppityperson   Oct-01-09 04:31 PM   #6 
  - pls put me on ignore  valerief   Oct-01-09 05:59 PM   #58 
     - Naw, you can just ignore us instead. "fingers in ears, lalalalalala" Best of luck.  uppityperson   Oct-01-09 06:51 PM   #76 
  - Oh geez.  LeftyMom   Oct-01-09 04:35 PM   #8 
  - pls put me on ignore  valerief   Oct-01-09 05:59 PM   #59 
     - No.  LeftyMom   Oct-02-09 12:22 AM   #113 
  - Are you accusing the pathologist of accepting a bribe to fake the postmortem  kestrel91316   Oct-01-09 04:35 PM   #9 
  - he/she is not calling it a lie, just saying doesn't believe it is the truth, see?  uppityperson   Oct-01-09 04:37 PM   #10 
  - pls put me on ignore  valerief   Oct-01-09 06:00 PM   #62 
     - I think you have it backwards. If you ignore us, then you don't have to see us anymore  uppityperson   Oct-01-09 07:11 PM   #86 
        - He just doesn't want us calling him on his crazy bullshit anymore. n/t  Ian David   Oct-01-09 09:06 PM   #109 
  - pls put me on ignore  valerief   Oct-01-09 05:59 PM   #60 
     - Kindly bite me. Your outrageous statements will NOT get a pass from me.  kestrel91316   Oct-01-09 07:29 PM   #93 
  - You need help. n/t  Ian David   Oct-01-09 04:42 PM   #12 
  - pls put me on ignore  valerief   Oct-01-09 06:00 PM   #61 
     - No. I want to observe your self-destruction out of morbid curiosity. n/t  Ian David   Oct-01-09 09:05 PM   #108 
  - And so works the mind of a conspiracy theorist. Assume everything is a lie.  armyowalgreens   Oct-01-09 06:16 PM   #64 
  - Those were some quick-moving goalposts. nt  Robb   Oct-01-09 08:04 PM   #102 
  - Oh FFS, you sound just like the birthers.  LeftishBrit   Oct-02-09 11:00 AM   #122 
  - that tumor NEVER would have killed her if she hadn't got the vaccine.  kestrel91316   Oct-01-09 04:33 PM   #7 
  - Yes, apparently guardasil should now be contraindicated  northzax   Oct-03-09 11:15 AM   #163 
  - You know, Rick Perry's cousin was also vaccinated.  Ian David   Oct-01-09 04:42 PM   #11 
  - Of course, the goalposts will be moved to claim this either isn't the case or doesn't matter. (nt)  Posteritatis   Oct-01-09 04:43 PM   #13 
  - "THE schoolgirl who died after ..." I've never heard of her. However, she's not THE only person  mzmolly   Oct-01-09 04:45 PM   #14 
  - link?  uppityperson   Oct-01-09 04:50 PM   #15 
  - Sure.  mzmolly   Oct-01-09 04:59 PM   #20 
     - "The vaccine has been linked to 32 unconfirmed deaths". Oh Kay.  uppityperson   Oct-01-09 05:04 PM   #28 
        - More importantly ...  mzmolly   Oct-01-09 05:08 PM   #32 
        - But the bottom line seems to be this (from the same link):  pnwmom   Oct-01-09 11:41 PM   #111 
           - So more women are having "serious adverse events" than get cervical cancer?  uppityperson   Oct-02-09 01:06 AM   #115 
              - Read the whole article then. That is what she's saying. n/t  pnwmom   Oct-02-09 02:11 AM   #116 
  - Just because something happens, and then a little later something else happens, doesn't  Liquorice   Oct-01-09 04:51 PM   #16 
  - Gosh, I've never heard that before. Does that apply to the fact that this isolated case may not be  mzmolly   Oct-01-09 04:59 PM   #19 
     - There are some risks with all vaccines, but the risk is very low. nt  Liquorice   Oct-01-09 05:00 PM   #22 
     - Apparenlty you missed the quote from Diane Harper?  mzmolly   Oct-01-09 05:03 PM   #26 
        - Is this the same Diane Harper who said  Liquorice   Oct-01-09 05:09 PM   #34 
        - I wonder if it is the same person. Quotes taken out of context or???  uppityperson   Oct-01-09 05:10 PM   #36 
        - Same person,  mzmolly   Oct-01-09 05:22 PM   #43 
        - Yes in July of 2008 she's quoted as saying what you note. And, In August of 2009  mzmolly   Oct-01-09 05:22 PM   #42 
        - Looks like in 2007 she was not for it either.  uppityperson   Oct-01-09 07:04 PM   #81 
           - Right. She NEVER approved it for use in that age group.  mzmolly   Oct-01-09 07:06 PM   #84 
              - More of what she wrote...8/8/08  uppityperson   Oct-01-09 07:22 PM   #90 
                 - I can't think of a thing I disagree with. I always find her reasonable in her  mzmolly   Oct-01-09 07:25 PM   #91 
                    - Trying to wade through the fun snark here, from all sides.  uppityperson   Oct-01-09 07:32 PM   #95 
                    - HPV Vaccine Deemed Safe and Effective, Despite Reports of Adverse Events  uppityperson   Oct-01-09 07:39 PM   #99 
                       - I can't open the link.  mzmolly   Oct-01-09 08:02 PM   #101 
                          - I had to register to do it, but figure it will serve me good in the long run  uppityperson   Oct-01-09 08:05 PM   #103 
                             - I think I have an account  mzmolly   Oct-01-09 08:33 PM   #107 
