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Tue Sep-29-09 12:35 AM
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| 23. Lousy rape apologists. |
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I'd like to know her what she'd think if it was somebody she cared about who got raped. Raped... know... know... apologist... somebody... system error...  |
| -Samantha Geimer, Polanski's victim, doesn't back prison time for the director |
madmusic |
Sep-28-09 11:13 PM |
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Too bad. He needs to go to jail, just like every other rapist. nt |
anonymous171 |
Sep-28-09 11:15 PM |
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Write her a letter and straighten her out. nt |
madmusic |
Sep-28-09 11:18 PM |
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it is very simple and very common... |
lala_rawraw |
Sep-28-09 11:35 PM |
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Exactly. She has moved on and has reiterated that she doesn't want to bring it up again |
Hawkeye-X |
Sep-29-09 02:14 AM |
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And besides that, hasn't |
Yupster |
Sep-30-09 08:15 AM |
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Why? She has the right to her opinion. nt |
EmilyAnne |
Sep-29-09 02:13 AM |
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Some rapists are dead. Putting them in jail would be very unsanitary |
Oregone |
Sep-29-09 01:34 AM |
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Violation of the law is a crime against both a victim and society |
brentspeak |
Sep-28-09 11:26 PM |
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lots of abused wives don't want their husbands in jail either. |
Teaser |
Sep-28-09 11:27 PM |
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bingo. that is my experience and i've arrested SCOREs of domestic abusers |
paulsby |
Sep-29-09 02:37 AM |
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Doesn't matter. |
proteus_lives |
Sep-28-09 11:30 PM |
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kids raped, beaten by dad dont want him to have prison time. wives say no to prison. so? nt |
seabeyond |
Sep-28-09 11:32 PM |
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The vengeance obsessed don't care about her wishes |
depakid |
Sep-28-09 11:33 PM |
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again, i told you the position, yet ignore. how honest is that.... oh not. nt |
seabeyond |
Sep-28-09 11:35 PM |
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Scary isn't it? I just read that there are over 1,000 rape kits waiting |
Thickasabrick |
Sep-28-09 11:38 PM |
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It'll be an expensive case that in the end, benefits no one |
depakid |
Sep-28-09 11:44 PM |
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yet, here we have someone ready for sentencing and here it sets on shelf ready to be done. nt |
seabeyond |
Sep-29-09 07:44 AM |
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Deterrence is not vengeance. |
Odin2005 |
Sep-28-09 11:45 PM |
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Punishment isn't deterrence. |
Forkboy |
Sep-29-09 12:12 AM |
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So Kissinger should not be tried as the war criminal he is because he is an old man? |
Odin2005 |
Sep-29-09 12:16 AM |
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Why is that anytime someone starts a post with ,"So.." that whatever follows is never the case? |
Forkboy |
Sep-29-09 12:23 AM |
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that's a false argument |
paulsby |
Sep-29-09 02:41 AM |
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I follow Immanuel Kant's thinking about justice |
Odin2005 |
Sep-29-09 07:40 AM |
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Kant was wrong. |
armyowalgreens |
Sep-29-09 03:46 PM |
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Not true at all..plenty of studies show harsher laws and sentencing |
joeybee12 |
Sep-29-09 03:52 PM |
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Actually, arresting Kissinger would do incomparably more to deter war crimes... |
JackRiddler |
Sep-29-09 08:53 AM |
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+100! A voice of reason! |
scarletwoman |
Sep-29-09 09:16 PM |
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Because people don't understand the false dichotomy fallacy. |
Ignis |
Sep-29-09 02:56 PM |
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Agreed, good post. n/t |
tammywammy |
Sep-29-09 12:25 AM |
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. |
MilesColtrane |
Sep-29-09 12:53 PM |
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Something I remembered: |
Odin2005 |
Sep-29-09 05:13 PM |
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There's no deterrent value in a 1977 case today |
depakid |
Sep-29-09 12:50 AM |
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Send a signal that if you are a great "artist" you can get away with child rape? BRILLIANT!!! |
Odin2005 |
Sep-29-09 07:42 AM |
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How many great artists are convicted/ accused of child rape? |
armyowalgreens |
Sep-29-09 03:48 PM |
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A study posted on DU several times said that... |
Odin2005 |
Sep-29-09 05:14 PM |
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There is the deterrent value in showing if you did the crime, admitted it and |
bighart |
Sep-29-09 04:23 PM |
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Same with the revenge obsessed folks who want to prosecute Bush |
anonymous171 |
Sep-28-09 11:48 PM |
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And Cheney's old too |
tammywammy |
Sep-28-09 11:51 PM |
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That's not immediate case with tens of thousands of victims |
depakid |
Sep-29-09 02:59 AM |
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I actually disagree. We must stop the lack of accountability... |
armyowalgreens |
Sep-29-09 03:49 PM |
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Sad, but true. She has stated over and over again |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-29-09 12:06 AM |
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+100. |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-29-09 02:44 AM |
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The law doesn't operate on the wishes of the victims. It operates on the law. |
Forkboy |
Sep-29-09 12:13 AM |
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Exactly. And that is a wonderful thing about our legal system. Everyone knows how often the victim |
EmilyAnne |
Sep-29-09 02:15 AM |
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What is perceived merely as vengeance by one person... |
LanternWaste |
Sep-29-09 04:25 PM |
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She is just pissed that the incident keeps appearing in the news and she has to relive it |
Beaverhausen |
Sep-29-09 12:00 AM |
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She sued him and got an "undisclosed settlement" |
western mass |
Sep-29-09 12:32 AM |
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Lousy rape apologists. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Sep-29-09 12:35 AM |
