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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 03:20 PM
Response to Reply #179
187. Disagree
Edited on Tue Sep-15-09 03:26 PM by Hawkowl
I said he continues many of Bush policies, not that he is "just like Bush". A rhetorical distinction in logic that is significant.

Also he has not done ANYTHING to shift the tax burden to the wealthy. The health INSURANCE reform is crap, although I will give him the benefit of the doubt and wait to see a final version. Hopefully we'll get it sooner than the FOUR YEAR timetable he laid out in his speech to Congress. Israeli settlements continue with Netanyahu flipping Obama the big metaphorical bird. Travel restrictions to Cuba were a joke, since anyone could go as long as you went via Canada or Mexico. Cap and trade is nothing but an illusion at this point at best and at worst, another giant bubble market to be manipulated by the vampire squid banksters.

Yes, returning the US to the Geneva conventions is good-- but not a major change. Last time I checked, Guantanamo is still open for its nefarious business. Last time I checked, Obama wants to put all this behind us and not root out and try the war criminals in our midst who perpetrated these crimes in our name. Not to mention that it was announced today, that Obama will extend the abominable Patriot Act provisions pushed by fuhrer W.

So, for now, Obama is simply the master at chump change. Not significant change.
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  -Stop Begging Obama and Get Mad- Chris Hedges Orwellian_Ghost  Sep-14-09 08:39 PM   #0 
  - k/r  PM Martin   Sep-14-09 08:45 PM   #1 
  - k&r  margotb822   Sep-14-09 08:46 PM   #2 
  - kick n/t  TBF   Sep-14-09 09:21 PM   #3 
  - Hedges is brilliant n/t  lordsummerisle   Sep-14-09 09:28 PM   #4 
  - ENOUGH of this Lyndon LaDOUCHE-like anti-Obama HORSESHIT. I am reporting it to site management.  RBInMaine   Sep-14-09 09:35 PM   #5 
  - WAKE.THE.FUCK.UP.  Skittles   Sep-14-09 10:07 PM   #14 
  - Leftwing Teabaggers are the ones who need to wake up.  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 08:26 AM   #29 
  - ++++++1  berni_mccoy   Sep-15-09 10:28 AM   #83 
  - At least in Canada she would have SPHC.  SammyWinstonJack   Sep-15-09 11:57 AM   #100 
  - I'm sure Stephen Harper would welcome you with open arms.  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 12:10 PM   #107 
     - That's what Freepers say. nt  Truth2Tell   Sep-15-09 01:34 PM   #153 
        - The Freepers will be in line with you trying to escape  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 02:17 PM   #165 
           - Corporatist like you are destroying America. Go back to the corporatist party, we dont want you. nt  rhett o rick   Sep-15-09 03:52 PM   #211 
              - so obama supporters are all corporatists?  dionysus   Sep-15-09 04:21 PM   #223 
              - No, and I didn't say that at all. I am a Pres Obama supporter. This poster is telling  rhett o rick   Sep-15-09 04:44 PM   #235 
                 - rhett, i think the poster is quite worked up because he's fighting with a bunch of people who  dionysus   Sep-15-09 04:57 PM   #239 
                    - Thank you for the civil response. I get a little irrate when I hear people on here that  rhett o rick   Sep-15-09 07:01 PM   #241 
                       - the problem i fear is not obama, but i worry about the congress.  dionysus   Sep-15-09 08:18 PM   #243 
                          - I still have faith in Pres Obama. Congress not at all. We have allowed our  rhett o rick   Sep-15-09 11:24 PM   #245 
              - Do you have a brain, or are you just a talking points generating  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 04:23 PM   #226 
                 - shut up you corporatist nazi!!11!!11!!11 go roll around in your piles of money...  dionysus   Sep-15-09 04:24 PM   #228 
                 - You wish I were a bot. Then you and your corporatist friends could have full reign of the party.  rhett o rick   Sep-15-09 04:46 PM   #237 
  - So are you saying that we should sit back and accept what Pres Obama does for us? Not lobby for our  rhett o rick   Sep-15-09 03:17 PM   #186 
  - Red baiting takes on new lows  Ulysses_The_Red   Sep-16-09 05:51 AM   #254 
  - GO BACK TO SLEEP LIKE YOU HAVE FOR THE PAST MANY YEARS.  Butch350   Sep-15-09 11:22 AM   #92 
  - +1000  Lorien   Sep-15-09 12:53 PM   #121 
  - .  GCP   Sep-15-09 03:50 PM   #208 
  - That's a creepy post  Orwellian_Ghost   Sep-15-09 07:37 AM   #22 
  - Perhaps satire?  blindpig   Sep-15-09 08:13 AM   #24 
