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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 07:38 AM
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38. Point of info: The Civil War did not end 150 years ago. It ended about 35 years ago & is still fresh
The war only ended if you think of the war as being the military engagement between Grant's and Lee's armies.

War is the continuation of politics by other means, and the Civil War was a political, class/caste and economic war.

Most of the issues of the Civil War were not settled, or they were settled and then unsettled in the 1870s.

The class/caste aspect of the war did not end until the Civil Rights Movement eliminated the most egregious forms of the southern caste system. Even the relationship between states and the federal government remained ambiguous until most vestiges of "states rights" were eroded during the 1960s. All the southern right wing talk about the Civil War is really talk about the Civil Rights Movement.

That loss is still fresh in the minds of many white southerners.
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  -Ah fresh scabs of wars gone long ago nadinbrzezinski  Sep-19-09 06:09 PM   #0 
  - Excellent post!!!  Rick Myers   Sep-19-09 06:19 PM   #1 
  - Something wicked cometh this way  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-19-09 06:29 PM   #6 
     - when have there been "normal" times?  cali   Sep-20-09 02:10 PM   #48 
  - Bahh, there's nothing like the civil war precursor going on in the U.S.  TxRider   Sep-19-09 06:23 PM   #2 
  - It is not MOST folks that concern me  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-19-09 06:27 PM   #4 
     - Wake me up when they are more than silly fringe  TxRider   Sep-19-09 06:48 PM   #9 
        - And who do you think starts civil wars? The MAJORITY?  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-19-09 06:50 PM   #10 
           - You think they are 1/3 of the population? ROFL  TxRider   Sep-19-09 07:25 PM   #13 
           - And you miss it, it is always the FRINGE  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-20-09 01:37 AM   #25 
           - That 1/3 included a majority of the most influential men.  Kaleva   Sep-20-09 02:07 AM   #30 
           - Ane the same happened in the south, and we have that pattern  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-20-09 02:10 AM   #31 
              - The 10th amendment movement has bi-partisan support  Kaleva   Sep-20-09 02:30 AM   #32 
              - Yes and... that is my point  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-20-09 02:32 AM   #33 
                 - There are differences though  Kaleva   Sep-20-09 02:56 AM   #34 
                    - Of course there are differences  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-20-09 01:14 PM   #39 
                       - The Whig Party split into two because of the slavery issue  Kaleva   Sep-20-09 02:34 PM   #60 
                          - Depends on what happens in 2010  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-20-09 02:37 PM   #61 
              - no we don't and in these threads you provide exactly zero evidence  cali   Sep-20-09 02:16 PM   #50 
                 - Posting Guidelines  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-20-09 02:21 PM   #51 
                    - Taking issue with what you wrote does not constitue a personal attack  Kaleva   Sep-20-09 02:38 PM   #62 
                       - It is a very long history  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-20-09 02:41 PM   #63 
                          - Okay. Didn't know you two had a long history.  Kaleva   Sep-20-09 02:46 PM   #65 
           - No, the silly fringe did not start the U.S. Civil War.  cali   Sep-20-09 02:14 PM   #49 
              - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Sep-20-09 02:21 PM   #52 
              - Respectfully, I think that many, both North and South, believe that John Brown  The Midway Rebel   Sep-20-09 02:22 PM   #53 
                 - Welcome to DU!  Strong Atheist   Sep-20-09 02:26 PM   #56 
                 - Welcome to DU  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-20-09 02:28 PM   #57 
                 - Hey Thanks!  The Midway Rebel   Sep-20-09 02:47 PM   #66 
                    - It is home...  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-20-09 03:14 PM   #68 
                       - oh yeah...sez you!  The Midway Rebel   Sep-20-09 03:47 PM   #70 
                 - That's certainly a good point, and Brown was instrumental  cali   Sep-20-09 02:31 PM   #59 
