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84. You seem to be only focused on racism in the US, however this is a problem that goes back probably
Edited on Tue Sep-22-09 11:33 AM by dugaresa
before recorded history.

Something in human nature seems to trigger racial, class or religious superiority.

The Egyptians, Sumerians, Romans, Greeks, Europeans, all have a history of slavery, viewing other groups as being inferior or viewing other folks's beliefs as bizarre or worth contempt.

It isn't something that just happened.

Jews in Europe were reviled for their religion. They were made to live in ghettos in some cities and were in some cases expelled or fled for their lives from countries like Spain. An entire group of productive citizens left a country for fear of their lives and because another religious group viewed them as a threat.

In most cases if you research deeply the threat is either related to money, power or irrational fear.

Let us examine the case of the Jews.

Well they were a group that didn't mingle, they didn't like intermarriage (neither did christians) and they kept to themselves outside business matters. But does that really make them worthy of disrespect? Not in my book.

They looked like other folks in the regions they settled in. So clearly it wasn't their skin color.

Ooooh but go back far enough and you find that the Jews did loan money. Why? Because early Christian doctrine dictated that Usury was forbidden. Loaning money wasn't a money making operation for Christians so Jews were smart to exploit it. However being in ownership of people's debts, can make you the bad guy even if you aren't. Then when some smart Christians realized that the usury laws were dumb, they got rid of them or worked their way around it and then they viewed the Jews as competitors. Is it likely that they used religious differences to help them demonize and dehumanize the Jews. Before you know it you have horrible renditions of Jews in literature and you can manipulate your fellow Christians by giving them a group of people to hate, all because it suits your business purposes. Heck you can even blame them for the Plague while your at it.

Chomsky pointed out some of these very issues in his People's History book. Indentured servants and slaves started to mix, because they saw that they were in a similar situation. Before you know it the slave owners realize that they can't have their slaves thinking they have options and they don't want them mingling with the folks who will eventually be free. So they set up class divides and provide options the the white slaves (indentured servants)can only have and create barriers to make sure that there is truly a division (however made up) to help them keep their unhealthy hold over those folks and keep the slaves in check.

Something about human nature does this, however unhealthy it is and we can't seem to shake it. We really should but history has shown it has been with us for a long long time.





