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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:33 AM
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184. Then instead of saying "snap", you should be upset about both instances.
You're going along with some of the bashing because you think it's making pro-Obama points. Trouble us, by doing so you're engaging, or at the least encouraging, the very same behavior you decry when it's directed towards Obama. So is it wrong or not?
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  -Kucinich Voted AGAINST Wilson Reprimand. berni_mccoy  Sep-15-09 06:13 PM   #0 
  - Kucinich has an interesting past nt  ecstatic   Sep-15-09 06:15 PM   #1 
  - Do tell.  mmonk   Sep-16-09 06:58 AM   #179 
  - Thinking of the future  Turbineguy   Sep-15-09 06:15 PM   #2 
  - So Kucinich supports interrupting addresses to Congress with heckling,  Occam Bandage   Sep-15-09 06:21 PM   # 
     - Representative Kucinich support full censure. Full censure.  Raster   Sep-15-09 06:25 PM   #11 
     - Oh, so he was just voting against a good bill because he wanted a better one.  Occam Bandage   Sep-15-09 06:30 PM   #16 
     - .  Barack_America   Sep-15-09 07:36 PM   #126 
     - Link?  ecstatic   Sep-15-09 06:30 PM   #17 
     - Self Delete. Posted wrong spot.  Junkdrawer   Sep-15-09 06:49 PM   #54 
     - not a valid conclusion  paulsby   Sep-15-09 06:44 PM   #45 
     - It's a valid conclusion from the premises offered in the post to which I replied.  Occam Bandage   Sep-15-09 06:50 PM   #56 
        - no, it's not  paulsby   Sep-15-09 06:55 PM   #68 
        - Given the premises in the post to which I was replying, yes.  Occam Bandage   Sep-15-09 07:03 PM   #88 
           - delete  Turbineguy   Sep-15-09 08:06 PM   #150 
           - that's an inference  paulsby   Sep-15-09 09:44 PM   #174 
        - So you agree that Obama supports torture...  Junkdrawer   Sep-15-09 07:18 PM   #111 
           - Yes  pundaint   Sep-16-09 03:11 AM   #178 
           - Yes  Aragorn   Sep-16-09 07:07 AM   #180 
     - Obama was opposed the censure  Indigent   Sep-15-09 07:45 PM   #138 
  - This should be interesting. Scooch over, there.  anigbrowl   Sep-15-09 06:17 PM   #3 
  - loll l ol. no heads exploding anyway. .... nah, of course not  seabeyond   Sep-15-09 06:27 PM   #14 
  - Don't blame him  Oregone   Sep-15-09 06:19 PM   #4 
  - dont blame him for his vote? who are we suppose to blame, ??? lol lol. nt  seabeyond   Sep-15-09 06:24 PM   #9 
  - I don't blame him. I think it's funny actually. I was an early Kucinich '08 supporter  berni_mccoy   Sep-15-09 06:35 PM   #27 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Sep-15-09 06:49 PM   #55 
  - Not important? So you are saying that  ashling   Sep-15-09 06:45 PM   #46 
  - Sure, a little ribbing is always welcome  Oregone   Sep-15-09 07:37 PM   #129 
  - So, it is ok to apologize for DK, but not for Obama, EVER, huh?  MoJoWorkin   Sep-15-09 06:45 PM   #48 
     - Who is apologizing?  Oregone   Sep-15-09 07:38 PM   #132 
  - I would guess there is a reason.  robinlynne   Sep-15-09 06:21 PM   #5 
  - I believe he was insisting upon a full censure.  flvegan   Sep-15-09 06:22 PM   #6 
  - Of course. All or nothing... in every way. Well I'll give him consistency points, I suppose.  BlooInBloo   Sep-15-09 06:37 PM   #30 
