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47. And so? It's not up to her.
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  -Samantha Geimer, Polanski's victim, doesn't back prison time for the director madmusic  Sep-28-09 11:13 PM   #0 
  - Too bad. He needs to go to jail, just like every other rapist. nt  anonymous171   Sep-28-09 11:15 PM   #1 
  - Write her a letter and straighten her out. nt  madmusic   Sep-28-09 11:18 PM   #2 
  - it is very simple and very common...  lala_rawraw   Sep-28-09 11:35 PM   #9 
  - Exactly. She has moved on and has reiterated that she doesn't want to bring it up again  Hawkeye-X   Sep-29-09 02:14 AM   #32 
  - And besides that, hasn't  Yupster   Sep-30-09 08:15 AM   #99 
  - Why? She has the right to her opinion. nt  EmilyAnne   Sep-29-09 02:13 AM   #31 
  - Some rapists are dead. Putting them in jail would be very unsanitary  Oregone   Sep-29-09 01:34 AM   #26 
  - Violation of the law is a crime against both a victim and society  brentspeak   Sep-28-09 11:26 PM   #3 
  - lots of abused wives don't want their husbands in jail either.  Teaser   Sep-28-09 11:27 PM   #4 
  - bingo. that is my experience and i've arrested SCOREs of domestic abusers  paulsby   Sep-29-09 02:37 AM   #34 
  - Doesn't matter.  proteus_lives   Sep-28-09 11:30 PM   #5 
  - kids raped, beaten by dad dont want him to have prison time. wives say no to prison. so? nt  seabeyond   Sep-28-09 11:32 PM   #6 
  - The vengeance obsessed don't care about her wishes  depakid   Sep-28-09 11:33 PM   #7 
  - again, i told you the position, yet ignore. how honest is that.... oh not. nt  seabeyond   Sep-28-09 11:35 PM   #8 
  - Scary isn't it? I just read that there are over 1,000 rape kits waiting  Thickasabrick   Sep-28-09 11:38 PM   #10 
  - It'll be an expensive case that in the end, benefits no one  depakid   Sep-28-09 11:44 PM   #11 
  - yet, here we have someone ready for sentencing and here it sets on shelf ready to be done. nt  seabeyond   Sep-29-09 07:44 AM   #44 
  - Deterrence is not vengeance.  Odin2005   Sep-28-09 11:45 PM   #12 
  - Punishment isn't deterrence.  Forkboy   Sep-29-09 12:12 AM   #17 
  - So Kissinger should not be tried as the war criminal he is because he is an old man?  Odin2005   Sep-29-09 12:16 AM   #19 
  - Why is that anytime someone starts a post with ,"So.." that whatever follows is never the case?  Forkboy   Sep-29-09 12:23 AM   #20 
     - that's a false argument  paulsby   Sep-29-09 02:41 AM   #35 
     - I follow Immanuel Kant's thinking about justice  Odin2005   Sep-29-09 07:40 AM   #42 
     - Kant was wrong.  armyowalgreens   Sep-29-09 03:46 PM   #69 
     - Not true at all..plenty of studies show harsher laws and sentencing  joeybee12   Sep-29-09 03:52 PM   #73 
     - Actually, arresting Kissinger would do incomparably more to deter war crimes...  JackRiddler   Sep-29-09 08:53 AM   #53 
     - +100! A voice of reason!  scarletwoman   Sep-29-09 09:16 PM   #93 
     - Because people don't understand the false dichotomy fallacy.  Ignis   Sep-29-09 02:56 PM   #63 
  - Agreed, good post. n/t  tammywammy   Sep-29-09 12:25 AM   #21 
  - .  MilesColtrane   Sep-29-09 12:53 PM   #56 
  - Something I remembered:  Odin2005   Sep-29-09 05:13 PM   #84 
  - There's no deterrent value in a 1977 case today  depakid   Sep-29-09 12:50 AM   #24 
