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103. Actually, I lay it at the feet of the US and Mexican governments
Edited on Sun Sep-27-09 08:39 PM by friendly_iconoclast
The US government:

for handing out Soviet-bloc infantry weapons like they were AOL discs (for those of a certain age) back in the day to provide plausably deniable aid to various contras and paramilitaries- thanks, Ronnie!

Now, a lot of real-deal Kalashnikov Klones come from factories who don't ask too many questions of customers who pay
with hard cash- like, frinstance, drug cartels.

The Mexican government:

For letting all those military and police-only weapons they buy directly from the US manufacturers
grow legs and walk out of warehouses.

Or 'fall of the back of a truck', to put it another way.

Now, it wouldn't do at all for Sec. Clinton to tell MX Pres. Calderon that his government makes Chicago's look
like a Common Cause meet-and-greet.

So the two of them maintain the fiction that all those machine guns and rocket launchers the MX government
keeps seizing and displaying come from US gun shops and swap meets.

And if the preceding hasn't depressed you enough- the cartels would be very happy to supply some of the weapons discussed
to RW nutters (if the price was right, of course)
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  -How many must die before we call it terrorism? nashville_brook  Sep-26-09 10:45 PM   #0 
  - Silly! It's only terrorism when done by brown people, animal rights groups, or Alan Rickman.  laconicsax   Sep-26-09 10:59 PM   #1 
  - imagine if this were a dead Tea Bagger found bound/gagged with "gun nut" written on his chest  nashville_brook   Sep-27-09 11:09 AM   #39 
     - Someone with dark skin would be immediately blamed.  laconicsax   Sep-27-09 01:22 PM   #56 
        - oh, hell yeah. i remember the day of the Oklahoma City bombing, i worked for an ad agency  nashville_brook   Sep-27-09 02:16 PM   #69 
        - yeah, I remember that too--they immediately blamed the A-rabs  yurbud   Sep-27-09 04:34 PM   #80 
        - Exactly  TheBigotBasher   Sep-27-09 04:17 PM   #77 
           - maybe it's a reaction that FOX-bias fueling the left's inability to call out legitimate threats...  nashville_brook   Sep-27-09 04:30 PM   #79 
  - It's not terrorism until it costs some big special interest money.  flvegan   Sep-26-09 11:01 PM   #2 
  - god help them if they smash a window in a Burger King  nashville_brook   Sep-27-09 09:39 AM   #32 
  - You know a few folks, even here, are still hiding the head in  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-26-09 11:08 PM   #3 
  - amazing how the rest of the Republican party is silently letting this nuttery swing far and wide  nashville_brook   Sep-26-09 11:14 PM   #5 
  - You are talking of the modern GOP  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-26-09 11:16 PM   #6 
     - the inmates have taken over the asylum  nashville_brook   Sep-26-09 11:20 PM   #7 
        - Sadly yes, and sadly they remind me of another  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-26-09 11:34 PM   #13 
           - the way it's going, the "normal" Republicans are going to have to be the ones who splinter.  nashville_brook   Sep-26-09 11:41 PM   #16 
              - Those where the ones who splintered in 1852  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-26-09 11:43 PM   #17 
  - Some Of Us Are Also Waiting For A Police Report...  KharmaTrain   Sep-27-09 07:45 AM   #27 
     - I didn't interpret  billh58   Sep-27-09 01:28 PM   #57 
  - Michelle Malkin is demanding an apology!!  nashville_brook   Sep-26-09 11:10 PM   #4 
  - I'll say it: these wingnuts are more dangerous than al-Qaeda. Agree/disagree?  Kievan Rus   Sep-26-09 11:22 PM   #8 
  - Disagree. (n/t)  Seeking Serenity   Sep-26-09 11:27 PM   #10 
  - Remember a US Senator was canned in  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-26-09 11:31 PM   #12 
  - absolutely agree. to anyone not recognized as a "patriot" these people are real threat.  nashville_brook   Sep-26-09 11:35 PM   #14 
  - Exactly. Jihadists have the same mindset, except for a different religion  Kievan Rus   Sep-26-09 11:39 PM   #15 
     - Well I have said this before about fanatics  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-26-09 11:43 PM   #18 
        - that's a good one!  nashville_brook   Sep-26-09 11:48 PM   #19 
  - Those who lost family on 9-11 and the dead if they could speak would disagree  stray cat   Sep-27-09 07:18 AM   #24 
