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Sun Jan-28-07 07:35 PM
Response to Reply #74 |
| 85. He was not judged, he got some very mild criticism |
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Geesh. And if people hadn't kept tossing out these ridiculous defenses, post after post, it all would have stopped days ago.
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| -How Could Edwards Hope to Be Pure Enough? Remember This Guy? |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 03:38 PM |
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Ya, that Nader thing didn't work out too good. |
Rosemary2205 |
Jan-28-07 03:43 PM |
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Apologist rhetoric |
depakid |
Jan-28-07 03:46 PM |
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Right, because America hates nothing more than people with big houses. |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 03:48 PM |
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If Oprah was actually running for president, her absurdly affluent lifestyle would get brought up. |
Ken Burch |
Jan-28-07 04:16 PM |
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and instantly, global warming becomes a meaningless non-issue |
meow mix |
Jan-28-07 03:49 PM |
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If Edwards' home was the greatest factor impacting global warming you might have a point. |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 03:54 PM |
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All I've heard in support so far are shallow "memes" |
depakid |
Jan-28-07 04:09 PM |
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EVERYBODY does |
sandnsea |
Jan-28-07 04:13 PM |
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That's why a candidate's stand on POLICY matters more than the lightbulbs |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 05:26 PM |
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Bull. Shit. |
sandnsea |
Jan-28-07 05:41 PM |
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So FDR couldn't take initiative to help the poor because he was rich. |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 05:44 PM |
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He nearly went broke helping people |
sandnsea |
Jan-28-07 06:11 PM |
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So if you think the lightbulbs in Edwards' house matter more than policy he's fight |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 06:12 PM |
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Light bulbs & tents - diversionary bullshit |
sandnsea |
Jan-28-07 06:20 PM |
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And then we have the purity test. |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 06:23 PM |
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More diversionary bullshit |
sandnsea |
Jan-28-07 06:27 PM |
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Actually, I don't judge poor people for shopping at WalMart either. |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 06:31 PM |
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So nobody is challenged to change? |
sandnsea |
Jan-28-07 06:40 PM |
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I don't think judging people encourages them to change. |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 06:49 PM |
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More bullshit |
sandnsea |
Jan-28-07 07:07 PM |
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Recommending isn't demanding change, and if you think Edwards was not JUDGED |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 07:09 PM |
#74 |
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He was not judged, he got some very mild criticism |
sandnsea |
Jan-28-07 07:35 PM |
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Al Gore recommends being carbon neutral. |
mzmolly |
Jan-28-07 07:23 PM |
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Not enough |
sandnsea |
Jan-28-07 07:33 PM |
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I think it's fine to challenge. |
mzmolly |
Jan-28-07 07:40 PM |
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And now we're back to my original post! |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 07:43 PM |
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Exactly! |
mzmolly |
Jan-28-07 07:47 PM |
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From people who have the money??? |
sandnsea |
Jan-28-07 07:53 PM |
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Yes - from them. Do you need perfection or will you take improvement? |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 07:58 PM |
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It's IN their control |
sandnsea |
Jan-28-07 08:13 PM |
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Seems like "selective perfection" to me? |
mzmolly |
Jan-28-07 08:18 PM |
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Only on your part |
sandnsea |
Jan-28-07 08:20 PM |
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What I choose to ignore are pathetic arguments, which is why you are now on IGNORE. |
mzmolly |
Jan-28-07 08:25 PM |
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SO we should instead have a purity test for our discussions? |
Sherman A1 |
Jan-29-07 03:17 AM |
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Why the double standard? Here is what you said about Kerry in the past primary season: |
mzmolly |
Jan-28-07 06:33 PM |
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. |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 06:35 PM |
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Bummer, can't see the pic? |
mzmolly |
