| 106. That can't be true. All the art snobs are in here defending the shit out of it. |
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Or... if it IS true (which I am curious about... source?) maybe they consider all Playboy photo shoots art? I would not be the slightest bit surprised.
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| -Tate Modern to display nude picture of 10-year-old Brooke Shields Alongside Pornographic Images |
Cash_thatswhatiwant |
Sep-30-09 02:17 AM |
#0 |
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Ah, once upon a time artists could shock the public by painting the sky the wrong color. |
Matariki |
Sep-30-09 02:20 AM |
#1 |
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I laughed at that response. Thanks. |
Hoopla Phil |
Sep-30-09 02:51 AM |
#3 |
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True... |
Dorian Gray |
Oct-01-09 05:14 AM |
#82 |
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The verbal gymnastics of the curators remind me of the justifications for ... |
Hekate |
Sep-30-09 02:51 AM |
#2 |
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This is fairly par for the course for shit at the Tate Modern |
WildEyedLiberal |
Sep-30-09 03:13 PM |
#9 |
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It's the "Emperor's New Clothes" line of thinking |
XemaSab |
Sep-30-09 05:43 PM |
#40 |
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Épater la bourgeoisie is really played out by this point in the art game... |
mitchum |
Oct-01-09 04:09 PM |
#149 |
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and once again, I say.. Where was her MOTHER? |
SoCalDem |
Sep-30-09 03:30 PM |
#13 |
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She was right there when the picture was being taken |
WeDidIt |
Sep-30-09 03:57 PM |
#19 |
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Ms. Sheilds seems to be a very good mother to her own children |
Maru Kitteh |
Sep-30-09 11:33 PM |
#61 |
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Brooke Shields was never nude in Pretty Baby in the bath scene she was |
Monk06 |
Oct-01-09 04:42 AM |
#79 |
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And that makes a difference how? |
MrModerate |
Oct-01-09 04:48 AM |
#80 |
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The on set photos for Pretty Baby were published in Playboy in the Seventies |
Monk06 |
Oct-01-09 04:59 AM |
#81 |
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I think I've seen the Belloq photos (if not the whole essay) at some point . . . |
MrModerate |
Oct-01-09 05:22 AM |
#85 |
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She was nude in that movie |
JanMichael |
Oct-01-09 01:52 PM |
#112 |
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I was speaking of scene photos of the bath scene but I yes she was nude |
Monk06 |
Oct-01-09 11:47 PM |
#152 |
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I agree. See my post #91 |
Hekate |
Oct-01-09 04:20 AM |
#77 |
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He mom was an alcoholic |
Dorian Gray |
Oct-01-09 05:15 AM |
#83 |
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Reminds me of the stage mothers from "Brüno" |
gmoney |
Oct-01-09 02:32 PM |
#121 |
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and once again, I say, .. Where was her FATHER? |
lukasahero |
Oct-01-09 10:46 AM |
#96 |
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You have advanced degrees in the arts? |
harmonicon |
Oct-01-09 12:26 AM |
#64 |
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My first impulse was to laugh, but here is your serious answer... |
Hekate |
Oct-01-09 04:18 AM |
#76 |
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it is not being shown with adult porn |
harmonicon |
Oct-01-09 08:27 AM |
#90 |
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You threw down the gauntlet of academic creds. PM me if still interested. nt |
Hekate |
Oct-01-09 11:31 AM |
#99 |
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ashamed of being an intellectual? |
harmonicon |
Oct-01-09 12:21 PM |
#103 |
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Stop trying to goad me. PM me. |
Hekate |
Oct-01-09 03:46 PM |
#140 |
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I'm the one trying to goad you? I don't think so. nt |
harmonicon |
Oct-01-09 07:28 PM |
#151 |
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. |
Hekate |
Oct-03-09 02:06 AM |
#184 |
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powerful stuff (nt) |
harmonicon |
Oct-03-09 07:12 AM |
#185 |
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Sally Mann |
MichaelHarris |
Sep-30-09 03:00 AM |
#4 |
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anyone remember "pretty baby?" |
orleans |
Sep-30-09 03:08 AM |
#5 |
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I remember it... |
regnaD kciN |
