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Tue Sep-29-09 02:37 AM
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| 34. bingo. that is my experience and i've arrested SCOREs of domestic abusers |
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i would say the MAJORITY of victims of domestic violence (ime) do not want their husbands in jail, or even prosecuted at all.
the prosecutors DO take into account victims' desire to prosecute or not, but it is not (by any stretch) a sole factor in their decision to charge or not.
nor should it be.
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| -Samantha Geimer, Polanski's victim, doesn't back prison time for the director |
madmusic |
Sep-28-09 11:13 PM |
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Too bad. He needs to go to jail, just like every other rapist. nt |
anonymous171 |
Sep-28-09 11:15 PM |
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Write her a letter and straighten her out. nt |
madmusic |
Sep-28-09 11:18 PM |
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it is very simple and very common... |
lala_rawraw |
Sep-28-09 11:35 PM |
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Exactly. She has moved on and has reiterated that she doesn't want to bring it up again |
Hawkeye-X |
Sep-29-09 02:14 AM |
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And besides that, hasn't |
Yupster |
Sep-30-09 08:15 AM |
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Why? She has the right to her opinion. nt |
EmilyAnne |
Sep-29-09 02:13 AM |
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Some rapists are dead. Putting them in jail would be very unsanitary |
Oregone |
Sep-29-09 01:34 AM |
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Violation of the law is a crime against both a victim and society |
brentspeak |
Sep-28-09 11:26 PM |
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lots of abused wives don't want their husbands in jail either. |
Teaser |
Sep-28-09 11:27 PM |
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bingo. that is my experience and i've arrested SCOREs of domestic abusers |
paulsby |
Sep-29-09 02:37 AM |
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Doesn't matter. |
proteus_lives |
Sep-28-09 11:30 PM |
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kids raped, beaten by dad dont want him to have prison time. wives say no to prison. so? nt |
seabeyond |
Sep-28-09 11:32 PM |
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The vengeance obsessed don't care about her wishes |
depakid |
Sep-28-09 11:33 PM |
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again, i told you the position, yet ignore. how honest is that.... oh not. nt |
seabeyond |
Sep-28-09 11:35 PM |
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Scary isn't it? I just read that there are over 1,000 rape kits waiting |
Thickasabrick |
Sep-28-09 11:38 PM |
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It'll be an expensive case that in the end, benefits no one |
depakid |
Sep-28-09 11:44 PM |
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yet, here we have someone ready for sentencing and here it sets on shelf ready to be done. nt |
seabeyond |
Sep-29-09 07:44 AM |
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Deterrence is not vengeance. |
Odin2005 |
Sep-28-09 11:45 PM |
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Punishment isn't deterrence. |
Forkboy |
Sep-29-09 12:12 AM |
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So Kissinger should not be tried as the war criminal he is because he is an old man? |
Odin2005 |
Sep-29-09 12:16 AM |
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Why is that anytime someone starts a post with ,"So.." that whatever follows is never the case? |
Forkboy |
Sep-29-09 12:23 AM |
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that's a false argument |
paulsby |
Sep-29-09 02:41 AM |
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I follow Immanuel Kant's thinking about justice |
Odin2005 |
Sep-29-09 07:40 AM |
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Kant was wrong. |
armyowalgreens |
Sep-29-09 03:46 PM |
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Not true at all..plenty of studies show harsher laws and sentencing |
joeybee12 |
Sep-29-09 03:52 PM |
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Actually, arresting Kissinger would do incomparably more to deter war crimes... |
JackRiddler |
Sep-29-09 08:53 AM |
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+100! A voice of reason! |
scarletwoman |
Sep-29-09 09:16 PM |
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Because people don't understand the false dichotomy fallacy. |
Ignis |
Sep-29-09 02:56 PM |
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Agreed, good post. n/t |
tammywammy |
Sep-29-09 12:25 AM |
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. |
MilesColtrane |
Sep-29-09 12:53 PM |
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Something I remembered: |
