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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 07:58 PM
Response to Reply #93
95. Yes - from them. Do you need perfection or will you take improvement?
If your answer is the former rather than the latter, good luck.
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  -How Could Edwards Hope to Be Pure Enough? Remember This Guy? mondo joe  Jan-28-07 03:38 PM   #0 
  - Ya, that Nader thing didn't work out too good.  Rosemary2205   Jan-28-07 03:43 PM   #1 
  - Apologist rhetoric  depakid   Jan-28-07 03:46 PM   #2 
  - Right, because America hates nothing more than people with big houses.  mondo joe   Jan-28-07 03:48 PM   #4 
  - If Oprah was actually running for president, her absurdly affluent lifestyle would get brought up.  Ken Burch   Jan-28-07 04:16 PM   #21 
  - and instantly, global warming becomes a meaningless non-issue  meow mix   Jan-28-07 03:49 PM   #5 
  - If Edwards' home was the greatest factor impacting global warming you might have a point.  mondo joe   Jan-28-07 03:54 PM   #8 
  - All I've heard in support so far are shallow "memes"  depakid   Jan-28-07 04:09 PM   #16 
  - EVERYBODY does  sandnsea   Jan-28-07 04:13 PM   #19 
     - That's why a candidate's stand on POLICY matters more than the lightbulbs  mondo joe   Jan-28-07 05:26 PM   #34 
        - Bull. Shit.  sandnsea   Jan-28-07 05:41 PM   #40 
           - So FDR couldn't take initiative to help the poor because he was rich.  mondo joe   Jan-28-07 05:44 PM   #41 
              - He nearly went broke helping people  sandnsea   Jan-28-07 06:11 PM   #45 
                 - So if you think the lightbulbs in Edwards' house matter more than policy he's fight  mondo joe   Jan-28-07 06:12 PM   #47 
                    - Light bulbs & tents - diversionary bullshit  sandnsea   Jan-28-07 06:20 PM   #49 
                       - And then we have the purity test.  mondo joe   Jan-28-07 06:23 PM   #52 
                       - More diversionary bullshit  sandnsea   Jan-28-07 06:27 PM   #54 
                       - Actually, I don't judge poor people for shopping at WalMart either.  mondo joe   Jan-28-07 06:31 PM   #55 
                          - So nobody is challenged to change?  sandnsea   Jan-28-07 06:40 PM   #62 
                             - I don't think judging people encourages them to change.  mondo joe   Jan-28-07 06:49 PM   #65 
                                - More bullshit  sandnsea   Jan-28-07 07:07 PM   #73 
                                   - Recommending isn't demanding change, and if you think Edwards was not JUDGED  mondo joe   Jan-28-07 07:09 PM   #74 
                                   - He was not judged, he got some very mild criticism  sandnsea   Jan-28-07 07:35 PM   #85 
                                   - Al Gore recommends being carbon neutral.  mzmolly   Jan-28-07 07:23 PM   #80 
                                      - Not enough  sandnsea   Jan-28-07 07:33 PM   #84 
                                         - I think it's fine to challenge.  mzmolly   Jan-28-07 07:40 PM   #88 
                                         - And now we're back to my original post!  mondo joe   Jan-28-07 07:43 PM   #89 
                                         - Exactly!  mzmolly   Jan-28-07 07:47 PM   #91 
                                         - From people who have the money???  sandnsea   Jan-28-07 07:53 PM   #93 
                                         - Yes - from them. Do you need perfection or will you take improvement?  mondo joe   Jan-28-07 07:58 PM   #95 
                                         - It's IN their control  sandnsea   Jan-28-07 08:13 PM   #99 
                                         - Seems like "selective perfection" to me?  mzmolly   Jan-28-07 08:18 PM   #101 
                                         - Only on your part  sandnsea   Jan-28-07 08:20 PM   #103 
                                         - What I choose to ignore are pathetic arguments, which is why you are now on IGNORE.  mzmolly   Jan-28-07 08:25 PM   #105 
                       - SO we should instead have a purity test for our discussions?  Sherman A1   Jan-29-07 03:17 AM   #111 
                       - Why the double standard? Here is what you said about Kerry in the past primary season:  mzmolly   Jan-28-07 06:33 PM   #56 
