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Fri Sep-18-09 02:56 PM
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94. Really?

"Serena Jameka Williams (born September 26, 1981) is an American professional tennis player. She has been ranked World No. 1 by the Women's Tennis Association (WTA) on four separate occasions; as of July 27, 2009, she is ranked World No. 2. She is the reigning Australian Open and Wimbledon singles champion and has won 23 Grand Slam titles: 11 in singles, ten in women's doubles and two in mixed doubles. In addition, she has won two Olympic gold medals in women's doubles. She also has won more Grand Slam titles than any other active female player and has won more career prize money than any other female athlete in history. In 2005, Tennis Magazine ranked her as the 17th-best player in 40 years."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serena_williams

When someone has reached that level of success in ANY endeavor, just how do you go about "putting them in their place"? Are you fucking kidding? What could be done to put her "in her place"?

The call was a good one. See the picture below. She was well over the line. She threatened to shove a motherfucking tennis ball down a judge's motherfucking throat. And to top it all off, she was only penalized a SINGLE point.

No matter how badly some want to inject racism or sexism into this situation, it wasn't there.

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-Double Standard for Serena Williams (Important reading for all women and people of color)	Nikki Stone1	Sep-17-09 06:55 PM	#0
- I don't think it's the same thing at all	rockymountaindem	Sep-17-09 06:59 PM	#1
- +1. Thank you. I watched both matches. The incidents are not comparable	DevonRex	Sep-17-09 07:16 PM	#9
- I wonder if the people complaining of racism and sexism downthread even saw what happened	rockymountaindem	Sep-17-09 07:34 PM	#17
- nasty threw a shoe at a ref	Mosby	Sep-17-09 07:57 PM	#22
- That's not true at all...he was disqualified...stop making things up	joeybee12	Sep-18-09 02:06 PM	#91
- was he fined 10 grand?	Mosby	Sep-18-09 03:22 PM	#100
- McEnroe was fined $10,000 and suspended for two months for violations at the US Open.	City Lights	Sep-18-09 06:01 PM	#120
- Some aren't even interested where right & wrong lie.	burning rain	Sep-17-09 10:13 PM	#57
- LOL as you yourself are also doing.	Solomon	Sep-18-09 01:00 PM	#75
- Ah yes, I'm an Asian woman....	burning rain	Sep-18-09 01:43 PM	#83
- I watched both matches. Agree with you.	emilyg	Sep-17-09 09:08 PM	#47
- It's sloppy reporting like this that makes me question every outlet.	redqueen	Sep-18-09 10:36 AM	#71
- i agree	paulsby	Sep-17-09 08:55 PM	#35
- I thought she threatened to shove a ball down the judges throat..	TxRider	Sep-17-09 08:58 PM	#40
- I think the threat involved a different orifice, but it was something like that	slackmaster	Sep-18-09 03:58 PM	#114
- Exactly!	JimGinPA	Sep-18-09 01:07 PM	#78
- Serena threatened the lines woman Federer just bitched	krawhitham	Sep-18-09 06:41 PM	#121
- Notice how the OP posted and then, apparently, evaporated.	Beer on a stick	Sep-18-09 08:55 PM	#139
- As described, those two situations seem very different to me.	aikoaiko	Sep-17-09 07:04 PM	#2
- Serena also used the F word. nt	Captain Hilts	Sep-17-09 07:05 PM	#4
- Roger said the word "shit." I saw it live and did not hear the F-word.	DevonRex	Sep-17-09 07:17 PM	#10
- Thank you, I assumed at least that was the same.	aikoaiko	Sep-17-09 07:43 PM	#20