                    - I do not think that Harriet Beecher Stowe and Frederick Douglas  The Midway Rebel   Sep-20-09 02:44 PM   #64 
                       - Stowe was most certainly not considered fringe. Indeed, by  cali   Sep-20-09 03:00 PM   #67 
                          - Stowe's book was popular, Douglas was known among persons of letters...  The Midway Rebel   Sep-20-09 03:44 PM   #69 
                             - Abolition was most certainly mainstream in New England by the 1850s  cali   Sep-20-09 03:48 PM   #71 
                                - Respectfully, I disagree  The Midway Rebel   Sep-20-09 04:35 PM   #72 
  - I don't see  Libertas1776   Sep-19-09 06:26 PM   #3 
  - Read on the ten years that led to the Civil war  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-19-09 06:29 PM   #5 
     - The Euopeans wanted it  AllentownJake   Sep-20-09 01:18 PM   #41 
        - Ok... I know that some Mexican Historians have actually written on this  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-20-09 01:21 PM   #43 
  - When I went to high school in Georgia  aint_no_life_nowhere   Sep-19-09 06:42 PM   #7 
  - And that is what I mean about scabs  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-19-09 06:45 PM   #8 
  - When I was growing up in the fifties and sixties in the deep South..  Fumesucker   Sep-20-09 12:01 AM   #18 
  - I thought you were going to say "The War of Northern Aggression"  madeline_con   Sep-19-09 11:23 PM   #17 
  - To most, it seems like 150 years ago  Libertas1776   Sep-19-09 06:59 PM   #11 
  - The problem is that for a few  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-19-09 07:04 PM   #12 
     - Especially before modern times, and in closed societies.  TxRider   Sep-19-09 07:34 PM   #14 
        - But some do, and the scabs are still there  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-20-09 01:38 AM   #26 
  - 3 sides to every story  Gulftrout   Sep-19-09 10:12 PM   #15 
  - How is it whitewashed?  Confusious   Sep-19-09 11:18 PM   #16 
  - I'm not sure why you're even bothering. They WANT to be wrong. It's what the revel in.  BlooInBloo   Sep-20-09 12:05 AM   #20 
  - The typical rank and file  Gulftrout   Sep-20-09 04:19 AM   #35 
  - Mine is not even the Yankee version  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-20-09 01:42 AM   #29 
  - Sorry, but slavery was a form of a caste system. Even as a Mississippian, I recognize that.  Selatius   Sep-20-09 04:37 AM   #36 
  - Slavery by definition IS a caste system.  Raineyb   Sep-20-09 01:22 PM   #44 
  - I'm all for ripping the scab off. We'll win again if we need to, and rightly so....  BlooInBloo   Sep-20-09 12:04 AM   #19 
  - Sure why not...  TxRider   Sep-20-09 12:12 AM   #22 
     - Indeed. I wish the south hadn't started the war as well. Glad we're in agreement on that.  BlooInBloo   Sep-20-09 12:15 AM   #23 
        - I would if I knew any...  TxRider   Sep-20-09 01:48 PM   #46 
  - Finished reading "The 4th Turning" I take it?  Odin2005   Sep-20-09 12:09 AM   #21 
  - Thanks and no, actually I haven't  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-20-09 01:40 AM   #27 
  - No comparison.  proteus_lives   Sep-20-09 01:12 AM   #24 
  - It's not the tons, it's the few  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-20-09 01:41 AM   #28 
  - Look, the US is going to fracture eventually. It'll be over economic lines exacerbated by...  Selatius   Sep-20-09 04:45 AM   #37 
  - I agree wiht you, and I'd guess anywhere from five to seven successor  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-20-09 01:18 PM   #42 
  - Point of info: The Civil War did not end 150 years ago. It ended about 35 years ago & is still fresh  HamdenRice   Sep-20-09 07:38 AM   #38 
  - And a few were not settled 35 years ago either  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-20-09 01:16 PM   #40 
  - When Faubus sent the Arkansas National Guard to Little Rock to block black students  aint_no_life_nowhere   Sep-20-09 02:25 PM   #55 
     - And that one is recent enough that there are people  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-20-09 02:30 PM   #58 
  - It's not like it was back than  AllentownJake   Sep-20-09 01:26 PM   #45 
     - Good points! I would add, when studying the events that led to the American Civil War  The Midway Rebel   Sep-20-09 02:05 PM   #47 
     - History will never repeat itself 100% thankfully  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-20-09 02:24 PM   #54 
 

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