     - Send a signal that if you are a great "artist" you can get away with child rape? BRILLIANT!!!  Odin2005   Sep-29-09 07:42 AM   #43 
     - How many great artists are convicted/ accused of child rape?  armyowalgreens   Sep-29-09 03:48 PM   #70 
        - A study posted on DU several times said that...  Odin2005   Sep-29-09 05:14 PM   #85 
     - There is the deterrent value in showing if you did the crime, admitted it and  bighart   Sep-29-09 04:23 PM   #74 
  - Same with the revenge obsessed folks who want to prosecute Bush  anonymous171   Sep-28-09 11:48 PM   #13 
  - And Cheney's old too  tammywammy   Sep-28-09 11:51 PM   #14 
  - That's not immediate case with tens of thousands of victims  depakid   Sep-29-09 02:59 AM   #37 
  - I actually disagree. We must stop the lack of accountability...  armyowalgreens   Sep-29-09 03:49 PM   #72 
  - Sad, but true. She has stated over and over again  sabrina 1   Sep-29-09 12:06 AM   #16 
  - +100.  Hannah Bell   Sep-29-09 02:44 AM   #36 
  - The law doesn't operate on the wishes of the victims. It operates on the law.  Forkboy   Sep-29-09 12:13 AM   #18 
  - Exactly. And that is a wonderful thing about our legal system. Everyone knows how often the victim  EmilyAnne   Sep-29-09 02:15 AM   #33 
  - What is perceived merely as vengeance by one person...  LanternWaste   Sep-29-09 04:25 PM   #75 
  - She is just pissed that the incident keeps appearing in the news and she has to relive it  Beaverhausen   Sep-29-09 12:00 AM   #15 
  - She sued him and got an "undisclosed settlement"  western mass   Sep-29-09 12:32 AM   #22 
  - Lousy rape apologists.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Sep-29-09 12:35 AM   #23 
  - This is one reason why rape shield laws are important.  moriah   Sep-29-09 01:00 AM   #25 
  - Should a priest who once raped a boy be allowed to walk free if the grown boy forgives him?  Azathoth   Sep-29-09 01:50 AM   #27 
  - All things taken into account., Polanski needs to face up to the original crime & fleeing punishment  aikoaiko   Sep-29-09 02:03 AM   #28 
  - if he had done this when he should have  Skittles   Sep-29-09 02:10 AM   #29 
  - He DID "face up to the crime" - he was sentenced to do time for  old mark   Sep-29-09 06:23 AM   #41 
     - Presumptuous much? I know all that. The court acted within its discretion -- did it not?  aikoaiko   Sep-29-09 08:49 AM   #52 
     - I am generally "presumptuous" when I hear the braying of jackasses.  old mark   Sep-29-09 01:52 PM   #59 
        - He's a fugitive and should be brought to court to finish this up?  aikoaiko   Sep-29-09 02:40 PM   #62 
     - the psych eval was not a formal sentence  TorchTheWitch   Sep-29-09 11:19 PM   #97 
  - Good for her. But, it doesn't matter. That's why its the State of California vs. Polanski.  EmilyAnne   Sep-29-09 02:13 AM   #30 
  - "We are a nation of laws."  GreenArrow   Sep-29-09 04:51 PM   #81 
  - Forget it, madmusic. It's Democratic Underground.  t0dd   Sep-29-09 03:05 AM   #38 
  - What town... is this?  madmusic   Sep-29-09 03:41 AM   #39 
  - Because she said she doesn't want to go through it anymore and she's sick  pnwmom   Sep-29-09 06:14 AM   #40 
  - It's not up to her.  LisaL   Sep-29-09 08:09 AM   #48 
     - I agree completely. All prosecutions are in the name of the state,  pnwmom   Sep-29-09 07:50 PM   #88 
  - Well, I'd assume she'd get a chance to speak during the sentencing.  Barack_America   Sep-29-09 07:46 AM   #45 