- the call aga. serena was actually a shitty unfair call	pitohui	Sep-17-09 08:16 PM	#27
- Even if it was a bad call, quasi-physical threats are not appropriate.	aikoaiko	Sep-17-09 08:55 PM	#36
- oh please	paulsby	Sep-17-09 08:56 PM	#
- Still not appropriate. Bad calls by sports officials are something a pro needs to deal with.	blondeatlast	Sep-18-09 01:01 PM	#76
- What, they don't have a right to call a foot fault?	LisaM	Sep-18-09 03:41 PM	#102
- Especially big servers--	blondeatlast	Sep-18-09 03:48 PM	#109
- Yep.	LisaM	Sep-18-09 03:48 PM	#110
- I thought her foot clearly touched the line.	Fire_Medic_Dave	Sep-20-09 12:30 AM	#146
- yes	paulsby	Sep-17-09 08:56 PM	#37
- Her outburst was unacceptable, but men get away with it. Sally Jenkins said something similar here	Captain Hilts	Sep-17-09 07:04 PM	#3
- No, they don't and Serena didn't foreit or get kicked out of the match...	joeybee12	Sep-18-09 03:04 PM	#98
- And now everyone will nitpick any little difference to justify the complete lack of Federer poutrage	BlooInBloo	Sep-17-09 07:05 PM	#5
- You must have a strange definition of "any little difference" (nt)	petronius	Sep-17-09 08:42 PM	#33
- Everyone on this board knows your game.	jesus_of_suburbia	Sep-18-09 08:52 PM	#137
- And now Bloo will make another empty, vapid, and cowardly post to justify his inability to think.	Forkboy	Sep-18-09 09:08 PM	#140
- Thanks	malaise	Sep-17-09 07:06 PM	#6
- puhlease	BoneDaddy	Sep-17-09 07:09 PM	#7
- I think Serena's conduct was slightly more severe, but the article is correct about ...	dolphindance	Sep-17-09 07:11 PM	#8
- mcenroe was booed plenty.	Hannah Bell	Sep-18-09 08:01 PM	#130
- Yeah, but he was overseas. Serena got turned on by her own country. Shameful. (n/t)	dolphindance	Sep-18-09 08:34 PM	#134
- "plenty" = that wasn't the first or last time.	Hannah Bell	Sep-18-09 08:52 PM	#136
- Serena threatened a judge, which neither Federer or McEnroe did.	Xithras	Sep-17-09 07:21 PM	#11
- I thnk Serena is a TERRORIST.	BlooInBloo	Sep-17-09 07:29 PM	#15
- Dude...that's stupid even by your standards.	Forkboy	Sep-18-09 10:15 AM	#68
- lol	Renew Deal	Sep-18-09 01:24 PM	#82
- Really? Have you read his posts?	jesus_of_suburbia	Sep-18-09 08:53 PM	#138
- Nah just a pretentious little rich girl with a bad temper.	Fire_Medic_Dave	Sep-18-09 09:57 PM	#144
- exactly	paulsby	Sep-17-09 08:58 PM	#39
- McEnroe never, ever threatened a judge? Really?? I find that hard to believe.	gbate	Sep-18-09 12:53 PM	#74
- No, never.	Xithras	Sep-18-09 01:48 PM	#84
- Black athletes are held to a different standard	Mosby	Sep-17-09 07:25 PM	#12
- Yup	ampad	Sep-17-09 07:30 PM	#16
- Really?	cherokeeprogressive	Sep-18-09 02:56 PM	#94
- You yourself refer to the Bucharest Buffoon as "Nasty."	Gwendolyn	Sep-17-09 08:07 PM	#24
- because that was his nickname - I didn't give it to him	Mosby	Sep-17-09 08:10 PM	#25
- Female tennis players are referred to by all kinds of names.	Gwendolyn	Sep-17-09 08:18 PM	#28
- I'm sure they are	Mosby	Sep-17-09 08:28 PM	#29
- bull	paulsby	Sep-17-09 08:59 PM	#42
- To be honest, I laughed a little at the sight of the tiny lineswoman running away.	Gwendolyn	Sep-18-09 08:06 PM	#131
- BS yourself	paulsby	Sep-17-09 08:58 PM	#41
- no sense?	Aragorn	Sep-17-09 10:14 PM	#59
- Bullshit	DatManFromNawlins	Sep-18-09 10:26 AM	#69
- YES- I bet if Pete Rose was a white guy	Nye Bevan	Sep-18-09 01:59 PM	#89
- Tiger gets the shaft every week by the officials. It's cost him countless tournaments.	Fire_Medic_Dave	Sep-20-09 12:32 AM	#147