        - Yes. She revised her opinion after obtaining new information.  pnwmom   Oct-01-09 05:25 PM   #45 
           - Exactly. This thread shows that. Even when proven the shot didn't kill her, some don't believe it.  uppityperson   Oct-01-09 07:12 PM   #87 
              - Bingo!  trotsky   Oct-01-09 07:40 PM   #100 
              - I believe it, for what it's worth. In fact, I expected that some of those  pnwmom   Oct-01-09 11:44 PM   #112 
                 - Here is a quote about the real risk.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-02-09 05:47 PM   #137 
                    - Cervical cancer cases are also very rare, thanks to annual pap smears.  pnwmom   Oct-02-09 06:06 PM   #141 
                       - The developer is ignorant or lying then. 772 adverse reactions total vs. 4000 deaths a year.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-02-09 06:10 PM   #143 
                       - You're comparing apples and oranges. The 23 million doses were received  pnwmom   Oct-02-09 06:24 PM   #146 
                          - "serious adverse effects from the vaccine are more common than cervical cancer cases."? No  uppityperson   Oct-03-09 05:11 PM   #174 
                             - Yes, according to Diane Harper, the developer of the HPV vaccine.  pnwmom   Oct-03-09 05:53 PM   #176 
                                - ah. And since she therefor says 4600  uppityperson   Oct-03-09 08:29 PM   #180 
                                - 4600 is less than 722 is what it said, html code canceled last bit  uppityperson   Oct-03-09 10:06 PM   #183 
                                - 4600 can't be simply compared to 722 without taking into account the different  pnwmom   Oct-03-09 11:46 PM   #198 
                                   - And there would be a further decline if cancer didn't happen at all.  uppityperson   Oct-04-09 01:06 AM   #204 
                                      - Pap smears catch the vast majority of cellular changes in the cervix before  pnwmom   Oct-04-09 01:31 AM   #206 
                                      - and wouldn't it be nice if those cellular changes were decreased?  uppityperson   Oct-04-09 04:09 PM   #210 
                                      - I'm sure you know that links to that assertion have been provided dozens of times  pnwmom   Oct-04-09 09:55 PM   #211 
                                      - Being a mind reader is difficult and you are wrong.  uppityperson   Oct-05-09 12:31 AM   #213 
                                      - I still can't believe that someone as well informed as you are  pnwmom   Oct-05-09 01:43 AM   #214 
                                      - hahahahahaha. you slay me. As a nurse who does paps, & has had a class 2 myself,  uppityperson   Oct-05-09 04:00 PM   #217 
                                - She is not "the developer" of the vaccine. You attempt an appeal to authority that doesn't exist.  Maru Kitteh   Oct-04-09 12:32 AM   #202 
                       - 4070 deaths, 11,270 new cases 2009 is "very rare"? Bull. 12/day is "rare"?  uppityperson   Oct-03-09 05:09 PM   #172 
        - I see that quote in that article, wonder where they got it from.  uppityperson   Oct-01-09 07:29 PM   #94 
           - Looks to me like ABC got the quote directly from her? They interviewed several medical pros.  mzmolly   Oct-01-09 08:32 PM   #106 
              - This is the most accurate quote in the article.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-02-09 05:46 PM   #136 
                 - So says you.  mzmolly   Oct-02-09 07:45 PM   #148 
                    - You are free to.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-02-09 11:08 PM   #151 
                       - Thank  mzmolly   Oct-02-09 11:39 PM   #153 
                          - I agree that real concerns should be investigated.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-02-09 11:45 PM   #154 
                             - As do I. And any death  mzmolly   Oct-03-09 12:10 AM   #155 
                                - The girl in the story died 18 days after the vaccination.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-03-09 10:55 AM   #160 
                                   - As I've indicated  mzmolly   Oct-03-09 04:26 PM   #166 
                                      - Who said it should be assumed in any case?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-03-09 08:22 PM   #178 
                                         - Those who call anyone who discusses  mzmolly   Oct-03-09 09:55 PM   #181 
                                            - Where was that in the article, I missed that?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-03-09 09:58 PM   #182 
                                               - It's the overwhelming  mzmolly   Oct-03-09 10:08 PM   #184 