Sep-30-09 03:31 AM |
#6 |
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it was an extremely different time. i remember it well-- |
orleans |
Sep-30-09 02:39 PM |
#7 |
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back then it had more to do with the idea that women were property |
dugaresa |
Sep-30-09 03:09 PM |
#8 |
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I've heard that back in the 70s younger teens were ENCOURAGED to have sex WAY TOO EARLY! |
Odin2005 |
Sep-30-09 03:36 PM |
#15 |
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Oh, sure. We really pushed that early teen sex. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Sep-30-09 05:15 PM |
#33 |
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It depends on how far south you lived |
MajorChode |
Sep-30-09 05:43 PM |
#39 |
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I heard that true .... back in the seventies .... it wasn't true then either. |
Monk06 |
Oct-01-09 05:17 AM |
#84 |
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I also heard that girls could get pregnant by sharing bathwater with their brothers |
MajorChode |
Oct-02-09 12:18 AM |
#153 |
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Encouraged by *who*? Not by their parents or society generally. Mainly by the media & |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-02-09 12:32 AM |
#155 |
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things like rape were only the scary monster on the street who was a stranger |
seabeyond |
Sep-30-09 07:45 PM |
#53 |
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1973? |
treestar |
Oct-01-09 01:25 PM |
#105 |
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i was in calif. high school 74-79. what we did have was more boys that innately understood that |
seabeyond |
Oct-01-09 01:38 PM |
#107 |
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WTF? Delusional. The public university I went to had curfew in their women's |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-02-09 12:29 AM |
#154 |
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That was the way it was at WSU in the late 60s |
Thothmes |
Oct-02-09 05:04 AM |
#172 |
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I remember it |
ChickMagic |
Sep-30-09 03:49 PM |
#17 |
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I remember it as well - it was scary, not sexy |
TrogL |
Sep-30-09 05:09 PM |
#30 |
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She was 12 |
WeDidIt |
Sep-30-09 03:59 PM |
#20 |
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is there some kind of campaign to normalize pedophilia? |
27inCali |
Sep-30-09 03:17 PM |
#10 |
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Probably perverted bohemians that have read to much Nietzsche and Postmodern crap. |
Odin2005 |
Sep-30-09 03:40 PM |
#16 |
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Wait...so now reading Nietzsche leads to pedophilia? |
Ignis |
Sep-30-09 04:05 PM |
#21 |
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This is why I fully support the Tate. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Sep-30-09 04:09 PM |
#23 |
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We must have NO nude child art--especially that Infant Jesus! |
Ignis |
Sep-30-09 04:51 PM |
#27 |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Sep-30-09 05:24 PM |
#35 |
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lay off Nietzsche |
27inCali |
Sep-30-09 04:20 PM |
#24 |
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Did you reply to the wrong post? |
Ignis |
Sep-30-09 04:49 PM |
#26 |
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The one who went to brothels where he contracted syphilis? |
harmonicon |
Oct-01-09 12:31 AM |
#66 |
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Yeah, that comment had me worried |
Stuckinthebush |
Sep-30-09 05:04 PM |
#29 |
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I'm of the opinion that nearly all postmodern "philosophy" is garbage. |
Odin2005 |
Sep-30-09 08:40 PM |
#57 |
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And you reached this opinion after years of studying postmodernism? |
Ignis |
Oct-01-09 11:53 AM |
#100 |
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Of those I would consider only Nietzsche to be a "postmodernist" |
Odin2005 |
Oct-01-09 03:36 PM |
#136 |
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That's a lot of hatred, but no real critique of postmodern philosophy. |
Ignis |
Oct-02-09 01:54 PM |
#179 |
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I don't believe in "ultimate truths", Just objective truth. |
Odin2005 |
Oct-02-09 04:04 PM |
#182 |
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What is the molecular mass of Beauty? The boiling point of Evil? |
Ignis |
Oct-02-09 04:39 PM |
#183 |
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It's not |
