Jim Sagle
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Mon Jan-29-07 06:47 PM
Response to Reply #112 |
| 118. Gore certainly helped w steal 2000 with his soft campaign. |
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Edited on Mon Jan-29-07 06:47 PM by Jim Sagle
But if he had taken office:
1) There would've been no 911 (since it was an obvious inside job);
2) There would've been no anthrax attacks (since they were obvious inside jobs as well);
3) There would've been no Iraq war (since it served no useful purpose); and
4) The surplus would've been used for public purposes instead of stolen by the kleptocrats.
Gore was DLC, but he was more than that, as witness his evolution since then. Compare and contrast to Bill.
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| -How Could Edwards Hope to Be Pure Enough? Remember This Guy? |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 03:38 PM |
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Ya, that Nader thing didn't work out too good. |
Rosemary2205 |
Jan-28-07 03:43 PM |
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Apologist rhetoric |
depakid |
Jan-28-07 03:46 PM |
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Right, because America hates nothing more than people with big houses. |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 03:48 PM |
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If Oprah was actually running for president, her absurdly affluent lifestyle would get brought up. |
Ken Burch |
Jan-28-07 04:16 PM |
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and instantly, global warming becomes a meaningless non-issue |
meow mix |
Jan-28-07 03:49 PM |
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If Edwards' home was the greatest factor impacting global warming you might have a point. |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 03:54 PM |
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All I've heard in support so far are shallow "memes" |
depakid |
Jan-28-07 04:09 PM |
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EVERYBODY does |
sandnsea |
Jan-28-07 04:13 PM |
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That's why a candidate's stand on POLICY matters more than the lightbulbs |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 05:26 PM |
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Bull. Shit. |
sandnsea |
Jan-28-07 05:41 PM |
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So FDR couldn't take initiative to help the poor because he was rich. |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 05:44 PM |
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He nearly went broke helping people |
sandnsea |
Jan-28-07 06:11 PM |
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So if you think the lightbulbs in Edwards' house matter more than policy he's fight |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 06:12 PM |
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Light bulbs & tents - diversionary bullshit |
sandnsea |
Jan-28-07 06:20 PM |
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And then we have the purity test. |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 06:23 PM |
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More diversionary bullshit |
sandnsea |
Jan-28-07 06:27 PM |
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Actually, I don't judge poor people for shopping at WalMart either. |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 06:31 PM |
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So nobody is challenged to change? |
sandnsea |
Jan-28-07 06:40 PM |
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I don't think judging people encourages them to change. |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 06:49 PM |
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More bullshit |
sandnsea |
Jan-28-07 07:07 PM |
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Recommending isn't demanding change, and if you think Edwards was not JUDGED |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 07:09 PM |
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He was not judged, he got some very mild criticism |
sandnsea |
Jan-28-07 07:35 PM |
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Al Gore recommends being carbon neutral. |
mzmolly |
Jan-28-07 07:23 PM |
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Not enough |
sandnsea |
Jan-28-07 07:33 PM |
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I think it's fine to challenge. |
mzmolly |
Jan-28-07 07:40 PM |
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And now we're back to my original post! |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 07:43 PM |
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Exactly! |
mzmolly |
Jan-28-07 07:47 PM |
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From people who have the money??? |
sandnsea |
Jan-28-07 07:53 PM |
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Yes - from them. Do you need perfection or will you take improvement? |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 07:58 PM |
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It's IN their control |
sandnsea |
Jan-28-07 08:13 PM |
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Seems like "selective perfection" to me? |
mzmolly |
Jan-28-07 08:18 PM |
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Only on your part |
sandnsea |
Jan-28-07 08:20 PM |
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What I choose to ignore are pathetic arguments, which is why you are now on IGNORE. |
mzmolly |
Jan-28-07 08:25 PM |
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SO we should instead have a purity test for our discussions? |
Sherman A1 |
Jan-29-07 03:17 AM |
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Why the double standard? Here is what you said about Kerry in the past primary season: |