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This is one reason why rape shield laws are important. |
moriah |
Sep-29-09 01:00 AM |
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Should a priest who once raped a boy be allowed to walk free if the grown boy forgives him? |
Azathoth |
Sep-29-09 01:50 AM |
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All things taken into account., Polanski needs to face up to the original crime & fleeing punishment |
aikoaiko |
Sep-29-09 02:03 AM |
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if he had done this when he should have |
Skittles |
Sep-29-09 02:10 AM |
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He DID "face up to the crime" - he was sentenced to do time for |
old mark |
Sep-29-09 06:23 AM |
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Presumptuous much? I know all that. The court acted within its discretion -- did it not? |
aikoaiko |
Sep-29-09 08:49 AM |
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I am generally "presumptuous" when I hear the braying of jackasses. |
old mark |
Sep-29-09 01:52 PM |
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He's a fugitive and should be brought to court to finish this up? |
aikoaiko |
Sep-29-09 02:40 PM |
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the psych eval was not a formal sentence |
TorchTheWitch |
Sep-29-09 11:19 PM |
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Good for her. But, it doesn't matter. That's why its the State of California vs. Polanski. |
EmilyAnne |
Sep-29-09 02:13 AM |
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"We are a nation of laws." |
GreenArrow |
Sep-29-09 04:51 PM |
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Forget it, madmusic. It's Democratic Underground. |
t0dd |
Sep-29-09 03:05 AM |
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What town... is this? |
madmusic |
Sep-29-09 03:41 AM |
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Because she said she doesn't want to go through it anymore and she's sick |
pnwmom |
Sep-29-09 06:14 AM |
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It's not up to her. |
LisaL |
Sep-29-09 08:09 AM |
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I agree completely. All prosecutions are in the name of the state, |
pnwmom |
Sep-29-09 07:50 PM |
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Well, I'd assume she'd get a chance to speak during the sentencing. |
Barack_America |
Sep-29-09 07:46 AM |
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For many, life is black and white |
DefenseLawyer |
Sep-29-09 07:56 AM |
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+1 |
shireen |
Sep-29-09 11:27 AM |
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And so? It's not up to her. |
LisaL |
Sep-29-09 08:00 AM |
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How much did he pay her in the out-of-court settlement? |
Freddie Stubbs |
Sep-29-09 08:10 AM |
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I have no clue. It would have been completely up to her |
LisaL |
Sep-29-09 08:13 AM |
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For those that are against bringing him back for the rape |
justiceischeap |
Sep-29-09 08:21 AM |
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POLANSKI!!! |
Echo In Light |
Sep-29-09 12:33 PM |
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Polansky |
subcomhd |
Sep-29-09 12:54 PM |
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She must not be denied her constitutional right to determine sentencing. n/t |
Orsino |
Sep-29-09 01:41 PM |
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So What. That Changes Nothing, In Regards to the Apologists |
NashVegas |
Sep-29-09 01:55 PM |
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Geimer is as much "the public" as you are, so why call her an apologist? |
madmusic |
Sep-29-09 03:06 PM |
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What Does This Change? |
NashVegas |
Sep-29-09 03:44 PM |
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So now you are accusing her of excusing him? I didn't get that from the declaration. nt |
madmusic |
Sep-29-09 05:32 PM |
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No, I'm Asking YOU How Geimer's Desire to Move On With Her Life Decreases the Seriousness |
NashVegas |
Sep-29-09 08:30 PM |
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I don't know. Are you saying you think she is minimizing the seriousness? |
madmusic |
Sep-29-09 09:23 PM |
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"I Don't Know" |
NashVegas |
Sep-30-09 06:33 AM |
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then that should be the end of it. |
blues90 |
Sep-29-09 01:55 PM |
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delete |
NashVegas |
Sep-29-09 03:43 PM |
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it's the state of california vs. polanski |
noiretextatique |
Sep-29-09 04:28 PM |
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The victim's wishes should be paramount. |
TexasObserver |
Sep-29-09 03:22 PM |
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Agreed. This isn't about justice, this is about ego of the prosecutors and publicity for their |
BREMPRO |
Sep-29-09 08:45 PM |
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Excellent post. Thank you. (nt) |
scarletwoman |
Sep-29-09 09:27 PM |
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Is statutory rape one of those crimes where they ask the victim if they want to press charges? |
redqueen |
Sep-29-09 03:45 PM |
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state of california vs. polanski |
noiretextatique |
Sep-29-09 04:31 PM |
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Sad how easily that simple fact seems to escape some people here. |
redqueen |
Sep-29-09 04:34 PM |
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Maybe Polanski will quickly plead guilty |
Yupster |
Sep-30-09 08:21 AM |
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Not Surprising |
WeekendWarrior |
Sep-29-09 03:49 PM |
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As of 2003 she still wanted to see him punished. |
Nuclear Unicorn |
Sep-29-09 04:25 PM |
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That is a lie. In 1997 she wrote a letter to the court asking for the |
Thickasabrick |
Sep-29-09 04:32 PM |
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OK,then just for sake of argument... |
Nuclear Unicorn |
Sep-29-09 05:10 PM |
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I don't understand the question. What lame excuse? nt |
Thickasabrick |
Sep-29-09 05:12 PM |
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The lame excuse that the victim's desire for obscurity exonerates the crime. |
Nuclear Unicorn |
Sep-29-09 05:31 PM |
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With apologies, here is the link |
madmusic |
Sep-29-09 09:06 PM |
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Unrecced and SO happy that the rape apologists of DU don't write policy. |
Maru Kitteh |
Sep-29-09 09:09 PM |
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As been pointed out before, it's state of Ca vs. Polanski. |
LisaL |
Sep-29-09 09:19 PM |
#94 |
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