  - You mean nutjobs like Hedges who think Obama=Bush/Cheney?  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 08:29 AM   #32 
     - Nope  blindpig   Sep-15-09 09:40 AM   #79 
        - The electorate didn't demand single payer.  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 12:22 PM   #110 
           - the majority supports single payer.  Hannah Bell   Sep-15-09 12:56 PM   #123 
              - A majority believes evolution is a myth.  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 01:05 PM   #128 
                 - lol. they understand ithe implications better than they understand the  Hannah Bell   Sep-15-09 01:10 PM   #133 
                 - You have any proof of that?  rhett o rick   Sep-15-09 03:25 PM   #189 
                    - I favor making everyone eligible to buy into Medicare. nt  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 03:29 PM   #193 
  - +1  Myrina   Sep-15-09 09:36 AM   #77 
  - Your argument would make some sense were it not  ooglymoogly   Sep-15-09 11:57 AM   #101 
  - Some people here think that a dead child in Afghanistan  truedelphi   Sep-15-09 02:16 PM   #162 
  - I'm with you. nt  zanne   Sep-15-09 12:48 PM   #117 
  - chris hedges = larouchite? link please.  Hannah Bell   Sep-15-09 12:54 PM   #122 
  - Heil Obama!  Hawkowl   Sep-15-09 03:31 PM   #195 
  - that sounds like something a republican would say.  dionysus   Sep-15-09 04:23 PM   #227 
     - Quick on the uptake are you?  Hawkowl   Sep-15-09 10:21 PM   #244 
        - that is, something a repub would say, or a democrat bitter to the core that he won.  dionysus   Sep-16-09 11:44 AM   #262 
           - I voted for him  Hawkowl   Sep-17-09 12:15 AM   #263 
  - Shut up and fall in line  Ulysses_The_Red   Sep-16-09 05:54 AM   #255 
  - Kick  debbierlus   Sep-14-09 09:37 PM   #6 
  - Yes, the frustration is definitely growing....and growing...and growing.  bobbolink   Sep-14-09 09:40 PM   #7 
  - Author is a Lyndon LaDOUCHE-like fool, and our job is to attack RePUKES not Obama. Piss on him !  RBInMaine   Sep-14-09 09:57 PM   #10 
     - THere is still freedom of speech on DU, and if you don't like that...  bobbolink   Sep-14-09 10:04 PM   #11 
     - Your crowd thinks Obama=Bush/Cheney, so indeed why should  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 09:08 AM   #62 
        - you need a new playbook.  bobbolink   Sep-15-09 02:35 PM   #174 
        - And your crowd thinks politics is fantasy football.  JoseGaspar   Sep-15-09 03:06 PM   #181 
     - I'll attack anyone, who is working for corporate interests over the peoples.  Dr.Phool   Sep-15-09 08:11 AM   #23 
        - Then you should not be on a Democratic website.  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 08:27 AM   #30 
           - Democrat does not equal blind loyalist  datasuspect   Sep-15-09 08:57 AM   #50 
           - So says the guy with a Lenin picture in his sig.  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 08:59 AM   #54 
           - you sure got the rw smear tactics down pat  datasuspect   Sep-15-09 09:00 AM   #56 
           - There's a core of common sense and wisdom in leftism.  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 09:06 AM   #58 
           - i will reply to you piece by piece  datasuspect   Sep-15-09 09:13 AM   #64 
           - Hedges is a well-known "Nader was right' ideologue who  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 09:22 AM   #67 
              - funny. hedges was a war correspondent.  Hannah Bell   Sep-15-09 12:59 PM   #124 
              - I love how people who have never been in the trenches,  Dr.Phool   Sep-16-09 12:05 AM   #247 
              - So Hedges' ideology = bad but yours = good? n/t  Raineyb   Sep-15-09 01:06 PM   #129 
              - Hedges's ideology isn't the problem--it's his fundamentalism, purism,  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 01:17 PM   #137 
                 - It's always amusing to see Democratic Party loyalists accuse others of being "purists".  Tierra_y_Libertad   Sep-15-09 01:22 PM   #139 
                    - You Bush=Gore/Obama=Bush are the real intellectual giants.  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 01:23 PM   #141 
                       - You don't care for democracy?  Tierra_y_Libertad   Sep-15-09 01:26 PM   #143 
                          - Well, you got what you wanted in 2000 and 2004.  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 01:29 PM   #147 
                             - So, democracy is OK with you when you like the results.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Sep-15-09 01:32 PM   #150 