Stuckinthebush |
Oct-01-09 12:13 PM |
#102 |
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Can't read nonsensical gibberish. |
Odin2005 |
Oct-01-09 03:36 PM |
#137 |
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It's not |
Stuckinthebush |
Oct-01-09 03:47 PM |
#142 |
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I meant that many artsy types tend to have a sneering, snobbish, elitist attitude... |
Odin2005 |
Sep-30-09 08:37 PM |
#56 |
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You've never seen that same attitude in a boardroom? |
Ignis |
Sep-30-09 11:18 PM |
#58 |
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It a common attitude among many elitist types that are full of themselves. |
Odin2005 |
Sep-30-09 11:20 PM |
#59 |
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Yet it's more prevalent in artists, hence the "many?" |
Ignis |
Sep-30-09 11:29 PM |
#60 |
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No. Certainly not a majority. |
Odin2005 |
Sep-30-09 11:58 PM |
#63 |
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Interesting. So perhaps 1/3 of that population? 1/4? (nt) |
Ignis |
Oct-01-09 01:31 AM |
#71 |
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If you look at rape and child sex abuse stats that's not an unreasonable assumption. |
Hello_Kitty |
Oct-01-09 01:49 AM |
#72 |
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But we're discussing "artsy types," not societal elites. |
Ignis |
Oct-01-09 02:07 AM |
#73 |
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That's part of the authoritarian mindset |
TrogL |
Oct-01-09 10:55 AM |
#97 |
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That's what the fascists always say too. That's why the artists and intellectuals... |
Gwendolyn |
Oct-01-09 03:56 PM |
#144 |
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Good riddance if they have those same opinions. |
anonymous171 |
Oct-02-09 01:55 AM |
#167 |
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What opinions? Or are you just in the mood to babble about anything that pops into your head? |
Gwendolyn |
Oct-02-09 02:00 AM |
#169 |
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Directors are artists too you know. |
anonymous171 |
Oct-02-09 02:04 AM |
#170 |
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So thinking a child rapist should be punished is Fascism? |
Odin2005 |
Oct-02-09 08:26 AM |
#176 |
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This thread is not about Polanski, is it? |
Gwendolyn |
Oct-02-09 02:46 PM |
#180 |
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I never said ALL, or even MOST artists are like that. |
Odin2005 |
Oct-02-09 03:26 PM |
#181 |
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That's right. You said MANY artists have a sneering, elitist attitude. |
Gwendolyn |
Oct-03-09 12:54 PM |
#186 |
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I just finished reading a bunch of Nietzsche |
TrogL |
Sep-30-09 05:02 PM |
#28 |
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Woah! You're not supposed to READ it, just criticize it! |
Ignis |
Sep-30-09 05:12 PM |
#31 |
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I'm reading Jung now - what does that make me? |
TrogL |
Sep-30-09 05:17 PM |
#34 |
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A wife beating arsonist. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Sep-30-09 05:26 PM |
#36 |
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Why, a Nazi sympathizer, of course! |
Ignis |
Sep-30-09 06:04 PM |
#42 |
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Pronounced "Young". Caught ya. |
Cetacea |
Sep-30-09 07:35 PM |
#51 |
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how is it? nt |
seabeyond |
Sep-30-09 07:51 PM |
#55 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Sep-30-09 05:14 PM |
#32 |
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Hm |
Mixopterus |
Sep-30-09 05:28 PM |
#37 |
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lol n/t |
Cetacea |
Sep-30-09 07:33 PM |
#50 |
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Right - I took you off ignore just to read that |
TrogL |
Oct-01-09 11:03 AM |
#98 |
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thanks, TrogL |
Duppers |
Oct-01-09 04:01 AM |
#75 |
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whatya talking about??? |
Duppers |
Oct-01-09 03:51 AM |
#74 |
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And here's another disgusting Nietzsche quote |
Duppers |
Oct-02-09 12:43 AM |
#159 |
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How about you get a life? |
harmonicon |
Oct-01-09 12:29 AM |
#65 |
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Artist using pedophilia as Art has run out of ideas & is a hack |
barbiegeek |
Oct-01-09 10:08 AM |
#94 |