mzmolly |
Jan-28-07 06:33 PM |
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. |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 06:35 PM |
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Bummer, can't see the pic? |
mzmolly |
Jan-28-07 06:36 PM |
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try again! |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 06:36 PM |
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Cute. |
mzmolly |
Jan-28-07 06:38 PM |
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I've already said they're included |
sandnsea |
Jan-28-07 06:38 PM |
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It's obvious Kerry's homes are not energy independent. |
mzmolly |
Jan-28-07 06:48 PM |
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No it isn't |
sandnsea |
Jan-28-07 07:04 PM |
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Yes it is. |
mzmolly |
Jan-28-07 07:18 PM |
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ALL - is the definition confusing??? |
sandnsea |
Jan-28-07 07:30 PM |
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Not confusing at all considering the hypocritical source. |
mzmolly |
Jan-28-07 07:38 PM |
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I have |
sandnsea |
Jan-28-07 07:52 PM |
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Kerry has said he doesn't have solar panels/shingles on his homes: |
mzmolly |
Jan-28-07 08:06 PM |
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First, "yet" Second, did you read the rest? |
sandnsea |
Jan-28-07 08:18 PM |
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So, you are ok with assuming the best about Kerry and demanding |
mzmolly |
Jan-28-07 08:24 PM |
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Hello??? I'M NOT |
sandnsea |
Jan-28-07 08:32 PM |
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There are ways to offset ones impact on the environment, as I've said before. |
mzmolly |
Jan-28-07 04:37 PM |
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Edwards doesn't need apologetics. Real Democrats know that. |
Jim Sagle |
Jan-28-07 03:58 PM |
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Sleepwalking |
depakid |
Jan-28-07 04:07 PM |
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Ralph Nader Thanks You for Your Vote. |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 04:11 PM |
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Future generations thank you |
depakid |
Jan-28-07 04:32 PM |
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Other voters won't give a flying fuck unless the RNC-controlled media tells them to. |
Jim Sagle |
Jan-28-07 05:37 PM |
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Wow, Jim, that's the first non-insulting and non-obscene post you've done in months now. |
Ken Burch |
Jan-28-07 04:25 PM |
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What would people do without the phrases "apologist" and "DLC?" |
mzmolly |
Jan-28-07 04:33 PM |
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DLC is a relatively "new" thing |
depakid |
Jan-28-07 05:15 PM |
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Well, it's even less original then I initially surmised. |
mzmolly |
Jan-28-07 06:20 PM |
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Touche' |
depakid |
Jan-29-07 02:44 AM |
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You're too kind Depakid. |
mzmolly |
Jan-29-07 04:33 PM |
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So if I understand this correctly |
Sherman A1 |
Jan-28-07 03:48 PM |
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Congrats -- you did not understand correctly! |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 03:51 PM |
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My apologies for participating in this discussion |
Sherman A1 |
Jan-28-07 04:07 PM |
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The lesson of 2000 was NOT that we have no right to ask anything from anti-GOP candidates. |
Ken Burch |
Jan-28-07 04:20 PM |
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On the other hand |
depakid |
Jan-29-07 04:26 PM |
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discussing positions and actions is fine |
frogcycle |
Jan-28-07 04:01 PM |
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Thanks mondo joe... |
Surya Gayatri |
Jan-28-07 03:51 PM |
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One point I would like to make . . . |
boobooday |
Jan-28-07 03:54 PM |
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if the neocons say look over here? look over there. |
pwb |
Jan-28-07 03:54 PM |
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Hypocrisy |
sandnsea |
Jan-28-07 03:57 PM |
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Spot on...K&R...nt |
SaveElmer |
Jan-28-07 04:13 PM |
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Not sure who you're comparing us to, but DU didn't exist in 2000. |
Bucky |
Jan-28-07 04:14 PM |
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It's clearly not addressed to all progressives. |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 05:32 PM |
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Edwards' house doesn't personally concern me that much. |
Ken Burch |
Jan-28-07 04:24 PM |
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I have NO objection to looking at every candidate's stand on policy. |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 05:30 PM |
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I agree with you about the freakin' house, ok? |
Ken Burch |
Jan-28-07 05:59 PM |
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Sure. But they'll be on anything for anyone, and if they can't find it they'll make it up. |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 06:01 PM |
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If he's nominated, let's hope you're right. |