  - For many, life is black and white  DefenseLawyer   Sep-29-09 07:56 AM   #46 
  - +1  shireen   Sep-29-09 11:27 AM   #54 
  - And so? It's not up to her.  LisaL   Sep-29-09 08:00 AM   #47 
  - How much did he pay her in the out-of-court settlement?  Freddie Stubbs   Sep-29-09 08:10 AM   #49 
  - I have no clue. It would have been completely up to her  LisaL   Sep-29-09 08:13 AM   #50 
  - For those that are against bringing him back for the rape  justiceischeap   Sep-29-09 08:21 AM   #51 
  - POLANSKI!!!  Echo In Light   Sep-29-09 12:33 PM   #55 
  - Polansky  subcomhd   Sep-29-09 12:54 PM   #57 
  - She must not be denied her constitutional right to determine sentencing. n/t  Orsino   Sep-29-09 01:41 PM   #58 
  - So What. That Changes Nothing, In Regards to the Apologists  NashVegas   Sep-29-09 01:55 PM   #60 
  - Geimer is as much "the public" as you are, so why call her an apologist?  madmusic   Sep-29-09 03:06 PM   #64 
     - What Does This Change?  NashVegas   Sep-29-09 03:44 PM   #67 
        - So now you are accusing her of excusing him? I didn't get that from the declaration. nt  madmusic   Sep-29-09 05:32 PM   #87 
           - No, I'm Asking YOU How Geimer's Desire to Move On With Her Life Decreases the Seriousness  NashVegas   Sep-29-09 08:30 PM   #89 
              - I don't know. Are you saying you think she is minimizing the seriousness?  madmusic   Sep-29-09 09:23 PM   #95 
                 - "I Don't Know"  NashVegas   Sep-30-09 06:33 AM   #98 
  - then that should be the end of it.  blues90   Sep-29-09 01:55 PM   #61 
  - delete  NashVegas   Sep-29-09 03:43 PM   #66 
  - it's the state of california vs. polanski  noiretextatique   Sep-29-09 04:28 PM   #77 
  - The victim's wishes should be paramount.  TexasObserver   Sep-29-09 03:22 PM   #65 
  - Agreed. This isn't about justice, this is about ego of the prosecutors and publicity for their  BREMPRO   Sep-29-09 08:45 PM   #90 
     - Excellent post. Thank you. (nt)  scarletwoman   Sep-29-09 09:27 PM   #96 
  - Is statutory rape one of those crimes where they ask the victim if they want to press charges?  redqueen   Sep-29-09 03:45 PM   #68 
  - state of california vs. polanski  noiretextatique   Sep-29-09 04:31 PM   #78 
     - Sad how easily that simple fact seems to escape some people here.  redqueen   Sep-29-09 04:34 PM   #80 
     - Maybe Polanski will quickly plead guilty  Yupster   Sep-30-09 08:21 AM   #100 
  - Not Surprising  WeekendWarrior   Sep-29-09 03:49 PM   #71 
  - As of 2003 she still wanted to see him punished.  Nuclear Unicorn   Sep-29-09 04:25 PM   #76 
  - That is a lie. In 1997 she wrote a letter to the court asking for the  Thickasabrick   Sep-29-09 04:32 PM   #79 
     - OK,then just for sake of argument...  Nuclear Unicorn   Sep-29-09 05:10 PM   #82 
        - I don't understand the question. What lame excuse? nt  Thickasabrick   Sep-29-09 05:12 PM   #83 
           - The lame excuse that the victim's desire for obscurity exonerates the crime.  Nuclear Unicorn   Sep-29-09 05:31 PM   #86 
  - With apologies, here is the link  madmusic   Sep-29-09 09:06 PM   #91 
  - Unrecced and SO happy that the rape apologists of DU don't write policy.  Maru Kitteh   Sep-29-09 09:09 PM   #92 
  - As been pointed out before, it's state of Ca vs. Polanski.  LisaL   Sep-29-09 09:19 PM   #94 

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