Odin2005 |
Sep-29-09 05:13 PM |
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There's no deterrent value in a 1977 case today |
depakid |
Sep-29-09 12:50 AM |
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Send a signal that if you are a great "artist" you can get away with child rape? BRILLIANT!!! |
Odin2005 |
Sep-29-09 07:42 AM |
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How many great artists are convicted/ accused of child rape? |
armyowalgreens |
Sep-29-09 03:48 PM |
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A study posted on DU several times said that... |
Odin2005 |
Sep-29-09 05:14 PM |
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There is the deterrent value in showing if you did the crime, admitted it and |
bighart |
Sep-29-09 04:23 PM |
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Same with the revenge obsessed folks who want to prosecute Bush |
anonymous171 |
Sep-28-09 11:48 PM |
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And Cheney's old too |
tammywammy |
Sep-28-09 11:51 PM |
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That's not immediate case with tens of thousands of victims |
depakid |
Sep-29-09 02:59 AM |
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I actually disagree. We must stop the lack of accountability... |
armyowalgreens |
Sep-29-09 03:49 PM |
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Sad, but true. She has stated over and over again |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-29-09 12:06 AM |
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+100. |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-29-09 02:44 AM |
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The law doesn't operate on the wishes of the victims. It operates on the law. |
Forkboy |
Sep-29-09 12:13 AM |
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Exactly. And that is a wonderful thing about our legal system. Everyone knows how often the victim |
EmilyAnne |
Sep-29-09 02:15 AM |
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What is perceived merely as vengeance by one person... |
LanternWaste |
Sep-29-09 04:25 PM |
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She is just pissed that the incident keeps appearing in the news and she has to relive it |
Beaverhausen |
Sep-29-09 12:00 AM |
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She sued him and got an "undisclosed settlement" |
western mass |
Sep-29-09 12:32 AM |
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Lousy rape apologists. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Sep-29-09 12:35 AM |
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This is one reason why rape shield laws are important. |
moriah |
Sep-29-09 01:00 AM |
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Should a priest who once raped a boy be allowed to walk free if the grown boy forgives him? |
Azathoth |
Sep-29-09 01:50 AM |
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All things taken into account., Polanski needs to face up to the original crime & fleeing punishment |
aikoaiko |
Sep-29-09 02:03 AM |
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if he had done this when he should have |
Skittles |
Sep-29-09 02:10 AM |
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He DID "face up to the crime" - he was sentenced to do time for |
old mark |
Sep-29-09 06:23 AM |
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Presumptuous much? I know all that. The court acted within its discretion -- did it not? |
aikoaiko |
Sep-29-09 08:49 AM |
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I am generally "presumptuous" when I hear the braying of jackasses. |
old mark |
Sep-29-09 01:52 PM |
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He's a fugitive and should be brought to court to finish this up? |
aikoaiko |
Sep-29-09 02:40 PM |
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the psych eval was not a formal sentence |
TorchTheWitch |
Sep-29-09 11:19 PM |
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Good for her. But, it doesn't matter. That's why its the State of California vs. Polanski. |
EmilyAnne |
Sep-29-09 02:13 AM |
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"We are a nation of laws." |
GreenArrow |
Sep-29-09 04:51 PM |
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Forget it, madmusic. It's Democratic Underground. |
t0dd |
Sep-29-09 03:05 AM |
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What town... is this? |
madmusic |
Sep-29-09 03:41 AM |
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Because she said she doesn't want to go through it anymore and she's sick |
pnwmom |
Sep-29-09 06:14 AM |
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It's not up to her. |
LisaL |
Sep-29-09 08:09 AM |
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I agree completely. All prosecutions are in the name of the state, |
pnwmom |
Sep-29-09 07:50 PM |
