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lifesbeautifulmagic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 06:06 PM
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65. if mandated coverage is passed
to be bought only from for profit companies, that will become THE issue in the next few election cycles, and that won't play well for the Dems, imho.
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  -Mandated Healthcare is NOT a "tax." RBInMaine  Sep-26-09 06:18 PM   #0 
  - nope, my aunt doesnt have to get auto ins because she doesnt drive  NightWatcher   Sep-26-09 06:21 PM   #1 
  - +1  ingac70   Sep-26-09 07:26 PM   #18 
  - No it's mandated for car OWNERS  TorchTheWitch   Sep-26-09 09:06 PM   #31 
  - ?? Fine, liability and it covers the other person's damage. And, if you are financed you must have  RBInMaine   Sep-26-09 09:12 PM   #34 
     - People are not required to own a car  laughingliberal   Sep-26-09 09:47 PM   #47 
  - We are already "taxed" by emergency rooms for those without ins. Let's get them covered somehow.  RBInMaine   Sep-26-09 09:25 PM   #38 
  - We've been thru this. Auto ins is not at all the same as health ins. -eom  Justitia   Sep-26-09 06:22 PM   #2 
  - gawd  Skittles   Sep-26-09 06:25 PM   #3 
  - It is the principal of risk-spread, not cars vs. healthcare, though car ins. covers injury as well.  RBInMaine   Sep-26-09 09:21 PM   #36 
  - Private insurance companies are in the business of AVOIDING risk spreading  eridani   Sep-27-09 01:30 AM   #53 
  - Gawd, if I hear one more person call every cost necessity a "tax" I think I'LL puke.  RBInMaine   Sep-26-09 09:26 PM   #39 
     - what does it matter what the fuck it is called?  Skittles   Sep-26-09 09:33 PM   #40 
     - It's a tax...  regnaD kciN   Sep-26-09 09:42 PM   #44 
  - To pass constitutional muster, it actually is:  Junkdrawer   Sep-26-09 06:27 PM   #4 
  - for instance.. motor cycle helmets were required because the "State" decided it cheaper  sam sarrha   Sep-26-09 06:30 PM   #5 
  - Exactly. Same for the cost of airbags passed to the consumer. And many other things in life.  RBInMaine   Sep-26-09 09:23 PM   #37 
  - Those of us that believed Obama when he campaigned against mandates should  Gravel Democrat   Sep-26-09 06:35 PM   #6 
  - What happened to single payer which Obama suported in summer 2008? n/t  Mimosa   Sep-26-09 06:52 PM   #10 
  - Obama CONCEDED single payer before they ever got started.  Kansas Wyatt   Sep-26-09 07:52 PM   #23 
     - No, Dems knew Medicare For All couldn't pass right now. Let's be positive. Reform+Public Option  RBInMaine   Sep-26-09 09:33 PM   #41 
        - There is no fucking way that a public option that is postponed until 2013 can work  eridani   Sep-27-09 01:33 AM   #54 
        - So when did all of the OUTRAGE against Medicare happen?  Kansas Wyatt   Sep-27-09 01:38 PM   #58 
           - Read posts above this one ^^^  Mimosa   Sep-28-09 03:42 AM   #67 
  - thanks for the photo, that just about says it all... so sad...  nightrain   Sep-26-09 07:10 PM   #14 
  - I don't really care if it's a tax or not. Insurance companies getting potentially more customers...  BlooInBloo   Sep-26-09 06:36 PM   #7 
  - The proposed public options heavily restrict who can join  eridani   Sep-27-09 01:34 AM   #55 
  - True, not a tax. It's a payback to  Autumn   Sep-26-09 06:37 PM   #8 
  - Yes it is. I can chose not to own or operate a motor vehicle.  anigbrowl   Sep-26-09 06:52 PM   #9 
  - Yes,  quaker bill   Sep-26-09 07:01 PM   #13 