                          - .  mondo joe   Jan-28-07 06:35 PM   #57 
                          - Bummer, can't see the pic?  mzmolly   Jan-28-07 06:36 PM   #58 
                             - try again!  mondo joe   Jan-28-07 06:36 PM   #59 
                                - Cute.  mzmolly   Jan-28-07 06:38 PM   #60 
                          - I've already said they're included  sandnsea   Jan-28-07 06:38 PM   #61 
                             - It's obvious Kerry's homes are not energy independent.  mzmolly   Jan-28-07 06:48 PM   #64 
                                - No it isn't  sandnsea   Jan-28-07 07:04 PM   #71 
                                   - Yes it is.  mzmolly   Jan-28-07 07:18 PM   #77 
                                      - ALL - is the definition confusing???  sandnsea   Jan-28-07 07:30 PM   #82 
                                         - Not confusing at all considering the hypocritical source.  mzmolly   Jan-28-07 07:38 PM   #87 
                                            - I have  sandnsea   Jan-28-07 07:52 PM   #92 
                                               - Kerry has said he doesn't have solar panels/shingles on his homes:  mzmolly   Jan-28-07 08:06 PM   #97 
                                               - First, "yet" Second, did you read the rest?  sandnsea   Jan-28-07 08:18 PM   #102 
                                               - So, you are ok with assuming the best about Kerry and demanding  mzmolly   Jan-28-07 08:24 PM   #104 
                                               - Hello??? I'M NOT  sandnsea   Jan-28-07 08:32 PM   #106 
  - There are ways to offset ones impact on the environment, as I've said before.  mzmolly   Jan-28-07 04:37 PM   #29 
  - Edwards doesn't need apologetics. Real Democrats know that.  Jim Sagle   Jan-28-07 03:58 PM   #12 
  - Sleepwalking  depakid   Jan-28-07 04:07 PM   #15 
  - Ralph Nader Thanks You for Your Vote.  mondo joe   Jan-28-07 04:11 PM   #17 
  - Future generations thank you  depakid   Jan-28-07 04:32 PM   #26 
  - Other voters won't give a flying fuck unless the RNC-controlled media tells them to.  Jim Sagle   Jan-28-07 05:37 PM   #38 
  - Wow, Jim, that's the first non-insulting and non-obscene post you've done in months now.  Ken Burch   Jan-28-07 04:25 PM   #24 
  - What would people do without the phrases "apologist" and "DLC?"  mzmolly   Jan-28-07 04:33 PM   #27 
     - DLC is a relatively "new" thing  depakid   Jan-28-07 05:15 PM   #32 
        - Well, it's even less original then I initially surmised.  mzmolly   Jan-28-07 06:20 PM   #50 
           - Touche'  depakid   Jan-29-07 02:44 AM   #110 
              - You're too kind Depakid.  mzmolly   Jan-29-07 04:33 PM   #117 
  - So if I understand this correctly  Sherman A1   Jan-28-07 03:48 PM   #3 
  - Congrats -- you did not understand correctly!  mondo joe   Jan-28-07 03:51 PM   #6 
  - My apologies for participating in this discussion  Sherman A1   Jan-28-07 04:07 PM   #14 
  - The lesson of 2000 was NOT that we have no right to ask anything from anti-GOP candidates.  Ken Burch   Jan-28-07 04:20 PM   #22 
  - On the other hand  depakid   Jan-29-07 04:26 PM   #115 
  - discussing positions and actions is fine  frogcycle   Jan-28-07 04:01 PM   #13 
  - Thanks mondo joe...  Surya Gayatri   Jan-28-07 03:51 PM   #7 
  - One point I would like to make . . .  boobooday   Jan-28-07 03:54 PM   #9 
  - if the neocons say look over here? look over there.  pwb   Jan-28-07 03:54 PM   #10 
  - Hypocrisy  sandnsea   Jan-28-07 03:57 PM   #11 
  - Spot on...K&R...nt  SaveElmer   Jan-28-07 04:13 PM   #18 
  - Not sure who you're comparing us to, but DU didn't exist in 2000.  Bucky   Jan-28-07 04:14 PM   #20 
  - It's clearly not addressed to all progressives.  mondo joe   Jan-28-07 05:32 PM   #37 
  - Edwards' house doesn't personally concern me that much.  Ken Burch   Jan-28-07 04:24 PM   #23 
  - I have NO objection to looking at every candidate's stand on policy.  mondo joe   Jan-28-07 05:30 PM   #36 
     - I agree with you about the freakin' house, ok?  Ken Burch   Jan-28-07 05:59 PM   #42 
        - Sure. But they'll be on anything for anyone, and if they can't find it they'll make it up.  mondo joe   Jan-28-07 06:01 PM   #43 