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Well, I'd assume she'd get a chance to speak during the sentencing. |
Barack_America |
Sep-29-09 07:46 AM |
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For many, life is black and white |
DefenseLawyer |
Sep-29-09 07:56 AM |
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+1 |
shireen |
Sep-29-09 11:27 AM |
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And so? It's not up to her. |
LisaL |
Sep-29-09 08:00 AM |
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How much did he pay her in the out-of-court settlement? |
Freddie Stubbs |
Sep-29-09 08:10 AM |
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I have no clue. It would have been completely up to her |
LisaL |
Sep-29-09 08:13 AM |
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For those that are against bringing him back for the rape |
justiceischeap |
Sep-29-09 08:21 AM |
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POLANSKI!!! |
Echo In Light |
Sep-29-09 12:33 PM |
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Polansky |
subcomhd |
Sep-29-09 12:54 PM |
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She must not be denied her constitutional right to determine sentencing. n/t |
Orsino |
Sep-29-09 01:41 PM |
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So What. That Changes Nothing, In Regards to the Apologists |
NashVegas |
Sep-29-09 01:55 PM |
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Geimer is as much "the public" as you are, so why call her an apologist? |
madmusic |
Sep-29-09 03:06 PM |
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What Does This Change? |
NashVegas |
Sep-29-09 03:44 PM |
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So now you are accusing her of excusing him? I didn't get that from the declaration. nt |
madmusic |
Sep-29-09 05:32 PM |
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No, I'm Asking YOU How Geimer's Desire to Move On With Her Life Decreases the Seriousness |
NashVegas |
Sep-29-09 08:30 PM |
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I don't know. Are you saying you think she is minimizing the seriousness? |
madmusic |
Sep-29-09 09:23 PM |
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"I Don't Know" |
NashVegas |
Sep-30-09 06:33 AM |
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then that should be the end of it. |
blues90 |
Sep-29-09 01:55 PM |
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delete |
NashVegas |
Sep-29-09 03:43 PM |
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it's the state of california vs. polanski |
noiretextatique |
Sep-29-09 04:28 PM |
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The victim's wishes should be paramount. |
TexasObserver |
Sep-29-09 03:22 PM |
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Agreed. This isn't about justice, this is about ego of the prosecutors and publicity for their |
BREMPRO |
Sep-29-09 08:45 PM |
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Excellent post. Thank you. (nt) |
scarletwoman |
Sep-29-09 09:27 PM |
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Is statutory rape one of those crimes where they ask the victim if they want to press charges? |
redqueen |
Sep-29-09 03:45 PM |
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state of california vs. polanski |
noiretextatique |
Sep-29-09 04:31 PM |
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Sad how easily that simple fact seems to escape some people here. |
redqueen |
Sep-29-09 04:34 PM |
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Maybe Polanski will quickly plead guilty |
Yupster |
Sep-30-09 08:21 AM |
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Not Surprising |
WeekendWarrior |
Sep-29-09 03:49 PM |
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As of 2003 she still wanted to see him punished. |
Nuclear Unicorn |
Sep-29-09 04:25 PM |
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That is a lie. In 1997 she wrote a letter to the court asking for the |
Thickasabrick |
Sep-29-09 04:32 PM |
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OK,then just for sake of argument... |
Nuclear Unicorn |
Sep-29-09 05:10 PM |
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I don't understand the question. What lame excuse? nt |
Thickasabrick |
Sep-29-09 05:12 PM |
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The lame excuse that the victim's desire for obscurity exonerates the crime. |
Nuclear Unicorn |
Sep-29-09 05:31 PM |
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With apologies, here is the link |
madmusic |
Sep-29-09 09:06 PM |
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Unrecced and SO happy that the rape apologists of DU don't write policy. |
Maru Kitteh |
Sep-29-09 09:09 PM |
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As been pointed out before, it's state of Ca vs. Polanski. |
LisaL |
Sep-29-09 09:19 PM |
#94 |
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