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  -The Causes of Racism Time for change  Sep-19-09 10:50 PM   #0 
  - The only way these people are racist is that they allowed to racist  Rosa Luxemburg   Sep-19-09 10:54 PM   #1 
  - Laws are for when it's close to impossible to remove a certain behavior otherwise....  BlooInBloo   Sep-19-09 10:59 PM   #3 
  - Not looking for trouble here,but the race relations here are  virgogal   Sep-19-09 11:21 PM   #8 
     - The original post mentions Nazism and Stalinism, so I would assume that  blue neen   Sep-19-09 11:31 PM   #10 
  - Fuck all that. Just wait for them to die, and stop making new ones.  BlooInBloo   Sep-19-09 10:56 PM   #2 
  - Yeah, that's a good one.  Rude Dog   Sep-19-09 11:18 PM   #6 
     - The "new ones" I refered to are a *sociological* entity, namely bigots...  BlooInBloo   Sep-19-09 11:21 PM   #7 
  - This post seems to imply that whites are the racists and blacks are  virgogal   Sep-19-09 11:01 PM   #4 
  - Our group is #1  izquierdista   Sep-19-09 11:16 PM   #5 
  - Where do you get that idea?  Time for change   Sep-19-09 11:43 PM   #13 
  - black social hierarchy?  Holy Moly   Sep-20-09 12:47 PM   #36 
     - I've also read and heard  NOLALady   Sep-20-09 09:56 PM   #64 
        - google "paper bag test"  DatManFromNawlins   Sep-21-09 01:50 AM   #72 
           - I don't have to google.  NOLALady   Sep-21-09 02:05 AM   #73 
  - Very thoughtful post.  blue neen   Sep-19-09 11:22 PM   #9 
  - Thank you...  Time for change   Sep-20-09 04:53 PM   #52 
  - Don't underestimate competition  TxRider   Sep-19-09 11:32 PM   #11 
  - I have observed a different phenomenon on that subject.  blue neen   Sep-19-09 11:42 PM   #12 
  - Certainly, those types will use anything to deflect their inabilities  TxRider   Sep-20-09 10:38 AM   #34 
     - I personally have been discriminated against in school and on the job.  blue neen   Sep-20-09 03:23 PM   #50 
        - Yes it is a shame  TxRider   Sep-20-09 03:34 PM   #51 
  - You're saying racism is fueled by affirmative action.  NOLALady   Sep-20-09 10:09 PM   #65 
     - White people got the most benefit out of affirmative action.  Solomon   Sep-21-09 07:37 AM   #78 
     - They don't blame black people for affirmative action  TxRider   Sep-21-09 08:15 AM   #80 
     - I wouldn't know, I was not an adult in the 1960's.  TxRider   Sep-21-09 08:10 AM   #79 
        - I wasn't an adult in the 60s, but I was aware of racism.  NOLALady   Sep-22-09 10:52 AM   #83 
  - You make good points, but there is an error in  Solomon   Sep-20-09 01:14 AM   #14 
  - I note the need to feel superior as just one of several causes  Time for change   Sep-20-09 07:25 AM   #22 
  - Hm-m. Wondered if black slaveholders felt a "need to feel superior" to other blacks . . .  Petrushka   Sep-21-09 01:49 AM   #71 
     - I'm certain all of the slaveholders, black and white, felt superior  NOLALady   Sep-21-09 02:30 AM   #74 
        - Darnit! I just typed a lon-n-ng reply to your post and lost it! Anyway . . .  Petrushka   Sep-21-09 05:24 AM   #75 
           - Hope that stuff makes you feel better.  Solomon   Sep-21-09 07:35 AM   #77 
              - Hm-m. "Better" than . . .?  Petrushka   Sep-21-09 03:43 PM   #82 
  - Oh dear... Did you GO THERE???  Karenina   Sep-20-09 09:56 AM   #33 
  - LOL You know it.  Solomon   Sep-20-09 01:10 PM   #37 
  - this is one of the best descriptions  Blue_Roses   Sep-22-09 11:53 AM   #86 
  - Another key aspect  bleever   Sep-20-09 01:46 AM   #15 
  - Yes  Time for change   Sep-20-09 11:39 AM   #35 
  - The African ancestors of most African Americans  NOLALady   Sep-20-09 09:47 PM   #63 
     - +1.  bleever   Sep-21-09 01:04 AM   #69 
  - Actually, racism is an ideology...  MellowDem   Sep-20-09 01:46 AM   #16 
  - In other words, you don't consider racism a type of bigotry?  Time for change   Sep-20-09 07:28 AM   #23 
  - Racism itself is specifically an ideology...  MellowDem   Sep-20-09 09:21 AM   #31 
  - I strongly disagree with your assertion that the ONLY cause of racism is ignorance  Time for change   Sep-20-09 09:35 AM   #32 