           - If he's nominated, let's hope you're right.  Ken Burch   Jan-28-07 06:12 PM   #46 
              - The funny thing - for me anyway - is that I'm not partial to Edwards.  mondo joe   Jan-28-07 06:14 PM   #48 
              - As you have repeatedly said.  Ken Burch   Jan-28-07 06:21 PM   #51 
                 - On this we don't agree.  mondo joe   Jan-28-07 06:25 PM   #53 
                    - Gore has also moved considerably leftward since 2000.  Ken Burch   Jan-28-07 06:41 PM   #63 
                       - On matters of policy we don't know where he'd be because he isn't running.  mondo joe   Jan-28-07 06:51 PM   #66 
                          - I don't think progressives got what they wanted.  Ken Burch   Jan-28-07 06:57 PM   #68 
                             - I'd still maintain that what the party or candidate gets out of an election is  mondo joe   Jan-28-07 06:59 PM   #69 
              - OR ...  lwfern   Jan-28-07 07:32 PM   #83 
                 - Since none of the prospective nominees are saints, we need to do BOTH  Ken Burch   Jan-28-07 07:57 PM   #94 
                    - I'm with you there.  lwfern   Jan-28-07 08:12 PM   #98 
  - Marvelous post!  mzmolly   Jan-28-07 04:32 PM   #25 
  - Didn't you hear? Gore and Clinton had the most corrupt administration  Rex   Jan-28-07 04:36 PM   #28 
  - s  dad   Jan-28-07 04:37 PM   #30 
  - Talk about not learning your lesson. You sound happy that Gore lost. NT  mondo joe   Jan-28-07 05:27 PM   #35 
  - So the last six years are all worth it because Gore is a better world citizen because of it.  Jim Sagle   Jan-28-07 05:39 PM   #39 
  - Gore would still be conservative if he'd won in 2000.  Ken Burch   Jan-28-07 06:52 PM   #67 
     - Gore would have been a "SLIGHT improvement over Bush"?  mondo joe   Jan-28-07 07:00 PM   #70 
     - Well, with a congress that would've been GOP throughout his term  Ken Burch   Jan-28-07 07:05 PM   #72 
        - If you really think Gore would have been only a slight improvement over Bush  mondo joe   Jan-28-07 07:11 PM   #76 
           - What's the practicality in supporting a Democrat  Ken Burch   Jan-28-07 07:18 PM   #78 
              - I guess avoiding 911 and the Iraq war alone would have been a MUCH greater  mondo joe   Jan-28-07 07:21 PM   #79 
                 - You're assuming Gore would've been able to prevent 911  Ken Burch   Jan-28-07 07:26 PM   #81 
                    - Indeed, I am. And given Bushco's documented incompetence I think it's a fair  mondo joe   Jan-28-07 07:35 PM   #86 
                    - .  fujiyama   Jan-28-07 09:19 PM   #108 
                       - That may be the most concise post in DU history.  Ken Burch   Jan-29-07 07:20 PM   #120 
     - Pitiful.  Jim Sagle   Jan-28-07 10:59 PM   #109 
        - Yes, the truth about the DLC is pitiful.  Ken Burch   Jan-29-07 12:28 PM   #112 
           - Gore certainly helped w steal 2000 with his soft campaign.  Jim Sagle   Jan-29-07 06:47 PM   #118 
              - In any case, we will never know.  Ken Burch   Jan-29-07 07:16 PM   #119 
  - Al Gore never needed Nader in him. He's the same man he always was.  mzmolly   Jan-28-07 07:46 PM   #90 
     - Gore may not have "needed Nader in him"(weird image there, btw)...  Ken Burch   Jan-28-07 08:05 PM   #96 
        - In all honesty, most Greens I know are Green because they want legalized Marijane.  mzmolly   Jan-28-07 08:13 PM   #100 
           - You don't know many of them, then.  Ken Burch   Jan-28-07 09:14 PM   #107 
              - Actually, I DO know many of them.  mzmolly   Jan-29-07 04:32 PM   #116 
  - My take on Nader is that he is a hell of an intelligent guy who  Old Crusoe   Jan-28-07 05:07 PM   #31 
  - Of course, if you're going to talk about Michael Moore's role in 2000  Ken Burch   Jan-29-07 01:42 PM   #113 
  - I love Al. Loved him back then, too.  Clark2008   Jan-28-07 05:20 PM   #33 
  - To you, Clark2008 ...  Straight Shooter   Jan-28-07 06:03 PM   #44 
  - I've Met Al Gore and Knew him back in the 80's and John Edwards is No Al Gore!  KoKo01   Jan-28-07 07:10 PM   #75 
  - In fairness, Moore opposed the Democratic Party nominee in 2000  Tom Rinaldo   Jan-29-07 01:55 PM   #114 
 

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