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Sun Sep-27-09 08:39 PM
Response to Reply #88 |
| 103. Actually, I lay it at the feet of the US and Mexican governments |
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Edited on Sun Sep-27-09 08:39 PM by friendly_iconoclast
The US government:
for handing out Soviet-bloc infantry weapons like they were AOL discs (for those of a certain age) back in the day to provide plausably deniable aid to various contras and paramilitaries- thanks, Ronnie!
Now, a lot of real-deal Kalashnikov Klones come from factories who don't ask too many questions of customers who pay with hard cash- like, frinstance, drug cartels.
The Mexican government:
For letting all those military and police-only weapons they buy directly from the US manufacturers grow legs and walk out of warehouses.
Or 'fall of the back of a truck', to put it another way.
Now, it wouldn't do at all for Sec. Clinton to tell MX Pres. Calderon that his government makes Chicago's look like a Common Cause meet-and-greet.
So the two of them maintain the fiction that all those machine guns and rocket launchers the MX government keeps seizing and displaying come from US gun shops and swap meets.
And if the preceding hasn't depressed you enough- the cartels would be very happy to supply some of the weapons discussed to RW nutters (if the price was right, of course)
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| -How many must die before we call it terrorism? |
nashville_brook |
Sep-26-09 10:45 PM |
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Silly! It's only terrorism when done by brown people, animal rights groups, or Alan Rickman. |
laconicsax |
Sep-26-09 10:59 PM |
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imagine if this were a dead Tea Bagger found bound/gagged with "gun nut" written on his chest |
nashville_brook |
Sep-27-09 11:09 AM |
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Someone with dark skin would be immediately blamed. |
laconicsax |
Sep-27-09 01:22 PM |
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oh, hell yeah. i remember the day of the Oklahoma City bombing, i worked for an ad agency |
nashville_brook |
Sep-27-09 02:16 PM |
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yeah, I remember that too--they immediately blamed the A-rabs |
yurbud |
Sep-27-09 04:34 PM |
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Exactly |
TheBigotBasher |
Sep-27-09 04:17 PM |
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maybe it's a reaction that FOX-bias fueling the left's inability to call out legitimate threats... |
nashville_brook |
Sep-27-09 04:30 PM |
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It's not terrorism until it costs some big special interest money. |
flvegan |
Sep-26-09 11:01 PM |
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god help them if they smash a window in a Burger King |
nashville_brook |
Sep-27-09 09:39 AM |
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You know a few folks, even here, are still hiding the head in |
nadinbrzezinski |
Sep-26-09 11:08 PM |
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amazing how the rest of the Republican party is silently letting this nuttery swing far and wide |
nashville_brook |
Sep-26-09 11:14 PM |
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You are talking of the modern GOP |
nadinbrzezinski |
Sep-26-09 11:16 PM |
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the inmates have taken over the asylum |
nashville_brook |
Sep-26-09 11:20 PM |
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Sadly yes, and sadly they remind me of another |
nadinbrzezinski |
Sep-26-09 11:34 PM |
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the way it's going, the "normal" Republicans are going to have to be the ones who splinter. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-26-09 11:41 PM |
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Those where the ones who splintered in 1852 |
nadinbrzezinski |
Sep-26-09 11:43 PM |
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Some Of Us Are Also Waiting For A Police Report... |
KharmaTrain |
Sep-27-09 07:45 AM |
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I didn't interpret |
billh58 |
Sep-27-09 01:28 PM |
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Michelle Malkin is demanding an apology!! |
nashville_brook |
Sep-26-09 11:10 PM |
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I'll say it: these wingnuts are more dangerous than al-Qaeda. Agree/disagree? |
Kievan Rus |
Sep-26-09 11:22 PM |
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Disagree. (n/t) |
Seeking Serenity |
Sep-26-09 11:27 PM |
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Remember a US Senator was canned in |
nadinbrzezinski |
Sep-26-09 11:31 PM |
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absolutely agree. to anyone not recognized as a "patriot" these people are real threat. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-26-09 11:35 PM |
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Exactly. Jihadists have the same mindset, except for a different religion |
Kievan Rus |
Sep-26-09 11:39 PM |
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Well I have said this before about fanatics |
nadinbrzezinski |
Sep-26-09 11:43 PM |
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that's a good one! |
nashville_brook |
Sep-26-09 11:48 PM |
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Those who lost family on 9-11 and the dead if they could speak would disagree |
stray cat |
Sep-27-09 07:18 AM |
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And those who |
billh58 |
Sep-27-09 01:40 PM |
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indeed: 168 dead -- 19 children -- 800 injured -->>> |
nashville_brook |
Sep-27-09 02:10 PM |
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this intelligence report cites "small terrorist cell and lone wolves" as our most significant threat |
nashville_brook |
Sep-27-09 10:20 AM |