Ken Burch |
Jan-28-07 06:12 PM |
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The funny thing - for me anyway - is that I'm not partial to Edwards. |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 06:14 PM |
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As you have repeatedly said. |
Ken Burch |
Jan-28-07 06:21 PM |
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On this we don't agree. |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 06:25 PM |
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Gore has also moved considerably leftward since 2000. |
Ken Burch |
Jan-28-07 06:41 PM |
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On matters of policy we don't know where he'd be because he isn't running. |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 06:51 PM |
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I don't think progressives got what they wanted. |
Ken Burch |
Jan-28-07 06:57 PM |
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I'd still maintain that what the party or candidate gets out of an election is |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 06:59 PM |
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OR ... |
lwfern |
Jan-28-07 07:32 PM |
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Since none of the prospective nominees are saints, we need to do BOTH |
Ken Burch |
Jan-28-07 07:57 PM |
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I'm with you there. |
lwfern |
Jan-28-07 08:12 PM |
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Marvelous post! |
mzmolly |
Jan-28-07 04:32 PM |
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Didn't you hear? Gore and Clinton had the most corrupt administration |
Rex |
Jan-28-07 04:36 PM |
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s |
dad |
Jan-28-07 04:37 PM |
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Talk about not learning your lesson. You sound happy that Gore lost. NT |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 05:27 PM |
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So the last six years are all worth it because Gore is a better world citizen because of it. |
Jim Sagle |
Jan-28-07 05:39 PM |
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Gore would still be conservative if he'd won in 2000. |
Ken Burch |
Jan-28-07 06:52 PM |
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Gore would have been a "SLIGHT improvement over Bush"? |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 07:00 PM |
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Well, with a congress that would've been GOP throughout his term |
Ken Burch |
Jan-28-07 07:05 PM |
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If you really think Gore would have been only a slight improvement over Bush |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 07:11 PM |
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What's the practicality in supporting a Democrat |
Ken Burch |
Jan-28-07 07:18 PM |
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I guess avoiding 911 and the Iraq war alone would have been a MUCH greater |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 07:21 PM |
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You're assuming Gore would've been able to prevent 911 |
Ken Burch |
Jan-28-07 07:26 PM |
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Indeed, I am. And given Bushco's documented incompetence I think it's a fair |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 07:35 PM |
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. |
fujiyama |
Jan-28-07 09:19 PM |
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That may be the most concise post in DU history. |
Ken Burch |
Jan-29-07 07:20 PM |
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Pitiful. |
Jim Sagle |
Jan-28-07 10:59 PM |
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Yes, the truth about the DLC is pitiful. |
Ken Burch |
Jan-29-07 12:28 PM |
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Gore certainly helped w steal 2000 with his soft campaign. |
Jim Sagle |
Jan-29-07 06:47 PM |
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In any case, we will never know. |
Ken Burch |
Jan-29-07 07:16 PM |
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Al Gore never needed Nader in him. He's the same man he always was. |
mzmolly |
Jan-28-07 07:46 PM |
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Gore may not have "needed Nader in him"(weird image there, btw)... |
Ken Burch |
Jan-28-07 08:05 PM |
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In all honesty, most Greens I know are Green because they want legalized Marijane. |
mzmolly |
Jan-28-07 08:13 PM |
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You don't know many of them, then. |
Ken Burch |
Jan-28-07 09:14 PM |
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Actually, I DO know many of them. |
mzmolly |
Jan-29-07 04:32 PM |
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My take on Nader is that he is a hell of an intelligent guy who |
Old Crusoe |
Jan-28-07 05:07 PM |
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Of course, if you're going to talk about Michael Moore's role in 2000 |
Ken Burch |
Jan-29-07 01:42 PM |
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I love Al. Loved him back then, too. |
Clark2008 |
Jan-28-07 05:20 PM |
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To you, Clark2008 ... |
Straight Shooter |
Jan-28-07 06:03 PM |
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I've Met Al Gore and Knew him back in the 80's and John Edwards is No Al Gore! |
KoKo01 |
Jan-28-07 07:10 PM |
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In fairness, Moore opposed the Democratic Party nominee in 2000 |
Tom Rinaldo |
Jan-29-07 01:55 PM |
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