- I think a man would have been treated the same. Joe Wilson was rebuked, for example	Indigent	Sep-17-09 07:28 PM	#13
- Boy do you have a lot	femrap	Sep-17-09 07:34 PM	#18
- Women aren't allowed to	femrap	Sep-17-09 07:29 PM	#14
- rubbish	paulsby	Sep-17-09 09:01 PM	#43
- Did you ever see mcenroe	femrap	Sep-17-09 10:23 PM	#60
- yes	paulsby	Sep-18-09 12:47 PM	#73
- Yes, and Billie Jean King, and Virginia Wade, and all the Virginia Slims tour pioneers.	blondeatlast	Sep-18-09 01:09 PM	#79
- wrong, wrong and wrong...if you're such a big tennis fan you would know that Serena	joeybee12	Sep-18-09 02:45 PM	#93
- She SHOULD have been forfieted. I know what happened, I watched it.	blondeatlast	Sep-18-09 03:47 PM	#106
- You may want to look up Billie Jean King; pioneer of women's tennis; who paved the way for	blondeatlast	Sep-18-09 01:06 PM	#77
- known for her temper? i don't think so. pioneer? not exActly.	Hannah Bell	Sep-18-09 08:12 PM	#132
- Either Racism or Sexism or both, she said Freakin' not F-Word..	HipChick	Sep-17-09 07:38 PM	#19
- Sorry. She said Fuck.	Lochloosa	Sep-17-09 07:54 PM	#21
- who fucking cares	Mosby	Sep-17-09 08:00 PM	#23
- So what?	MellowDem	Sep-17-09 09:48 PM	#51
- I'm comparing behavior not stats	Mosby	Sep-17-09 10:13 PM	#58
- yeah i saw that too...nothing aga. federer but WHEN will women be equal?	pitohui	Sep-17-09 08:14 PM	#26
- rubbish	paulsby	Sep-17-09 09:02 PM	#45
- Women will be equal with men in tennis when they play 5-set matches in GS tournaments.	City Lights	Sep-18-09 06:55 PM	#123
- Good grief, they were totally different. n/t	Zywiec	Sep-17-09 08:31 PM	#30
- My take	johnnie	Sep-17-09 08:37 PM	#31
- um, Federer is considered the best player in the game, ever.	kwassa	Sep-17-09 08:56 PM	#38
- Nope	johnnie	Sep-17-09 09:07 PM	#46
- You are very wrong.	kwassa	Sep-17-09 10:00 PM	#54
- I just asked a Friend of mine if she knew each name	johnnie	Sep-17-09 10:46 PM	#62
- I see. One other data point is convincing argument.	kwassa	Sep-18-09 07:48 AM	#63
- Yeah	johnnie	Sep-18-09 10:47 AM	#72
- If you like, you can make it 6 - 0 . . .	Petrushka	Sep-18-09 03:41 PM	#103
- No, you are wrong too	johnnie	Sep-18-09 06:56 PM	#124
- In that case . . .	Petrushka	Sep-18-09 08:48 PM	#135
- That just means your friend is ignorant too.	Raineyb	Sep-18-09 05:07 PM	#118
- Of copurse we are ignorant	johnnie	Sep-18-09 06:50 PM	#122
- Federer is a superstar.	kwassa	Sep-18-09 08:31 PM	#133
- I just asked my sister too	johnnie	Sep-18-09 09:40 PM	#141
- What's funny is that you think you get to decide who a superstar is based on who you have heard of.	Threedifferentones	Sep-22-09 05:38 PM	#149
- wrong analysis I believe	ncteechur	Sep-17-09 08:42 PM	#32
- A double standard would assume the exact same circumstances	Canuckistanian	Sep-17-09 08:47 PM	#34
- Did Federer wave his racket like a club and threaten to	geek tragedy	Sep-17-09 09:01 PM	#44
- Tiger Woods says, "Fuck!" on camera at least 5 or 6 times every	Holly_Hobby	Sep-17-09 09:30 PM	#48
- Shhhhhh!!!	MellowDem	Sep-17-09 09:50 PM	#52
- "No outrage from golf world"? BULL! FUCKING! SHIT!	bullwinkle428	Sep-18-09 09:01 AM	#66
- HA. My pop won't watch a tournament if he's playing. "Ruined the game with his FIST PUMP". n/t	cherokeeprogressive	Sep-18-09 03:00 PM	#97
- Um	Holly_Hobby	Sep-18-09 07:26 PM	#127
- I never heard him threaten to shove a club down someones throat.	Fire_Medic_Dave	Sep-20-09 12:34 AM	#148
- I think the outrage a bit faux.	kwassa	Sep-17-09 09:36 PM	#49
- Interesting point. If there exists an extra layer of expectations of suppressed "ladylike" behavior	omega minimo	Sep-17-09 09:58 PM	#53