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certainly if they ever gain real and unrestrained political power, they could be far more dangerous |
Douglas Carpenter |
Sep-27-09 10:24 AM |
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these folks have already been given unrestrained political power thru the Bush Admin, and look |
nashville_brook |
Sep-27-09 11:47 AM |
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the Bush Administration was bad enough. It appears to me that the current Republican |
Douglas Carpenter |
Sep-27-09 12:46 PM |
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definitely -- a scared, injured animal is way more dangerous than a fat, happy one. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-27-09 01:11 PM |
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Disagree 100% |
Flatulo |
Sep-27-09 12:23 PM |
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I agree 110% |
LiberalTexasDemocrat |
Sep-27-09 12:56 PM |
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the US is operating like a giant dysfunctional family with an abusive parent. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-27-09 01:19 PM |
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Do a body count and reassess your position. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Sep-27-09 01:34 PM |
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The Jihadists were more dangerous then.... |
Kievan Rus |
Sep-27-09 09:49 PM |
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Who has given them free reign? The Man has arrested them when they commit violent crimes. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Sep-28-09 11:08 AM |
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Agree! |
billh58 |
Sep-27-09 01:47 PM |
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Agree. nt |
bertman |
Sep-27-09 04:03 PM |
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Both are dangerous |
Hippo_Tron |
Sep-27-09 08:08 PM |
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Very very impressive thread |
grantcart |
Sep-26-09 11:25 PM |
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"How many will die before the MSM calls it domestic terrorism" |
wroberts189 |
Sep-26-09 11:29 PM |
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agreed -- i suck at subject lines |
nashville_brook |
Sep-27-09 01:20 AM |
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It was fine.. I was just adding my own penny to it :) |
wroberts189 |
Sep-27-09 03:06 AM |
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Free speech or terrorism - are we really if favor of arresting people for free speech? |
stray cat |
Sep-27-09 07:20 AM |
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no one's calling for ending free speech. but, i see you're not sure which meme to go with: |
nashville_brook |
Sep-27-09 09:15 AM |
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I just wonder if the founding fathers had this kind of free speach in mind... |
stuball111 |
Sep-27-09 02:15 AM |
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Freedom of Speech is already granted selectively -- look at Pittsburgh |
nashville_brook |
Sep-27-09 09:22 AM |
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Not many adults there but a few |
laughingliberal |
Sep-27-09 09:41 AM |
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Makes you sick eh? |
stuball111 |
Sep-27-09 12:36 PM |
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same shit happened at dead shows in the 80s. as for free speech, |
nashville_brook |
Sep-27-09 01:10 PM |
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True... |
stuball111 |
Sep-27-09 01:22 PM |
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i saw one writer yesterday criticizing Bachmann as a "gift to the Democrats" -- not a |
nashville_brook |
Sep-27-09 01:32 PM |
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Yes it is... |
stuball111 |
Sep-27-09 02:11 PM |
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i've actually been thinking about that a LOT lately -- where's that McCain maverickiness? |
nashville_brook |
Sep-27-09 02:17 PM |
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Gone... he's just settin back collecting paychecks now...nt |
stuball111 |
Sep-27-09 02:20 PM |
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dupe-delete |
nashville_brook |
Sep-27-09 09:22 AM |
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Sometimes murderers are just murderers.... |
stray cat |
Sep-27-09 07:17 AM |
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Not when they employ terrorist tactics that are perpetuated via Establishment $ and directives |
Echo In Light |
Sep-27-09 07:20 AM |
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yep -- if this were a decomposing body in a shallow grave, then it would "just" be a murder... |
nashville_brook |
Sep-27-09 09:52 AM |
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Its not terrorism-Its civil war |
conscious evolution |
Sep-27-09 08:15 AM |
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not even close. |
cali |
Sep-27-09 09:54 AM |
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some on the extreme right wing are calling for that -- we can't pretend this hyperbole isn't harmful |
nashville_brook |
Sep-27-09 10:47 AM |
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Please, if they didn't call the OKC bombing an act of right wing terrorism, which it was, |
MadHound |
Sep-27-09 11:13 AM |
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First they came for the abortion doctors and I didn't say anything because I wasn't an abortion doc |
nashville_brook |
Sep-27-09 11:18 AM |
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They're terrorists! |
Joanne98 |
Sep-27-09 11:15 AM |
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Right-Wing Terrorism Must Be Stopped -- Rachel Maddow |
nashville_brook |
Sep-27-09 12:14 PM |
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I guess hate speech and invective are only bad on some occasions? |
Bluenorthwest |
Sep-27-09 11:30 AM |