Jan-28-07 06:36 PM |
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try again! |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 06:36 PM |
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Cute. |
mzmolly |
Jan-28-07 06:38 PM |
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I've already said they're included |
sandnsea |
Jan-28-07 06:38 PM |
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It's obvious Kerry's homes are not energy independent. |
mzmolly |
Jan-28-07 06:48 PM |
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No it isn't |
sandnsea |
Jan-28-07 07:04 PM |
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Yes it is. |
mzmolly |
Jan-28-07 07:18 PM |
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ALL - is the definition confusing??? |
sandnsea |
Jan-28-07 07:30 PM |
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Not confusing at all considering the hypocritical source. |
mzmolly |
Jan-28-07 07:38 PM |
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I have |
sandnsea |
Jan-28-07 07:52 PM |
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Kerry has said he doesn't have solar panels/shingles on his homes: |
mzmolly |
Jan-28-07 08:06 PM |
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First, "yet" Second, did you read the rest? |
sandnsea |
Jan-28-07 08:18 PM |
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So, you are ok with assuming the best about Kerry and demanding |
mzmolly |
Jan-28-07 08:24 PM |
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Hello??? I'M NOT |
sandnsea |
Jan-28-07 08:32 PM |
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There are ways to offset ones impact on the environment, as I've said before. |
mzmolly |
Jan-28-07 04:37 PM |
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Edwards doesn't need apologetics. Real Democrats know that. |
Jim Sagle |
Jan-28-07 03:58 PM |
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Sleepwalking |
depakid |
Jan-28-07 04:07 PM |
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Ralph Nader Thanks You for Your Vote. |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 04:11 PM |
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Future generations thank you |
depakid |
Jan-28-07 04:32 PM |
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Other voters won't give a flying fuck unless the RNC-controlled media tells them to. |
Jim Sagle |
Jan-28-07 05:37 PM |
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Wow, Jim, that's the first non-insulting and non-obscene post you've done in months now. |
Ken Burch |
Jan-28-07 04:25 PM |
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What would people do without the phrases "apologist" and "DLC?" |
mzmolly |
Jan-28-07 04:33 PM |
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DLC is a relatively "new" thing |
depakid |
Jan-28-07 05:15 PM |
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Well, it's even less original then I initially surmised. |
mzmolly |
Jan-28-07 06:20 PM |
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Touche' |
depakid |
Jan-29-07 02:44 AM |
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You're too kind Depakid. |
mzmolly |
Jan-29-07 04:33 PM |
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So if I understand this correctly |
Sherman A1 |
Jan-28-07 03:48 PM |
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Congrats -- you did not understand correctly! |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 03:51 PM |
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My apologies for participating in this discussion |
Sherman A1 |
Jan-28-07 04:07 PM |
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The lesson of 2000 was NOT that we have no right to ask anything from anti-GOP candidates. |
Ken Burch |
Jan-28-07 04:20 PM |
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On the other hand |
depakid |
Jan-29-07 04:26 PM |
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discussing positions and actions is fine |
frogcycle |
Jan-28-07 04:01 PM |
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Thanks mondo joe... |
Surya Gayatri |
Jan-28-07 03:51 PM |
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One point I would like to make . . . |
boobooday |
Jan-28-07 03:54 PM |
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if the neocons say look over here? look over there. |
pwb |
Jan-28-07 03:54 PM |
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Hypocrisy |
sandnsea |
Jan-28-07 03:57 PM |
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Spot on...K&R...nt |
SaveElmer |
Jan-28-07 04:13 PM |
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Not sure who you're comparing us to, but DU didn't exist in 2000. |
Bucky |
Jan-28-07 04:14 PM |
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It's clearly not addressed to all progressives. |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 05:32 PM |
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Edwards' house doesn't personally concern me that much. |
Ken Burch |
Jan-28-07 04:24 PM |
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I have NO objection to looking at every candidate's stand on policy. |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 05:30 PM |
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I agree with you about the freakin' house, ok? |
Ken Burch |
Jan-28-07 05:59 PM |
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Sure. But they'll be on anything for anyone, and if they can't find it they'll make it up. |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 06:01 PM |
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If he's nominated, let's hope you're right. |
Ken Burch |
Jan-28-07 06:12 PM |