                                               - You said the article not this thread. That explains the confusion.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-03-09 10:12 PM   #185 
                                               - I'm sorry you were confused.  mzmolly   Oct-03-09 10:32 PM   #186 
                                               - I wasn't confused. I was excusing your mistake in a nice way.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-03-09 10:53 PM   #190 
                                               - Had I made a mistake,  mzmolly   Oct-03-09 11:30 PM   #196 
                                               - Post # 166 you said the article, then in post # 184 you said the threads here.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-03-09 11:35 PM   #197 
                                               - The conversation evolved.  mzmolly   Oct-04-09 01:20 AM   #205 
                                               - Take care.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-04-09 01:35 AM   #207 
                                               - You as well  mzmolly   Oct-04-09 02:12 PM   #209 
     - I never have understood how there is a confirmed link that is an unconfirmed death.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-02-09 05:43 PM   #135 
     - And I don't understand  mzmolly   Oct-02-09 07:47 PM   #149 
     - You can bet the vaxers  StarryNite   Oct-03-09 05:10 PM   #173 
        - Show where that has happened. One case here. Can't, can you  uppityperson   Oct-03-09 08:27 PM   #179 
  - Exactly!  kimmerspixelated   Oct-01-09 04:55 PM   #18 
     - a vaccine can cause a "large malignant tumor in the chest" within hours? Seriously?  uppityperson   Oct-01-09 04:59 PM   #21 
     - No but given she had a pre-existing condition,  mzmolly   Oct-01-09 05:00 PM   #23 
     - I didn't say anything about the tumors being caused by anything.  kimmerspixelated   Oct-01-09 05:05 PM   #29 
        - My apologies. Please clarify what you mean by "Three, if the vaccine was the culprit, and from what  uppityperson   Oct-01-09 05:09 PM   #33 
           - The vaccine might've been the culprit  kimmerspixelated   Oct-01-09 05:12 PM   #37 
              - What do you mean?  uppityperson   Oct-01-09 05:12 PM   #38 
              - The cause of death was the LARGE MALIGNANT TUMOR.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-02-09 06:11 PM   #144 
     - Pap smears detect cancer; they don't prevent it  REP   Oct-01-09 05:02 PM   #24 
     - Good for you.  kimmerspixelated   Oct-01-09 05:10 PM   #35 
     - Really. Love to see your facts on that  REP   Oct-01-09 05:21 PM   #41 
        - But the vax is being mandated for girls  mzmolly   Oct-01-09 05:24 PM   #44 
           - Yes.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Oct-01-09 05:27 PM   #46 
           - You should really inform yourself a bit before commenting.  mzmolly   Oct-01-09 05:31 PM   #49 
              - I've heard it all before.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Oct-01-09 05:32 PM   #50 
                 - I'm sure the scientist will be moved by your highly intelligent, evidence based  mzmolly   Oct-01-09 05:49 PM   #53 
                    - Maybe.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Oct-01-09 05:55 PM   #55 
           - Because once you've been exposed to HPV, the vaccine isn't effective any more.  LeftishBrit   Oct-01-09 05:30 PM   #48 
              - The researcher who developed the vaccine never agreed that it  mzmolly   Oct-01-09 05:33 PM   #51 
              - Wrong vaccine.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Oct-01-09 05:58 PM   #57 
                 - Wrong vaccine my arse!  mzmolly   Oct-01-09 06:13 PM   #63 
                    - Harper worked on gardasil.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Oct-01-09 06:16 PM   #66 
                       - And she worked on CERVARIX.  mzmolly   Oct-01-09 06:43 PM   #71 
                          - link?  HiFructosePronSyrup   Oct-01-09 06:49 PM   #73 
                             - Sure.  mzmolly   Oct-01-09 07:00 PM   #79 
              - It's mandatory in the US, if you are trying to get citizenship  HipChick   Oct-03-09 11:49 PM   #199 
     - My best friend had cervical cancer, but she didn't encourage her daughter to get the vaccine.  pnwmom   Oct-01-09 06:38 PM   #69 
     - This is a good point  northzax   Oct-03-09 11:37 AM   #164 
     - A "holocaust"? Really?  trotsky   Oct-01-09 06:44 PM   #72 
     - I missed the "this is a holocaust in it's own right" statement. thanks for pointing it out  uppityperson   Oct-01-09 06:57 PM   #77 
     - 79% of statistics are made up on the spot.  LeftyMom   Oct-02-09 12:24 AM   #114 
  - Butbutbut...the Daily Fail said...! (nt)  redqueen   Oct-01-09 05:04 PM   #27 