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this courting of the Fruit Loop Wing of the Republican Party must be called out every time. period. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-27-09 11:39 AM |
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That is correct, |
Bluenorthwest |
Sep-27-09 12:05 PM |
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I asked this last week, and was pilloried as a result - here on DU |
Taverner |
Sep-27-09 01:37 PM |
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i noticed that too-this is my response. people can be all the southern/texan/christian |
nashville_brook |
Sep-27-09 01:52 PM |
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In all honesty, I wonder how many of these folks are really Democrats |
Taverner |
Sep-27-09 01:54 PM |
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in researching this i came across a handful of RW blogs/articles referencing DU |
nashville_brook |
Sep-27-09 05:14 PM |
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I have to wonder... |
Ho Tai |
Sep-27-09 01:39 PM |
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it's a very interesting sociological question, and one that can be addressed best with |
nashville_brook |
Sep-27-09 02:04 PM |
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I would argue |
billh58 |
Sep-27-09 02:44 PM |
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my liberal, peace-loving uncle has been a member of the NRA for decades -- said that liberals needed |
nashville_brook |
Sep-27-09 04:00 PM |
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I don't believe |
billh58 |
Sep-27-09 05:25 PM |
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Policy Shift in U.S.-Mexico Cross-border Illegal Drug & Weapons Trade |
nashville_brook |
Sep-27-09 06:15 PM |
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Thanks for |
billh58 |
Sep-27-09 06:37 PM |
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Actually, I lay it at the feet of the US and Mexican governments |
friendly_iconoclast |
Sep-27-09 08:39 PM |
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Thing is, most of the serious hardware the cartels are using |
benEzra |
Sep-27-09 07:40 PM |
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So our |
billh58 |
Sep-27-09 07:57 PM |
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Not our government, *their* government. The MX .gov has a weapons monopoly |
friendly_iconoclast |
Sep-27-09 08:58 PM |
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No, our government sells arms to the Mexican military and law enforcement.... |
benEzra |
Sep-28-09 01:07 PM |
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Interesting comment, Ho Tai. You may be right that this could happen; although, |
bertman |
Sep-27-09 04:20 PM |
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drunk-drivers kill upwards of 35,000 EVERY YEAR in the U.S.... |
dysfunctional press |
Sep-27-09 04:11 PM |
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drunk drivers aren't engaging in political action, you're free to fear them -- but they don't meet |
nashville_brook |
Sep-27-09 04:15 PM |
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they're still more dangerous to every single person in this society than ANY terrorist. |
dysfunctional press |
Sep-27-09 10:07 PM |
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I was more concerned about future acts of terrorism after Oklahoma City... |
yurbud |
Sep-27-09 04:41 PM |
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i agree -- i don't think there's a threat of large-scale/organized violence... |
nashville_brook |
Sep-27-09 05:48 PM |
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if they do that, it could backfire--look at LBJ and the Great Society after JFK |
yurbud |
Sep-27-09 07:40 PM |
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whoa -- i've never thought of great society like that, but, that actually makes sense. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-27-09 09:27 PM |
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I'd take LBJ since we'll have the wars anyway |
yurbud |
Sep-28-09 05:16 PM |
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I still like the idea of an improved hate crime bill |
AsahinaKimi |
Sep-27-09 05:45 PM |
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hell yeah -- it seems like incitements to violence should be fined just like boobs. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-27-09 05:54 PM |
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But Sparkman might have commited suicide. |
Seldona |
Sep-27-09 06:59 PM |
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:) -- eggsactly. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-27-09 07:55 PM |
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it's terrorism |
wial |
Sep-27-09 07:01 PM |
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I see a strong correlation between those who disagree and the RKBA Du'er here |
whoneedstickets |
Sep-27-09 07:10 PM |
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had to google rkba -- |
nashville_brook |
Sep-27-09 07:40 PM |
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Too true, |
billh58 |
Sep-27-09 08:04 PM |
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Who's "they"? |
benEzra |
Sep-28-09 08:52 PM |
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For 8 years radical right said liberals sympathetic to terro |
Alcibiades |
Sep-27-09 07:20 PM |
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ain't that the truth -- on both counts! |
nashville_brook |
Sep-27-09 07:46 PM |
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Uh... it's like pulling teeth just getting white folks to call other white folks "racist"... |
BlooInBloo |
Sep-27-09 07:48 PM |
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It is my fervent hope that BHO is biding his time, giving the whole lot of 'em enough rope to hang |
indepat |
Sep-27-09 08:03 PM |
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