                                - We have to live with the results of bad decisions in a  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 02:13 PM   #160 
                                   - The left is available to Obama, all he has to do is move away from the "middle".  Tierra_y_Libertad   Sep-15-09 02:18 PM   #166 
                                   - Republicans and you Naderites are an unholy alliance.  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 02:20 PM   #169 
                                   - Hogwash.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Sep-15-09 02:35 PM   #173 
                                   - Lord, when are some going to stop calling out Nader? GORE LOST mostly because he ran  ShortnFiery   Sep-15-09 03:25 PM   #190 
                                   - Leave Ralphhhiiiiiee alooooonnnnee! nt  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 03:36 PM   #200 
              - "Organized Labor"  Ulysses_The_Red   Sep-16-09 06:01 AM   #257 
           - "undermine his agenda", no way  blindpig   Sep-15-09 11:00 AM   #89 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-15-09 12:07 PM   #105 
                 - I would be happy with single payer and exiting the ME.  blindpig   Sep-15-09 01:05 PM   #127 
           - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Sep-15-09 11:25 AM   #95 
           - Going for a gold medal in red baiting today  Ulysses_The_Red   Sep-16-09 05:58 AM   #256 
           - hookay comrade....  dionysus   Sep-15-09 11:23 AM   #93 
           - You are saying that the Democratic Party is for CorpAmerica and therefore those that cant  rhett o rick   Sep-15-09 03:26 PM   #191 
           - Kucinich got  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 03:31 PM   #196 
              - What? Kucinich got what? You aren't saying that 99% of the party favors the DLC?  rhett o rick   Sep-15-09 03:38 PM   #201 
                 - He got less than 1% of the vote in the primaries.  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 04:22 PM   #224 
                    - Wrong again. My "litmus test" is if you support the people not corporations.  rhett o rick   Sep-16-09 08:19 AM   #261 
           - So Democratic now equals Corporatist ?  GCP   Sep-15-09 03:54 PM   #214 
           - That's what he appears to be saying.  Dr.Phool   Sep-16-09 12:10 AM   #248 
           - Sorry pal, I'm a former Democratic Congressional candidate.  Dr.Phool   Sep-16-09 12:00 AM   #246 
  - Teddy Roosevelt on criticism of the President.  bobbolink   Sep-14-09 09:43 PM   #8 
  - And this is DEMOCRATIC (aka PARTY) Underground, and not the place to attack OUR president like this.  RBInMaine   Sep-14-09 09:55 PM   #9 
     - we are not goosesteppers here  Skittles   Sep-14-09 10:10 PM   #16 
     - No one who agrees with Hedges can honestly call themselves  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 08:28 AM   #31 
     - Lots of people here aren't Democrats. They're leftwing Teabaggers.  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 08:31 AM   #34 
     - Geez  blindpig   Sep-15-09 10:54 AM   #88 
     - No, actually  Pennelope Pennebaker   Sep-15-09 11:16 AM   #90 
     - And you would sell out Americans to the health insurers. And you call yourself a Democrat?  rhett o rick   Sep-15-09 03:39 PM   #202 
     - Self delete, duplicate.  rhett o rick   Sep-15-09 03:43 PM   #203 
     - And some kool-aid drinkers are insane.  Dr.Phool   Sep-16-09 12:15 AM   #249 
     - No, actually we're just reccing it to piss you off!  Dr.Phool   Sep-16-09 12:18 AM   #250 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Sep-15-09 10:51 AM   #86 
     - if democrats can't debate policy here, where the fuck *is* the right "place"?  Hannah Bell   Sep-15-09 01:08 PM   #131 
     - This isn't a policy debate. It's an open declaration of war  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 01:10 PM   #132 
        - bull. it's a policy debate. unless you're suggesting a purge is in order under the 'big tent'?  Hannah Bell   Sep-15-09 01:12 PM   #134 
           - Hedges says Obama=Bush and that people should STOP  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 01:14 PM   #136 
              - obama specifically asked for policy input from the public. now *you're* saying if we don't  Hannah Bell   Sep-15-09 01:39 PM   #155 
                 - Hedges doesn't believe in lobbying Obama. He believes in  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 02:11 PM   #159 