  - Great! Now what about the other 31 deaths? And the other unexplained  pnwmom   Oct-01-09 05:28 PM   #47 
  - Wrong vaccine.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Oct-01-09 05:37 PM   #52 
  - What exactly does someone stand to gain  Chemisse   Oct-01-09 06:16 PM   #65 
     - Lots of woo woos like to sell books, snake oil, and other paraphenalia.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Oct-01-09 06:20 PM   #67 
     - So you see no shades of gray here?  Chemisse   Oct-01-09 07:01 PM   #80 
        - Not really, no.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Oct-01-09 07:14 PM   #88 
     - Indeed.  pnwmom   Oct-01-09 06:30 PM   #68 
     - That's exactly how I feel - about being well-informed consumers  Chemisse   Oct-01-09 06:41 PM   #70 
     - I pointed that out about the Bush FDA approving this...  joeybee12   Oct-01-09 07:05 PM   #83 
        - The Bush FDA weren't involved in this at all - because it wasn't in America.  LeftishBrit   Oct-03-09 04:47 PM   #168 
     - Self-righteousness and an irrational distrust of science.  Donald Ian Rankin   Oct-01-09 07:35 PM   #96 
  - What "31 other deaths"? And yes, I agree that this may help them not feel so guilty.  uppityperson   Oct-01-09 07:00 PM   #78 
  - There were a few that involved embolisms.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Oct-01-09 07:26 PM   #92 
     - Were these "deaths after vx so must be from vx" type things? Wonder if any ate pickles.  uppityperson   Oct-01-09 07:35 PM   #97 
        - Correct, they have only been associated with, not proven to have caused  pnwmom   Oct-01-09 11:36 PM   #110 
           - Hard to investigate.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-02-09 05:55 PM   #140 
              - It could be investigated if necessary.  pnwmom   Oct-02-09 06:16 PM   #145 
                 - Anywhere from 1 - 10% of vaccine reactions are reported to VAERS  mzmolly   Oct-02-09 09:00 PM   #150 
                 - Talking to my internist's nurse about vaccines today, I was happy to hear  pnwmom   Oct-03-09 01:55 AM   #157 
                    - I'm glad your Dr. is reasonable. It seems many medical pros are? I've heard about HepB.  mzmolly   Oct-03-09 04:31 PM   #167 
                 - How would we investigate this woman's death and come to a indisputable conclusion?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-02-09 11:24 PM   #152 
                    - Autopsies determine the cause of death every day.  pnwmom   Oct-03-09 01:50 AM   #156 
                       - THIS woman's death was undetermined. Do you propose exhuming her body?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-03-09 10:52 AM   #159 
                          - How did they find out about the large chest tumor then? They must have done  pnwmom   Oct-03-09 05:43 PM   #175 
                             - Please follow along. We are talking about the woman in the ABC story post #140.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-03-09 08:17 PM   #177 
                             - Merck should be following up every death with an offer to pay for an autopsy.  pnwmom   Oct-03-09 11:26 PM   #195 
                                - If you repeat something often enough in a reply to yourself, does it become true? nt  uppityperson   Oct-04-09 12:25 AM   #201 
  - The 31 unconfirmed deaths?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-02-09 05:49 PM   #138 
  - Did ANYONE know about this tumor beforehand?  rocktivity   Oct-01-09 05:49 PM   #54 
  - A clear case of post hoc reasoning.  alarimer   Oct-01-09 08:12 PM   #104 
  - betcha if I posted "hpv causes death" would get a lot more recs also.  uppityperson   Oct-01-09 08:15 PM   #105 
     - "Parents neurotically worried about kids cause a diagnosis of autism."  boppers   Oct-04-09 02:22 AM   #208 
  - It's good that this has come out  JonQ   Oct-02-09 02:06 PM   #127 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-03-09 03:29 PM   #165 
  - *sure* she did ....uh-huh......  Mind_your_head   Oct-03-09 10:57 PM   #192 
     - Are you accusing the pathologist of lying?  uppityperson   Oct-03-09 10:59 PM   #193 
        - Very 'scientific' of the pathologist to just say she "had a large chest tumor"  Mind_your_head   Oct-03-09 11:07 PM   #194 
           - Have you ever noticed that they often don't give specifics, perhaps due to privacy considerations?  uppityperson   Oct-04-09 12:23 AM   #200 
           - !  Maru Kitteh   Oct-04-09 12:43 AM   #203 
           - Where? In the chest.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Oct-04-09 09:58 PM   #212 
           - How would one's education go "down the (republican?) toilet" in the UK?  LeftyMom   Oct-05-09 02:00 AM   #215 
           - Down the Republican toilet?  LeftishBrit   Oct-05-09 06:45 AM   #216 
 

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