  - And those who  billh58   Sep-27-09 01:40 PM   #62 
     - indeed: 168 dead -- 19 children -- 800 injured -->>>  nashville_brook   Sep-27-09 02:10 PM   #67 
  - this intelligence report cites "small terrorist cell and lone wolves" as our most significant threat  nashville_brook   Sep-27-09 10:20 AM   #36 
  - certainly if they ever gain real and unrestrained political power, they could be far more dangerous  Douglas Carpenter   Sep-27-09 10:24 AM   #37 
  - these folks have already been given unrestrained political power thru the Bush Admin, and look  nashville_brook   Sep-27-09 11:47 AM   #45 
     - the Bush Administration was bad enough. It appears to me that the current Republican  Douglas Carpenter   Sep-27-09 12:46 PM   #50 
        - definitely -- a scared, injured animal is way more dangerous than a fat, happy one.  nashville_brook   Sep-27-09 01:11 PM   #53 
  - Disagree 100%  Flatulo   Sep-27-09 12:23 PM   #48 
  - I agree 110%  LiberalTexasDemocrat   Sep-27-09 12:56 PM   #51 
  - the US is operating like a giant dysfunctional family with an abusive parent.  nashville_brook   Sep-27-09 01:19 PM   #54 
  - Do a body count and reassess your position.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-27-09 01:34 PM   #59 
  - The Jihadists were more dangerous then....  Kievan Rus   Sep-27-09 09:49 PM   #106 
     - Who has given them free reign? The Man has arrested them when they commit violent crimes.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-28-09 11:08 AM   #108 
  - Agree!  billh58   Sep-27-09 01:47 PM   #63 
  - Agree. nt  bertman   Sep-27-09 04:03 PM   #74 
  - Both are dangerous  Hippo_Tron   Sep-27-09 08:08 PM   #102 
  - Very very impressive thread  grantcart   Sep-26-09 11:25 PM   #9 
  - "How many will die before the MSM calls it domestic terrorism"  wroberts189   Sep-26-09 11:29 PM   #11 
  - agreed -- i suck at subject lines  nashville_brook   Sep-27-09 01:20 AM   #20 
  - It was fine.. I was just adding my own penny to it :)  wroberts189   Sep-27-09 03:06 AM   #22 
  - Free speech or terrorism - are we really if favor of arresting people for free speech?  stray cat   Sep-27-09 07:20 AM   #25 
     - no one's calling for ending free speech. but, i see you're not sure which meme to go with:  nashville_brook   Sep-27-09 09:15 AM   #29 
  - I just wonder if the founding fathers had this kind of free speach in mind...  stuball111   Sep-27-09 02:15 AM   #21 
  - Freedom of Speech is already granted selectively -- look at Pittsburgh  nashville_brook   Sep-27-09 09:22 AM   #30 
  - Not many adults there but a few  laughingliberal   Sep-27-09 09:41 AM   #33 
  - Makes you sick eh?  stuball111   Sep-27-09 12:36 PM   #49 
     - same shit happened at dead shows in the 80s. as for free speech,  nashville_brook   Sep-27-09 01:10 PM   #52 
        - True...  stuball111   Sep-27-09 01:22 PM   #55 
           - i saw one writer yesterday criticizing Bachmann as a "gift to the Democrats" -- not a  nashville_brook   Sep-27-09 01:32 PM   #58 
              - Yes it is...  stuball111   Sep-27-09 02:11 PM   #68 
                 - i've actually been thinking about that a LOT lately -- where's that McCain maverickiness?  nashville_brook   Sep-27-09 02:17 PM   #70 
                    - Gone... he's just settin back collecting paychecks now...nt  stuball111   Sep-27-09 02:20 PM   #71 
  - dupe-delete  nashville_brook   Sep-27-09 09:22 AM   #31 
  - Sometimes murderers are just murderers....  stray cat   Sep-27-09 07:17 AM   #23 
  - Not when they employ terrorist tactics that are perpetuated via Establishment $ and directives  Echo In Light   Sep-27-09 07:20 AM   #26 
     - yep -- if this were a decomposing body in a shallow grave, then it would "just" be a murder...  nashville_brook   Sep-27-09 09:52 AM   #34 
  - Its not terrorism-Its civil war  conscious evolution   Sep-27-09 08:15 AM   #28 
  - not even close.  cali   Sep-27-09 09:54 AM   #35 
  - some on the extreme right wing are calling for that -- we can't pretend this hyperbole isn't harmful  nashville_brook   Sep-27-09 10:47 AM   #38 
  - Please, if they didn't call the OKC bombing an act of right wing terrorism, which it was,  MadHound   Sep-27-09 11:13 AM   #40 
  - First they came for the abortion doctors and I didn't say anything because I wasn't an abortion doc  nashville_brook   Sep-27-09 11:18 AM   #42 
  - They're terrorists!  Joanne98   Sep-27-09 11:15 AM   #41 