  - It is a form of tax, but so what? The question is whether the plan is just.  JackRiddler   Sep-26-09 06:56 PM   #11 
  - Some kinds of tax are constitutional, others are not  anigbrowl   Sep-26-09 07:32 PM   #20 
     - I don't see how this applies, however...  JackRiddler   Sep-26-09 08:20 PM   #24 
        - If it's mandatory it's a form of capitation, and yes it is a kind of tax  anigbrowl   Sep-27-09 05:50 PM   #64 
  - LOL  Old Codger   Sep-26-09 07:01 PM   #12 
  - It does not matter.  quaker bill   Sep-26-09 07:10 PM   #15 
  - Of course n/t  Inuca   Sep-27-09 01:39 PM   #59 
  - So the tax law is discriminatory against my family  Bluenorthwest   Sep-26-09 07:18 PM   #16 
  - +1  anigbrowl   Sep-26-09 07:32 PM   #21 
  - You said it well.  juno jones   Sep-27-09 12:02 AM   #51 
  - Mandated health INSURANCE is!!  ingac70   Sep-26-09 07:26 PM   #17 
  - No, it's just another screw-the-consumer bill  alarimer   Sep-26-09 07:31 PM   #19 
  - How do you plan to enforce mandated insurance against homeless people?  Kansas Wyatt   Sep-26-09 07:38 PM   #22 
  - Debtors prison  Oregone   Sep-26-09 08:35 PM   #27 
     - And they can do stuff while in prison, like pick crops. There, illegal  Thickasabrick   Sep-27-09 01:50 PM   #61 
  - Let's go over this again  havocmom   Sep-26-09 08:22 PM   #25 
  - No. But its stupid  Oregone   Sep-26-09 08:34 PM   #26 
  - Plenty of people don't own a car, can I disown my body?  EmeraldCityGrl   Sep-26-09 08:38 PM   #28 
  - Mandated insurance is a "poll tax," falling heavily on the working poor  WeCanWorkItOut   Sep-26-09 08:50 PM   #29 
  - you're right it is not a tax  Chisox08   Sep-26-09 08:53 PM   #30 
  - Singlepayer isn't happening, so give the public option and market reforms a chance.  RBInMaine   Sep-26-09 09:07 PM   #32 
     - Which public option?  Better Believe It   Sep-26-09 09:45 PM   #46 
        - The one that is going to  Inuca   Sep-27-09 01:45 PM   #60 
  - Stop supporting Democratic Politicians and Start supporting Democratic Principles  Fading Captain   Sep-26-09 09:11 PM   #33 
  - Just for you, RBinMaine: a repost  Nikki Stone1   Sep-26-09 09:15 PM   #35 
  - Do you still say the same thing if there's no public option...?  regnaD kciN   Sep-26-09 09:41 PM   #42 
  - Good post. I would like to add  Inuca   Sep-27-09 01:51 PM   #62 
  - You are WAY off track.  Matariki   Sep-26-09 09:42 PM   #43 
  - So people who refuse to pay big fees to the insurance industry should be fined?  Better Believe It   Sep-26-09 09:44 PM   #45 
  - No we don't ALL need auto insurance, and to say that we do is disingenuous.  cherokeeprogressive   Sep-26-09 09:48 PM   #48 
  - There are only five relevant words in this Post.  TheWatcher   Sep-26-09 09:50 PM   #49 
  - I don't think anybody should be born with an obligation for the money we spent, either.  Lagomorph   Sep-26-09 09:59 PM   #50 
  - The ACLU doesn't believe mandatory health insurance is a tax.  MilesColtrane   Sep-27-09 12:34 AM   #52 
  - Is Social Security a "tax"?  TicketyBoo   Sep-27-09 01:16 PM   #56 
  - WHy is this statement so controversial???  Inuca   Sep-27-09 01:37 PM   #57 
  - "The consequence for not maintaining insurance would be an excise tax."  sl8   Sep-27-09 03:00 PM   #63 
  - if mandated coverage is passed  lifesbeautifulmagic   Sep-27-09 06:06 PM   #65 
  - From the first line of the OP, no we do not all need to get auto  Obamanaut   Sep-27-09 06:22 PM   #66 

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