     - I'm sure that not having those points from you would keep him up at night  flvegan   Sep-15-09 06:44 PM   #42 
        - True that.  BlooInBloo   Sep-15-09 06:45 PM   #49 
  - of course there is a reason. isnt there ALWAYS a reason? nt  seabeyond   Sep-15-09 06:23 PM   #7 
  - Kucinich probably was more interested in the health care debate than a decorum breach.  Selatius   Sep-15-09 06:23 PM   #8 
  - so he went and voted no???? why not just not be there and be busy with  seabeyond   Sep-15-09 06:25 PM   #10 
  - Well, first off, I'm not trying to excuse what Kucinich just did.  Selatius   Sep-15-09 06:34 PM   #23 
     - even if not a big deal, which it isnt, no sense voting no. you are there, vote fuckin yes.... not  seabeyond   Sep-15-09 06:35 PM   #28 
        - Well, he voted no. He was obviously protesting something.  Selatius   Sep-15-09 06:42 PM   #40 
           - i dont think the other dems ever get this kinda support when they vote against dems  seabeyond   Sep-15-09 06:45 PM   #47 
           - Dennis Kucinich loves political point-scoring.  Occam Bandage   Sep-15-09 06:52 PM   #62 
  - or he could ahve been angry that the only question was where and how You lie was  robinlynne   Sep-15-09 06:27 PM   #13 
  - Yes, we all know how DK hates grandstanding and symbolic votes,  Occam Bandage   Sep-15-09 06:31 PM   #19 
  - And by give-and-take I assume you mean giving in to corporate interests.  armyowalgreens   Sep-15-09 06:38 PM   #33 
     - Nope. I don't. I mean negotiating. DK has never been any good at that.  Occam Bandage   Sep-15-09 06:48 PM   #53 
        - But you do not deny that he is right in his political beliefs, right?  armyowalgreens   Sep-15-09 07:00 PM   #81 
           - Most of 'em.  Occam Bandage   Sep-15-09 07:10 PM   #103 
  - That's what I'm thinking.  backscatter712   Sep-15-09 06:32 PM   #20 
  - nothing like looking like a united group as about tackle something important like healthcare  seabeyond   Sep-15-09 06:33 PM   #22 
  - Nice spin.... 9.9  ChimpersMcSmirkers   Sep-15-09 07:33 PM   #124 
     - lol, that is funny. nt  seabeyond   Sep-15-09 07:42 PM   #137 
     - Read post #23.  Selatius   Sep-15-09 07:48 PM   #139 
  - He might have wanted censure. Kucinich rarely compromises.  OmmmSweetOmmm   Sep-15-09 06:26 PM   #12 
  - Not a good excuse, and the reason he is more unreliable  SIMPLYB1980   Sep-15-09 06:29 PM   #15 
  - Well blue dogs ARE reliable republicans, if that is your thing I guess that counts as positive  Dragonfli   Sep-15-09 06:34 PM   #24 
  - Yes he is less reliable because he refuses to give into the bullshit.  armyowalgreens   Sep-15-09 06:35 PM   #29 
  - "If all politicians were like Kucinich, shit would get done."  Occam Bandage   Sep-15-09 06:38 PM   #32 
  - No. There is no place for blue dogs just like there is no place for corporatism.  armyowalgreens   Sep-15-09 06:41 PM   #38 
     - Shit would absolutely not get done. You know how I know that?  Occam Bandage   Sep-15-09 06:47 PM   #51 
        - He's never lead anything because it isn't a fucking whore.  armyowalgreens   Sep-15-09 06:53 PM   #64 
        - So 676 could pass Congress, if we didn't have moderates or conservatives in Congress.  Occam Bandage   Sep-15-09 06:56 PM   #70 
           - You are attempting to marginalize him by saying that he's in a "dreamland"...  armyowalgreens   Sep-15-09 06:57 PM   #75 