                    - lol. obama asked people to hold his feet to the fire. so we are, unlike  Hannah Bell   Sep-15-09 02:17 PM   #164 
                       - Obama=Bush isn't accountability. It's mindless partisan bashing  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 02:19 PM   #168 
     - This is not a football game  Hawkowl   Sep-15-09 01:28 PM   #145 
        - "continuing Bush's policies."  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 02:22 PM   #170 
           - Hello?  Hawkowl   Sep-15-09 02:45 PM   #176 
              - Scheduled withdrawal of ALL US troops by 2011 from Iraq, the  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 02:58 PM   #179 
                 - Disagree  Hawkowl   Sep-15-09 03:20 PM   #187 
                    - Yes, if Obama pushes it, it must be irrelevant.  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 03:35 PM   #199 
                       - Again  Hawkowl   Sep-15-09 03:43 PM   #204 
  - tool indeed  Skittles   Sep-14-09 10:07 PM   #12 
  - Ha. You described yourself as a supporter of Obama  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 08:30 AM   #33 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-15-09 11:27 AM   #96 
  - k&r  jannyk   Sep-14-09 10:07 PM   #13 
  - it is good to be a bank or insurance corporation (same difference)  branders seine   Sep-14-09 10:09 PM   #15 
  - Now that you've ranted and raved, Chris,...will you get off the boose and help us?  sicksicksick_N_tired   Sep-14-09 10:11 PM   #17 
  - He IS helping us, sicksick. He's helping us by reminding some of us and educating others  bertman   Sep-14-09 10:38 PM   #18 
  - Please, do not patronize me or assume me ignorant or asleep on any of those issues.  sicksicksick_N_tired   Sep-14-09 10:48 PM   #19 
  - You can't agree with Hedges and support Obama.  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 08:25 AM   #28 
     - Question  Orwellian_Ghost   Sep-15-09 08:37 AM   #36 
     - Who received more money in small donations from ordinary Americans  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 08:41 AM   #39 
     - Oh but wait  Orwellian_Ghost   Sep-15-09 08:42 AM   #41 
        - Not Obama. But thank you for spreading misinformation.  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 08:52 AM   #45 
     - You admit that you are an opponent and not a supporter of Obama.  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 08:43 AM   #42 
        - Personal integrity  Orwellian_Ghost   Sep-15-09 08:45 AM   #43 
           - Increase in US presence in Iraq? Talk about integrity. nt  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 08:55 AM   #48 
     - Obama has become little more than a front man for  coalition_unwilling   Sep-15-09 08:38 AM   #37 
     - Then Democrats are your political enemies. You are not our ally. nt  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 08:40 AM   #38 
        - I campaigned for Obama in 2008. I won't be  coalition_unwilling   Sep-15-09 08:47 AM   #44 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-15-09 08:57 AM   #51 
           - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Sep-15-09 09:06 AM   #59 
           - lol. the poster campaigned & voted for obama. he has as much reason to be here as you.  Hannah Bell   Sep-15-09 01:20 PM   #138 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-15-09 08:57 AM   #52 
           - +1  SammyWinstonJack   Sep-15-09 12:07 PM   #104 
     - but obama IS a corporatist  datasuspect   Sep-15-09 08:55 AM   #47 
        - Eh, there's no debating things with Leninists to whom everyone  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 08:58 AM   #53 
           - again  datasuspect   Sep-15-09 09:01 AM   #57 
              - It's not leftism, it's ideologically fundamentalist leftists.  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 09:07 AM   #61 
                 - you sound like the best rw stooge.  datasuspect   Sep-15-09 09:15 AM   #66 
                    - No, stooges are the ones who suggest that Obama is a fascist  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 09:25 AM   #70 
                       - YOU ARE THE ONLY PERSON IN THIS THREAD THAT HAS SAID THIS  datasuspect   Sep-15-09 09:28 AM   #72 
                          - You said I was supporting fascism because I disagree that Obama  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 09:29 AM   #74 
                             - i never said that  datasuspect   Sep-15-09 09:31 AM   #76 
                             - the hell you're not implying it though, comrade.  dionysus   Sep-15-09 11:34 AM   #98 