     - I agree with you...  MellowDem   Sep-20-09 07:18 PM   #54 
     - It's sometimes very difficult to differentiate what a person really believes vs. what they want to  Time for change   Sep-20-09 07:31 PM   #55 
     - Was it not a common belief by the military hierarchy early in WWII that  indepat   Sep-20-09 07:50 PM   #56 
        - I'm certain that was a common belief  Time for change   Sep-20-09 08:06 PM   #57 
  - Insanely long to state the obvious.  ddeclue   Sep-20-09 01:53 AM   #17 
  - Even that explanation is too long:  Czar One   Sep-20-09 08:34 AM   #30 
  - Fear of what?  NOLALady   Sep-20-09 09:24 PM   #62 
  - I don't see why  Time for change   Sep-20-09 08:58 PM   #61 
  - The elite teach racism because discrimination is profitable for them . . .  defendandprotect   Sep-20-09 02:00 AM   #18 
  - Humanity is the cause of racism.  proteus_lives   Sep-20-09 02:21 AM   #19 
  - how can you  Aragorn   Sep-20-09 06:39 AM   #20 
  - For one thing  Time for change   Sep-20-09 07:47 AM   #26 
  - Good post but I don't see how we discuss the causes of racism  malaise   Sep-20-09 07:12 AM   #21 
  - I did include an economic component  Time for change   Sep-20-09 07:33 AM   #24 
  - True but you explicitly mentioned  malaise   Sep-20-09 07:46 AM   #25 
     - I think that discrimination at the social and political level follow all of the causes of racism  Time for change   Sep-20-09 07:55 AM   #28 
        - It is the lynchpin of institutional racism  malaise   Sep-20-09 08:30 AM   #29 
  - "The English thought the Irish were inferior for religious regions hence they could be exploited"  Hannah Bell   Sep-20-09 08:22 PM   #58 
  - Another truly invaluable, brilliantly insightful post by Time for change.  Joe Chi Minh   Sep-20-09 07:48 AM   #27 
  - Thank you Joe  Time for change   Sep-20-09 06:00 PM   #53 
  - Nowhere in the OP is it pointed out that racism has no basis in science  BOG PERSON   Sep-20-09 01:24 PM   #38 
  - Isn't it obvious from the causes that I discussed in the OP that it has not basis in science?  Time for change   Sep-20-09 01:35 PM   #39 
  - Not really  BOG PERSON   Sep-20-09 01:39 PM   #40 
     - I didn't make it clear that racism is the result of unhealthy attitudes?  Time for change   Sep-20-09 01:53 PM   #41 
     - The problem is that's what you reduce racism to!  BOG PERSON   Sep-20-09 02:04 PM   #42 
        - You say in your first post on this thread:  Time for change   Sep-20-09 02:35 PM   #45 
           - I think there's been a misunderstanding, or I haven't been clear enough  BOG PERSON   Sep-20-09 02:39 PM   #46 
              - Yeah, that's perfectly clear now  Time for change   Sep-20-09 02:52 PM   #47 
                 - What's not clear?  BOG PERSON   Sep-20-09 03:13 PM   #49 
                    - That's not clear to me either  Time for change   Sep-20-09 08:26 PM   #59 
                       - No, they actually don't  BOG PERSON   Sep-20-09 10:17 PM   #66 
     - It IS.  Karenina   Sep-20-09 02:25 PM   #43 
        - If racism is a mental illness  BOG PERSON   Sep-20-09 02:30 PM   #44 
  - Perhaps it does have a basis in science, in Darwin's Natural Selection  dugaresa   Sep-22-09 11:43 AM   #85 
  - root cause I can't address  subcomhd   Sep-20-09 02:56 PM   #48 
  - The cause of racism is the ways our brains work  AngryAmish   Sep-20-09 08:29 PM   #60 
  - Sure, ok  Confusious   Sep-20-09 10:22 PM   #68 
  - The lack of empathy of many whites?  Confusious   Sep-20-09 10:17 PM   #67 
  - You want me to expand on your two sentence simpleton summary of my post?  Time for change   Sep-21-09 06:58 AM   #76 
  - so how do you explain  felon   Sep-21-09 01:35 AM   #70 
  - Mental imbalance?  Karenina   Sep-21-09 10:26 AM   #81 
  - You seem to be only focused on racism in the US, however this is a problem that goes back probably  dugaresa   Sep-22-09 11:33 AM   #84 
  - very interesting...  Blue_Roses   Sep-22-09 12:31 PM   #87 
  - what an interesting thread...  Blue_Roses   Sep-22-09 12:32 PM   #88 
     - Yep yep.  Solomon   Sep-22-09 12:40 PM   #89 
 

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