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... Now pedophiles won't have to shlep to one of the world's foremost galleries of modern and |
struggle4progress |
Oct-01-09 02:26 PM |
#118 |
| -
I predict greatness for this thread. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Sep-30-09 03:20 PM |
#11 |
| -
lol nt |
subcomhd |
Sep-30-09 04:29 PM |
#25 |
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LOL +1 |
Coventina |
Sep-30-09 05:32 PM |
#38 |
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I'm amazed we've made it this far without a "TTIUWOP." |
Ignis |
Sep-30-09 06:09 PM |
#43 |
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With the title, I'm sure that most have just used Google Images and searched. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Sep-30-09 06:13 PM |
#46 |
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+1 |
madeline_con |
Oct-01-09 12:42 AM |
#68 |
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aaaaaah, the Tate. |
Zix |
Sep-30-09 03:24 PM |
#12 |
| -
I'm seeing a sick pattern here... |
Odin2005 |
Sep-30-09 03:32 PM |
#14 |
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that is what i have been saying. nt. |
seabeyond |
Sep-30-09 05:48 PM |
#41 |
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Aaargh. No more Jordache commercials. |
BlooInBloo |
Sep-30-09 03:49 PM |
#18 |
| -
It's An Interesting Photo |
NashVegas |
Sep-30-09 04:08 PM |
#22 |
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I just looked at it online and I found it very dark. Not erotic (but I'm a woman), |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Sep-30-09 06:11 PM |
#44 |
| -
They were going for a faux raunch sort of look I guess. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Sep-30-09 06:14 PM |
#47 |
| -
Lighting, Makeup |
NashVegas |
Oct-01-09 07:30 AM |
#88 |
| -
There is the ridiculous to it as well. The large overmade face/hair on the body |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Oct-01-09 01:19 PM |
#104 |
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It's supposed to be a slam of the Reagan years. |
Gwendolyn |
Oct-01-09 02:08 PM |
#115 |
| -
Thanks for posting this. Very interesting. :) |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Oct-03-09 12:57 PM |
#187 |
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RIchard Prince didn't even do the original |
buzzycrumbhunger |
Sep-30-09 06:12 PM |
#45 |
| -
Brooke Sheilds has made metric shit ton of money off her notoriety.. |
Fumesucker |
Sep-30-09 07:17 PM |
#48 |
| -
That's where I went wrong as a parent. I should have whored my 10yr-old daughters out |
Maru Kitteh |
Sep-30-09 11:51 PM |
#62 |
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I didn't say I approve.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-01-09 04:27 AM |
#78 |
| -
For all your protests the Gross photos are ironic references to |
Monk06 |
Oct-01-09 05:26 AM |
#86 |
| -
I don't think Brook Shields was 10 in 1983. |
girl gone mad |
Sep-30-09 07:28 PM |
#49 |
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she was 18 in 1983 |
JI7 |
Oct-01-09 05:32 AM |
#87 |
| -
Capitolizing on the Polanski blitz? She was fourteen in "The Blue Lagoon",c 1980. |
Cetacea |
Sep-30-09 07:42 PM |
#52 |
| -
Some of these photos were published at the time. |
onehandle |
Sep-30-09 07:50 PM |
#54 |
| -
yep, and guess what: |
harmonicon |
Oct-01-09 12:37 AM |
#67 |
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Um. . . I was an art major |
buzzycrumbhunger |
Oct-01-09 12:49 AM |
#69 |
| -
ok |
harmonicon |
Oct-01-09 08:44 AM |
#91 |
| -
I agree |
buzzycrumbhunger |
Oct-02-09 03:19 AM |
#171 |
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Actually it doesn't involve 99% bullshit and ego. |
Hissyspit |
Oct-01-09 03:56 PM |
#145 |
| -
Astounding, indeed. This thread stinks of Junior High anti-intellectualism. |
Ignis |
Oct-01-09 05:01 PM |
#150 |
| -
Yes, because child porn is oh-so scholarly. |
Odin2005 |
Oct-02-09 08:31 AM |
#177 |
| -
Tate Modern removes naked Brooke Shields picture after police visit |
struggle4progress |
Oct-01-09 12:54 AM |
#70 |
| -
Good. The artist should be charged for child pornography. |
Odin2005 |
Oct-01-09 08:16 AM |
#89 |
| -
Some Walmart employees recently thought the same thing. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Oct-01-09 11:54 AM |
#101 |
| -
This is a lot different from a naked baby picture. |
Odin2005 |
Oct-01-09 03:17 PM |
#131 |
| -
No it's not. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Oct-01-09 03:58 PM |
#146 |
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One is sexual, one is not. |
Odin2005 |
Oct-01-09 04:07 PM |
#147 |
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Neither are sexual. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Oct-01-09 04:07 PM |
#148 |
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... Spiritual America is a photograph of a photograph. The original – authorised by Shields's mother |