- :thumbsup: perceptive mind meet crux	brindis_desala	Sep-18-09 08:17 AM	#64
- Painful to imagine the power in that toned instrument	omega minimo	Sep-18-09 04:04 PM	#115
- If this is double standard...	MellowDem	Sep-17-09 09:42 PM	#50
- Woo-hoo! More division! More! More! More!	Seeking Serenity	Sep-17-09 10:03 PM	#55
- please	Aragorn	Sep-17-09 10:05 PM	#56
- There is also a big difference between the chair judge and a line judge	MiniMe	Sep-17-09 10:45 PM	#61
- federer said 'shit'. he didn't threaten to 'shove the ball down his fucking throat'.	spanone	Sep-18-09 08:18 AM	#65
- I thought Serena deserved punishment...	Chemical Bill	Sep-18-09 10:01 AM	#67
- EXACTLY. I've been a competitive player in my youth and was coming	blondeatlast	Sep-18-09 01:15 PM	#80
- Serena was very threatening towards that official	LisaM	Sep-18-09 03:44 PM	#104
- It wasn't about the expletives so much as the actual threat, from what I understand.	redqueen	Sep-18-09 10:29 AM	#70
- Threatening physical harm to an official will get you thrown out of a game in almost any sport	Renew Deal	Sep-18-09 01:23 PM	#81
- Federer didn't threaten an official.	Iggo	Sep-18-09 01:49 PM	#85
- Let's see.......which one sounds worse	thelordofhell	Sep-18-09 01:49 PM	#86
- "I swear to God I’m fucking taking this ball and shoving it down your fucking throat"	Nye Bevan	Sep-18-09 01:54 PM	#87
- "I'm gonna take this fucking ball and shove it down your fucking throat."	LostInAnomie	Sep-18-09 01:58 PM	#88
- What a load of crap...if you can't see the difference between someon	joeybee12	Sep-18-09 02:05 PM	#90
- Threads like this demonstrate why the Unrec feature was such a good idea	Nye Bevan	Sep-18-09 02:38 PM	#92
- What bothers me is that these "fans" know nothing about tennis....	joeybee12	Sep-18-09 03:00 PM	#95
- NOTHING NEW UNDER THE TENNIS SUN	Mosby	Sep-18-09 03:29 PM	#101
- I think we can all agree that McEnroe was being hypocritical	LisaM	Sep-18-09 03:46 PM	#105
- He adds nothing in his commentary...nothing at all...	joeybee12	Sep-18-09 03:48 PM	#108
- I agree! n/t	LisaM	Sep-18-09 03:49 PM	#111
- McEnroe should know...he was defaulted out of a match he was winning	joeybee12	Sep-18-09 03:47 PM	#107
- What bothers me is that these "fans" know nothing about tennis....	joeybee12	Sep-18-09 03:00 PM	#96
- All I know is I watched a lot of McEnroe and Connors in the day	TheKentuckian	Sep-18-09 03:10 PM	#99
- Dunno about that double-standard...	redqueen	Sep-18-09 04:06 PM	#116
- this article is dreck. It is a shame that the Nation printed it.	hfojvt	Sep-18-09 03:54 PM	#112
- NO Need tp explain the double standard..	butterfly77	Sep-18-09 03:56 PM	#113
- No surprise there.	Raineyb	Sep-18-09 05:02 PM	#117
- Some feel the need to protect their own.	Sultana	Sep-18-09 05:30 PM	#119
- To everyone here talking about rules and consequences confined to the actual sport.	darkstar3	Sep-18-09 07:13 PM	#125
- Serena acted like a jerk--but EXACTLY what you said. This is the media's current shiny	blondeatlast	Sep-18-09 07:20 PM	#126
- It's hard to compare to 1980 as the coverage of all things sports has skyrocketed since then.	Forkboy	Sep-18-09 07:45 PM	#128
- That's a thinker...	darkstar3	Sep-18-09 09:48 PM	#142
- Well, here was my own personal reaction to the news.	johnaries	Sep-18-09 08:00 PM	#129
- maybe you shouldn't call them colored people. nt	subcomhd	Sep-18-09 09:56 PM	#143
- The double standard here is non-existent.	Fire_Medic_Dave	Sep-18-09 10:00 PM	#145

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