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The funny thing - for me anyway - is that I'm not partial to Edwards. |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 06:14 PM |
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As you have repeatedly said. |
Ken Burch |
Jan-28-07 06:21 PM |
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On this we don't agree. |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 06:25 PM |
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Gore has also moved considerably leftward since 2000. |
Ken Burch |
Jan-28-07 06:41 PM |
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On matters of policy we don't know where he'd be because he isn't running. |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 06:51 PM |
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I don't think progressives got what they wanted. |
Ken Burch |
Jan-28-07 06:57 PM |
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I'd still maintain that what the party or candidate gets out of an election is |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 06:59 PM |
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OR ... |
lwfern |
Jan-28-07 07:32 PM |
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Since none of the prospective nominees are saints, we need to do BOTH |
Ken Burch |
Jan-28-07 07:57 PM |
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I'm with you there. |
lwfern |
Jan-28-07 08:12 PM |
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Marvelous post! |
mzmolly |
Jan-28-07 04:32 PM |
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Didn't you hear? Gore and Clinton had the most corrupt administration |
Rex |
Jan-28-07 04:36 PM |
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s |
dad |
Jan-28-07 04:37 PM |
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Talk about not learning your lesson. You sound happy that Gore lost. NT |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 05:27 PM |
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So the last six years are all worth it because Gore is a better world citizen because of it. |
Jim Sagle |
Jan-28-07 05:39 PM |
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Gore would still be conservative if he'd won in 2000. |
Ken Burch |
Jan-28-07 06:52 PM |
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Gore would have been a "SLIGHT improvement over Bush"? |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 07:00 PM |
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Well, with a congress that would've been GOP throughout his term |
Ken Burch |
Jan-28-07 07:05 PM |
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If you really think Gore would have been only a slight improvement over Bush |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 07:11 PM |
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What's the practicality in supporting a Democrat |
Ken Burch |
Jan-28-07 07:18 PM |
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I guess avoiding 911 and the Iraq war alone would have been a MUCH greater |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 07:21 PM |
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You're assuming Gore would've been able to prevent 911 |
Ken Burch |
Jan-28-07 07:26 PM |
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Indeed, I am. And given Bushco's documented incompetence I think it's a fair |
mondo joe |
Jan-28-07 07:35 PM |
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. |
fujiyama |
Jan-28-07 09:19 PM |
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That may be the most concise post in DU history. |
Ken Burch |
Jan-29-07 07:20 PM |
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Pitiful. |
Jim Sagle |
Jan-28-07 10:59 PM |
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Yes, the truth about the DLC is pitiful. |
Ken Burch |
Jan-29-07 12:28 PM |
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Gore certainly helped w steal 2000 with his soft campaign. |
Jim Sagle |
Jan-29-07 06:47 PM |
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In any case, we will never know. |
Ken Burch |
Jan-29-07 07:16 PM |
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Al Gore never needed Nader in him. He's the same man he always was. |
mzmolly |
Jan-28-07 07:46 PM |
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Gore may not have "needed Nader in him"(weird image there, btw)... |
Ken Burch |
Jan-28-07 08:05 PM |
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In all honesty, most Greens I know are Green because they want legalized Marijane. |
mzmolly |
Jan-28-07 08:13 PM |
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You don't know many of them, then. |
Ken Burch |
Jan-28-07 09:14 PM |
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Actually, I DO know many of them. |
mzmolly |
Jan-29-07 04:32 PM |
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My take on Nader is that he is a hell of an intelligent guy who |
Old Crusoe |
Jan-28-07 05:07 PM |
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Of course, if you're going to talk about Michael Moore's role in 2000 |
Ken Burch |
Jan-29-07 01:42 PM |
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I love Al. Loved him back then, too. |
Clark2008 |
Jan-28-07 05:20 PM |
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To you, Clark2008 ... |
Straight Shooter |
Jan-28-07 06:03 PM |
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I've Met Al Gore and Knew him back in the 80's and John Edwards is No Al Gore! |
KoKo01 |
Jan-28-07 07:10 PM |
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In fairness, Moore opposed the Democratic Party nominee in 2000 |
Tom Rinaldo |
Jan-29-07 01:55 PM |
#114 |
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