struggle4progress |
Oct-01-09 02:24 PM |
#117 |
| -
It's already been shown in NYC at the Guggenheim - no problem |
kskiska |
Oct-01-09 08:48 AM |
#92 |
| -
Last night the headline news in the UK was about child abuse.. |
jenniferj |
Oct-02-09 05:22 AM |
#173 |
| -
The original photo was taken for a Playboy publication |
LibDemAlways |
Oct-01-09 09:06 AM |
#93 |
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no fuckin way.... part shot for playboy. huge, eeeeew. wow. hm. nt |
seabeyond |
Oct-01-09 10:14 AM |
#95 |
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That can't be true. All the art snobs are in here defending the shit out of it. |
redqueen |
Oct-01-09 01:25 PM |
#106 |
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For source, click on the Guardian link in Post #70. n/t |
LibDemAlways |
Oct-01-09 01:43 PM |
#108 |
| -
Thanks... I was just reading it. |
redqueen |
Oct-01-09 01:45 PM |
#110 |
| -
"Sugar and Spice, Surprising & Sensuous Images of Women" Hardcover, Playboy Press, 1976 |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-02-09 01:54 AM |
#166 |
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brother had playboy calender legs spread, in kitchen. art.... he told me, and mother, and his wife |
seabeyond |
Oct-01-09 01:47 PM |
#111 |
| -
Good Lord... |
redqueen |
Oct-01-09 01:59 PM |
#113 |
| -
Balls. Most are defending bohemians, postmodernism, and Nietzsche. |
Ignis |
Oct-01-09 02:28 PM |
#119 |
| -
Ovaries. |
redqueen |
Oct-01-09 02:37 PM |
#123 |
| -
But "all the art snobs are defending it" isn't idiotic hyperbole? |
Ignis |
Oct-01-09 03:07 PM |
#127 |
| -
I stand corrected... SOME art snobs are defending it. |
redqueen |
Oct-01-09 03:10 PM |
#129 |
| -
It sure is. Now then: Who? Where? Which post numbers? (nt) |
Ignis |
Oct-01-09 03:25 PM |
#133 |
| -
deleted |
redqueen |
Oct-01-09 03:37 PM |
#139 |
| -
Yes, I can read. I'm reading right now. It's thrilling! |
Ignis |
Oct-01-09 03:48 PM |
#143 |
| -
I'll defend it. I think the message behind the work is thought-provoking... |
Gwendolyn |
Oct-02-09 01:11 AM |
#163 |
| -
You're a brave woman, Gwendolyn. (nt) |
Ignis |
Oct-02-09 11:23 AM |
#178 |
| -
Yep... it was taken for Playboy. Frickin hell. |
redqueen |
Oct-01-09 01:44 PM |
#109 |
| -
Hard to believe that 30 years ago Playboy would even consider publishing |
LibDemAlways |
Oct-01-09 02:01 PM |
#114 |
| -
Nope... and think about how many here seem to be waxing nostalgic about those days. |
redqueen |
Oct-01-09 02:15 PM |
#116 |
| -
Who? Where? Which post numbers in this thread? (nt) |
Ignis |
Oct-01-09 02:29 PM |
#120 |
| -
In this thread? Haven't seen it here. |
redqueen |
Oct-01-09 02:35 PM |
#122 |
| -
And yet your brush is broad enough to cover multiple threads. |
Ignis |
Oct-01-09 03:08 PM |
#128 |
| -
Because it's been in mulitple threads. |
redqueen |
Oct-01-09 03:11 PM |
#130 |
| -
Would it have been so hard to say "in other threads?" |
Ignis |
Oct-01-09 03:22 PM |
#132 |
| -
Nope... |
redqueen |
Oct-01-09 03:26 PM |
#134 |
| -
It's much easier to be catty than to examine one's own behavior. |
Ignis |
Oct-01-09 03:32 PM |
#135 |
| -
What in the everlovin fuck are you on about? |
redqueen |
Oct-01-09 03:37 PM |
#138 |
| -
It's annoying to be caught using broad-brush smears? |
Ignis |
Oct-01-09 03:47 PM |
#141 |
| -
I'd hardly call it nostalgic |
TrogL |
Oct-01-09 02:49 PM |
#126 |
| -
Very little awareness back then. |
Gwendolyn |
Oct-01-09 02:40 PM |
#124 |
| -
Dupe... |
Gwendolyn |
Oct-01-09 02:40 PM |
#125 |
| -
That's probably because they *didn't*. It was a book (not a porn mag), |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-02-09 01:45 AM |
#164 |
| -
There is a seriously nasty pedophilia case hitting the headlines in the UK... |
jenniferj |
Oct-02-09 05:53 AM |
#174 |
| -
i call bullshit. playboy didn't publish pictures of nude kids. |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-02-09 12:36 AM |
#158 |
| -
Sugar and Spice was published by Playboy Press, the publishing |
LibDemAlways |
Oct-02-09 01:05 AM |
#161 |
| -
It was a book. |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-02-09 01:10 AM |
#162 |
| -
I know. It was published by Playboy Press. Apparently the |
LibDemAlways |
Oct-02-09 01:47 AM |
#165 |
| -
"Little women," whatever it may be, wasn't a Playboy publication. The book published by playboy was |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-02-09 01:56 AM |
#168 |
| -
i call bullshit. |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-02-09 12:35 AM |
#157 |
| -
"Sugar and Spice, Surprising and Sensuous Images of Women" A book of nude art photos of women |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-02-09 01:03 AM |
#160 |
| -
I read somewhere that they took it down. |
BlooInBloo |
Oct-02-09 12:33 AM |
#156 |
| -
Look at the UK media this morning..... |
jenniferj |
Oct-02-09 05:58 AM |
#175 |
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