              - No, I'm saying he's a marginal politician who could only be successful in the land of your dreams.  Occam Bandage   Sep-15-09 06:59 PM   #76 
                 - I will gladly take the label "idealist" if it means that I don't act like a fucking dog.  armyowalgreens   Sep-15-09 07:03 PM   #89 
                    - Did anyone offer you that label? I sure didn't. nt  Occam Bandage   Sep-15-09 07:04 PM   #90 
                       - You mock me for refusing to compromise on a bill that is better.  armyowalgreens   Sep-15-09 07:06 PM   #95 
                          - Hm? You're not compromising on any bill.  Occam Bandage   Sep-15-09 07:09 PM   #100 
                             - Your politicians aren't "effective" at doing anything more than giving us candy coated shit.  armyowalgreens   Sep-15-09 07:16 PM   #108 
        - The problem is Democrats still don't control the legislative agenda.  Selatius   Sep-15-09 07:05 PM   #93 
        - Democrats do. Liberals don't.  Occam Bandage   Sep-15-09 07:07 PM   #97 
        - I agree with your assessment of Kucinich, except your last line.  tekisui   Sep-15-09 07:21 PM   #113 
  - LOL! nt  SIMPLYB1980   Sep-15-09 06:39 PM   #37 
  - um, no. there was no bullshit here. the resolution was perfectly reasonable  cali   Sep-15-09 07:10 PM   #101 
  - He is very reliable. He votes for what he believes in. You get what you see with him.  OmmmSweetOmmm   Sep-15-09 06:41 PM   #39 
  - +1  Individualist   Sep-15-09 06:31 PM   #18 
  - Except when picking out republican vice presidents  ecstatic   Sep-15-09 06:32 PM   #21 
  - And because of that, Kucinich consistently compromises.  Occam Bandage   Sep-15-09 06:35 PM   #26 
  - Surprise, surprise, surprise!  JuniperLea   Sep-15-09 06:35 PM   #25 
  - Kucinich voted against a meaningless wrist slap! off with his head!  KG   Sep-15-09 06:37 PM   #31 
  - Live by the bullshit symbolic grandstanding, die by the bullshit symbolic grandstanding. nt  Occam Bandage   Sep-15-09 06:38 PM   #34 
  - incoherent anonymous internet bluster; how quaint and rustic.  KG   Sep-15-09 07:18 PM   #109 
  - Get a grip.  Forkboy   Sep-16-09 07:27 AM   #182 
  - DLCers will continue their orgasms until DK explains his no vote.  Individualist   Sep-15-09 06:38 PM   #35 
     - no kidding - this thread is already a glazed donut.  KG   Sep-15-09 06:43 PM   #41 
     - Gads. It's like watching a clique of high school girls preening and crowing because they get to diss  scarletwoman   Sep-15-09 06:50 PM   # 
        - heh. guess they need a goat, coz with dem majorities on the hill and the WH, they still  KG   Sep-15-09 06:59 PM   #79 
           - ...and there it is.  flvegan   Sep-15-09 07:03 PM   #87 
  - Kucinich would probably prefer to have an all out brawl to determine...  Kansas Wyatt   Sep-15-09 06:39 PM   #36 
  - He has already cosponsored a fucking bill. It's called HR 676.  armyowalgreens   Sep-15-09 06:44 PM   #43 
     - And it will never pass as is.  SIMPLYB1980   Sep-15-09 06:50 PM   #57 
     - They are corporatists. Why is that such an unbelievable concept to you?  armyowalgreens   Sep-15-09 06:54 PM   #66 
        - Yawn. nt  SIMPLYB1980   Sep-15-09 07:05 PM   #92 
        - Don't waste your time.  Individualist   Sep-15-09 07:18 PM   #110 
        - Didn't you say yesterday that DLC'ers would never  SIMPLYB1980   Sep-15-09 07:29 PM   #122 