  - Right-Wing Terrorism Must Be Stopped -- Rachel Maddow  nashville_brook   Sep-27-09 12:14 PM   #47 
  - I guess hate speech and invective are only bad on some occasions?  Bluenorthwest   Sep-27-09 11:30 AM   #43 
  - this courting of the Fruit Loop Wing of the Republican Party must be called out every time. period.  nashville_brook   Sep-27-09 11:39 AM   #44 
     - That is correct,  Bluenorthwest   Sep-27-09 12:05 PM   #46 
  - I asked this last week, and was pilloried as a result - here on DU  Taverner   Sep-27-09 01:37 PM   #60 
  - i noticed that too-this is my response. people can be all the southern/texan/christian  nashville_brook   Sep-27-09 01:52 PM   #64 
     - In all honesty, I wonder how many of these folks are really Democrats  Taverner   Sep-27-09 01:54 PM   #65 
        - in researching this i came across a handful of RW blogs/articles referencing DU  nashville_brook   Sep-27-09 05:14 PM   #82 
  - I have to wonder...  Ho Tai   Sep-27-09 01:39 PM   #61 
  - it's a very interesting sociological question, and one that can be addressed best with  nashville_brook   Sep-27-09 02:04 PM   #66 
  - I would argue  billh58   Sep-27-09 02:44 PM   #72 
  - my liberal, peace-loving uncle has been a member of the NRA for decades -- said that liberals needed  nashville_brook   Sep-27-09 04:00 PM   #73 
     - I don't believe  billh58   Sep-27-09 05:25 PM   #83 
        - Policy Shift in U.S.-Mexico Cross-border Illegal Drug & Weapons Trade  nashville_brook   Sep-27-09 06:15 PM   #87 
        - Thanks for  billh58   Sep-27-09 06:37 PM   #88 
           - Actually, I lay it at the feet of the US and Mexican governments  friendly_iconoclast   Sep-27-09 08:39 PM   #103 
        - Thing is, most of the serious hardware the cartels are using  benEzra   Sep-27-09 07:40 PM   #94 
           - So our  billh58   Sep-27-09 07:57 PM   #99 
              - Not our government, *their* government. The MX .gov has a weapons monopoly  friendly_iconoclast   Sep-27-09 08:58 PM   #104 
              - No, our government sells arms to the Mexican military and law enforcement....  benEzra   Sep-28-09 01:07 PM   #109 
  - Interesting comment, Ho Tai. You may be right that this could happen; although,  bertman   Sep-27-09 04:20 PM   #78 
  - drunk-drivers kill upwards of 35,000 EVERY YEAR in the U.S....  dysfunctional press   Sep-27-09 04:11 PM   #75 
  - drunk drivers aren't engaging in political action, you're free to fear them -- but they don't meet  nashville_brook   Sep-27-09 04:15 PM   #76 
     - they're still more dangerous to every single person in this society than ANY terrorist.  dysfunctional press   Sep-27-09 10:07 PM   #107 
  - I was more concerned about future acts of terrorism after Oklahoma City...  yurbud   Sep-27-09 04:41 PM   #81 
  - i agree -- i don't think there's a threat of large-scale/organized violence...  nashville_brook   Sep-27-09 05:48 PM   #85 
     - if they do that, it could backfire--look at LBJ and the Great Society after JFK  yurbud   Sep-27-09 07:40 PM   #95 
        - whoa -- i've never thought of great society like that, but, that actually makes sense.  nashville_brook   Sep-27-09 09:27 PM   #105 
           - I'd take LBJ since we'll have the wars anyway  yurbud   Sep-28-09 05:16 PM   #110 
  - I still like the idea of an improved hate crime bill  AsahinaKimi   Sep-27-09 05:45 PM   #84 
  - hell yeah -- it seems like incitements to violence should be fined just like boobs.  nashville_brook   Sep-27-09 05:54 PM   #86 
  - But Sparkman might have commited suicide.  Seldona   Sep-27-09 06:59 PM   #89 
  - :) -- eggsactly.  nashville_brook   Sep-27-09 07:55 PM   #98 
  - it's terrorism  wial   Sep-27-09 07:01 PM   #90 
  - I see a strong correlation between those who disagree and the RKBA Du'er here  whoneedstickets   Sep-27-09 07:10 PM   #91 
  - had to google rkba --  nashville_brook   Sep-27-09 07:40 PM   #93 
     - Too true,  billh58   Sep-27-09 08:04 PM   #101 
        - Who's "they"?  benEzra   Sep-28-09 08:52 PM   #111 
  - For 8 years radical right said liberals sympathetic to terro  Alcibiades   Sep-27-09 07:20 PM   #92 
  - ain't that the truth -- on both counts!  nashville_brook   Sep-27-09 07:46 PM   #96 
  - Uh... it's like pulling teeth just getting white folks to call other white folks "racist"...  BlooInBloo   Sep-27-09 07:48 PM   #97 
  - It is my fervent hope that BHO is biding his time, giving the whole lot of 'em enough rope to hang  indepat   Sep-27-09 08:03 PM   #100 
 

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