        - I see ignored below my previous post  Individualist   Sep-15-09 07:38 PM   #131 
           - LOL! Thank god you can put your fingers in your ears and,  SIMPLYB1980   Sep-15-09 07:49 PM   #140 
           - ...  armyowalgreens   Sep-15-09 07:52 PM   #142 
              - Ummm....  Individualist   Sep-15-09 07:58 PM   #144 
              - That's what I was thinking. I just wanted to verify.  armyowalgreens   Sep-15-09 08:01 PM   #147 
                 - Bwahahahaaha! ROTFLMFAO!  berni_mccoy   Sep-15-09 08:07 PM   #151 
              - This poster is all in a tizzy and thinks he/she is Mary Poppins (see post #55 above)  berni_mccoy   Sep-15-09 08:02 PM   #148 
                 - Maybe he or she is Mary Poppins.  armyowalgreens   Sep-15-09 08:05 PM   #149 
        - Is EVERYONE who isn't a pure-red Socialist a Corporatist? Sheesh, I'm tired of these fucking labels.  berni_mccoy   Sep-15-09 08:21 PM   #157 
           - These people are so far from socialist that your question is a little bit illogical.  armyowalgreens   Sep-15-09 08:30 PM   #163 
              - Did I misread your post? How does that logic work?  berni_mccoy   Sep-15-09 08:38 PM   #169 
     - Yes. A bill that had no chance of ever being passed due to his pathological inability to negotiate.  Occam Bandage   Sep-15-09 06:54 PM   #67 
     - 676 is the best bill out of all the healthcare bills, is it not?  armyowalgreens   Sep-15-09 06:56 PM   #71 
     - Yes. But bills aren't inherently any more useful than toilet paper.  Occam Bandage   Sep-15-09 07:00 PM   #80 
        - You are using the failed system to argue against someone trying to fix it.  armyowalgreens   Sep-15-09 07:03 PM   #85 
           - Has DK ever tried to change the rules of order or the composition of the Congress?  Occam Bandage   Sep-15-09 07:04 PM   #91 
              - Yes he has. He has supported and continues to support finance reform.  armyowalgreens   Sep-15-09 07:13 PM   #106 
     - Speaking of pathological.  Forkboy   Sep-16-09 07:28 AM   #183 
     - Umm....  Kansas Wyatt   Sep-15-09 07:02 PM   #84 
  - Well save yer popcorn on my behalf...  ljm2002   Sep-15-09 06:44 PM   #44 
  - It never ceases to amaze me how some 'Democrats' will insanely grasp onto  NorthCarolina   Sep-15-09 06:47 PM   #50 
  - "who has continually sought to better the lives of average folk"  Occam Bandage   Sep-15-09 06:51 PM   #61 
  - Your talking about how Obama is treated on this site, right?  berni_mccoy   Sep-15-09 06:52 PM   #63 
  - I didn't attack Obama, and I am not defending Kucinich. I am just commenting on an observation nt  NorthCarolina   Sep-15-09 06:55 PM   #69 
  - I never said you attacked Obama.  berni_mccoy   Sep-15-09 06:57 PM   #73 
  - "Your talking..."  Individualist   Sep-15-09 07:27 PM   #121 
     - Yes Mary Poppins (see post #55), I wilz lurnz gramerz  berni_mccoy   Sep-15-09 09:49 PM   #176 
  - It's the hypocricy...they don't mind condemming Pres Obama  Cha   Sep-15-09 06:57 PM   #74 
  - Maybe, but I'm not yet aware of the reason behind DK's no vote. I will wait to hear  NorthCarolina   Sep-15-09 07:10 PM   #104 
  - IT's against the House Rules and I read  Cha   Sep-15-09 07:26 PM   #120 
  - Just bookmark this thread. It's full of defenses that they call b.s. on when we defend Obama  berni_mccoy   Sep-15-09 07:16 PM   #107 
     - Good idea.. I already  Cha   Sep-15-09 07:24 PM   #117 
     - Done!  azmouse   Sep-15-09 07:37 PM   #130 
  - I did one of those political tests a few years back, and Kucinich's *stated* views  ecstatic   Sep-15-09 07:03 PM   #86 
  - Of course he did. and the Dennisians will come up with a...  TreasonousBastard   Sep-15-09 06:48 PM   #52 
  - I'm still a Kucinich supporter  johnnie   Sep-15-09 06:50 PM   #58 
  - So did Jim McDermott. Barney Franks voted "present"  Junkdrawer   Sep-15-09 06:50 PM   #59 
  - Frank voted Present because he has a conflict of interest. He was reprimanded before  berni_mccoy   Sep-15-09 06:54 PM   #65 
     - I grow weary of the Democrat vs. Republican game...  Junkdrawer   Sep-15-09 06:56 PM   #72 
        - Yeah, wilson broke the rules..and the Dems called him OUT  Cha   Sep-15-09 06:59 PM   #77 
        - It's politics.  berni_mccoy   Sep-15-09 06:59 PM   #78 
           - Too often it resembles Studio Wrestling n/t  Junkdrawer   Sep-15-09 07:00 PM   #82 
              - Well, I can't disagree with you on that.  berni_mccoy   Sep-15-09 08:08 PM   #152 
                 - It's a 'Burgh thing. (The granddaddy of the WWWF).  Junkdrawer   Sep-15-09 08:32 PM   #164 
  - Whatever  Raine   Sep-15-09 06:50 PM   #60 
  - Thats rich from the people who don't want to  SIMPLYB1980   Sep-15-09 07:02 PM   #83 
     - You didn't get the memo. Us Obama supporters are held to a double standard.  berni_mccoy   Sep-15-09 07:12 PM   #105 
     - Apparently I'm not allowed to be pro-Obama  Raine   Sep-15-09 07:41 PM   #136 
     - WHY would you assume such a thing ...  Raine   Sep-15-09 07:39 PM   #135 
  - Perhaps he holds the First Amendment in higher esteem than Representative Wilson?  ddeclue   Sep-15-09 07:05 PM   #94 
  - Please describe in detail precisely how ANYTHING Congress considered doing...  BlooInBloo   Sep-15-09 07:07 PM   #96 
  - I don't agree that it was - I'm just putting myself in DK's shoes and trying to come up with a  ddeclue   Sep-15-09 07:10 PM   #102 
  - LOL the first amendment has nothing to do with this.  SemiCharmedQuark   Sep-15-09 07:08 PM   #98 
  - Maybe he's considering Joe Wilson as a potential running mate.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Sep-15-09 07:09 PM   #99 
  - That must be it.  DevonRex   Sep-15-09 07:23 PM   #115 
  - Well, Obama deplored the whole censure thing as a "circus"  kenny blankenship   Sep-15-09 07:18 PM   #112 
  - Snap!  Individualist   Sep-15-09 07:21 PM   #114 
  - And maybe Obama isn't a member of the House whose rules were violated.  subcomhd   Sep-15-09 07:25 PM   #119 
  - Snap!  berni_mccoy   Sep-15-09 07:37 PM   #127 
  - Actually, Obama did NOT deplore the rebuke as a circus...  berni_mccoy   Sep-15-09 07:36 PM   #125 
     - So he likes SOME acts of the circus then?  kenny blankenship   Sep-15-09 07:39 PM   # 
        - Reading comprehension issues? Here's some help  berni_mccoy   Sep-15-09 07:51 PM   #141 
           - Wow, I never understood before that DENNIS KUCINICH IS A RACIST!!111!  kenny blankenship   Sep-15-09 07:56 PM   #143 
              - WTF?  berni_mccoy   Sep-15-09 07:59 PM   # 
  - Kucinich is worse than useless.  subcomhd   Sep-15-09 07:23 PM   #116 
  - He has never accomplished a thing for working people in this country  johnnie   Sep-15-09 08:32 PM   #165 
     - what is his biggest legislative accomplishment? nt  subcomhd   Sep-15-09 08:46 PM   #171 
  - But Kucinich did vote FOR:  azmouse   Sep-15-09 07:24 PM   #118 
  - Those things are only to be condemned when Obama supports them.  subcomhd   Sep-15-09 07:31 PM   #123 
  - Hammer. Nail. Double. Standard.  berni_mccoy   Sep-15-09 07:39 PM   #134 
  - Woah there Nellie! He only voted for those because he wanted something better later.  ChimpersMcSmirkers   Sep-15-09 07:37 PM   #128 
     - and only St. D the Perfect may do that. nt  subcomhd   Sep-15-09 08:48 PM   #172 
  - Dennis has the highest Ppiv in Congress  JBoy   Sep-15-09 07:39 PM   #133 
  - So, he refused to join in the marshmallow throw? How awful!!  Tierra_y_Libertad   Sep-15-09 07:58 PM   #145 
  - Gotta disagree with Dennis on this one  mvd   Sep-15-09 07:59 PM   #146 
  - Pretty obvious - Dennis always had a soft spot for Mr. Wilson  grantcart   Sep-15-09 08:12 PM   #153 
  - A lot of people showing their true colors in this thread  Sebastian Doyle   Sep-15-09 08:13 PM   #154 
  - How Rovian of you. Everyone you disagree with is a Republican. Got it.  berni_mccoy   Sep-15-09 08:19 PM   #155 
     - No, but the ones who look for any excuse to bash a good Democrat probably are.  Sebastian Doyle   Sep-15-09 08:23 PM   #159 
        - The same exact shit happens to Obama here. This thread is a perfect reflection of what goes on  berni_mccoy   Sep-15-09 08:29 PM   #161 
           - Then instead of saying "snap", you should be upset about both instances.  Forkboy   Sep-16-09 07:33 AM   #184 
  - Let's push for a formal reprimand against him, shall we? nt  EmilyAnne   Sep-15-09 08:20 PM   #156 
  - Voting Yea or No is not a violation of House Rules.  berni_mccoy   Sep-15-09 08:22 PM   #158 
     - I should have used the sarcasm feature. I was trying to make a joke. Imagine one long string of  EmilyAnne   Sep-15-09 08:29 PM   #162 
        - Ah, I see. Sorry I missed that. Although...  berni_mccoy   Sep-15-09 08:33 PM   #166 
  - Because this is more like a slap on the wrist than any actual punishment?  sakabatou   Sep-15-09 08:25 PM   #160 
  - What? Kucinich swimming against the tide? I'm shocked. Shocked!  Bucky   Sep-15-09 08:33 PM   #167 
  - I don't  Rex   Sep-15-09 08:37 PM   #168 
  - I happen to think Dennis Kucinich's version of "Sixteen Tons" was goddamned  saltpoint   Sep-15-09 08:38 PM   #170 
  - Equally baffling: Dana Rohrabacher, RW nutcase personified, voted YES.  VOX   Sep-15-09 08:59 PM   #173 
  - Brain swap?  anigbrowl   Sep-15-09 09:45 PM   #175 
  - As I understand it, based on what the news said without actually reading the bill there is no  JonLP24   Sep-16-09 02:54 AM   #177 
  - I'm with you on that one.  Forkboy   Sep-16-09 07:34 AM   #185 
  - Yes, but you neglect those 'Dems' on this board who are ever so desperate  NorthCarolina   Sep-16-09 08:41 AM   #188 
  - I love Dennis and have a lot of respect for him and will continue too  madokie   Sep-16-09 07:13 AM   #181 
  - K has a Napoleanic complex!!!  watercolors   Sep-16-09 08:22 AM   #186 
  - naaa. he just isn't into political grandstanding. nt  jonnyblitz   Sep-16-09 08:25 AM   #187 
  - Wilson Deserved To Be Chastized!  zorahopkins   Sep-16-09 08:51 AM   #189 
  - why?  mdmc   Sep-19-09 10:29 AM   #190 
  - God, who the hell cares.  BuyingThyme   Sep-19-09 10:31 AM   #191 

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