                             - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-15-09 12:05 PM   #103 
                                - shall we bring it up with the commissar?  dionysus   Sep-15-09 12:48 PM   #118 
                                   - Alles klar, Herr Komissar? nt  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 01:04 PM   #126 
                             - he didn't say that. not only can't you argue on the basis of policy, you  Hannah Bell   Sep-15-09 01:22 PM   #140 
  - Hedges is a Naderite wanker who bloviates from behind a keyboard. nt  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 08:24 AM   #27 
     - And? That Doesn't Make What He Wrote Any Less True.  Toasterlad   Sep-15-09 10:53 AM   #87 
        - Naderites are the world's biggest fools and collectively  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 12:09 PM   #106 
           - Again, And? What Does Your Opinion of the Author Have to Do With the Truth of His Article?  Toasterlad   Sep-15-09 12:34 PM   #113 
           - He's pushing Naderism and Teabaggerism.  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 12:36 PM   #114 
              - He's Pointing Out that Obama Is a Corporatist.  Toasterlad   Sep-15-09 12:53 PM   #120 
                 - Not all of us are Naderites who want to destroy the Democratic  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 01:08 PM   #130 
                    - when "democrat" = "republican + abortion," the party is doing a fine job of destroying itself.  Hannah Bell   Sep-15-09 01:27 PM   #144 
                    - Yes, it's that simple.  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 01:31 PM   #149 
                    - I Don't Give Two Shits WHICH Party Gives Me What I Want, As Long As I Get What I Want.  Toasterlad   Sep-15-09 02:14 PM   #161 
                    - I have a much more nuanced view of Obama than your crowd does.  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 02:16 PM   #163 
                    - Anyone Who Doesn't View ALL Politicians With Suspicion Is a Child  Toasterlad   Sep-15-09 02:34 PM   #172 
                       - Homophobia, ad hom insults, and lies.  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 02:40 PM   #175 
                          - Homophobia - That's a Good One.  Toasterlad   Sep-15-09 02:56 PM   #178 
                             - Yes, insulting Obama supporters  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 02:59 PM   #180 
                                - I'm Not Insulting the Activity OR the People Who Engage In It  Toasterlad   Sep-15-09 03:10 PM   #184 
                                   - I love how people who completely unaccomplished in their own life  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 03:33 PM   #198 
                                   - And I Love How People Who Don't Understand How Democracy Works Look Down On Those Who Do  Toasterlad   Sep-15-09 03:52 PM   #212 
                                   - do you *really* consider trashing obama on a message board as some kind of noble activism?  dionysus   Sep-15-09 04:26 PM   #229 
                                      - No, That's Just Fun.  Toasterlad   Sep-15-09 04:44 PM   #236 
                                      - "keeping your head up Obama's ass" uh, not really. but you may continue to work yourself into a rage  dionysus   Sep-15-09 04:53 PM   #238 
                                   - .  dionysus   Sep-15-09 04:10 PM   #219 
                                   - well, you have clearly expressed your hatred of obama. let it simmer, and hold it close.  dionysus   Sep-15-09 04:07 PM   #218 
                                      - Oh, Sweetie, I Don't Waste My Hate On Obama.  Toasterlad   Sep-15-09 04:15 PM   #222 
                                         - dunno, he seems to really piss you off  dionysus   Sep-15-09 04:22 PM   #225 
                                            - That's Only Because You're Drunk.  Toasterlad   Sep-15-09 04:32 PM   #233 
                                            - you don't make a bit of sense dude... you ooooooze hate for the guy, and  dionysus   Sep-15-09 04:34 PM   #234 
                    - so obama's just in it for the money? give me a fucking break.  dionysus   Sep-15-09 04:03 PM   #215 
                       - Not At All. He's In It Primarily For the Power.  Toasterlad   Sep-15-09 04:06 PM   #216 
                    - When the Democratic Party let the corporatists in like you, the part is destroyed. nt  rhett o rick   Sep-15-09 03:48 PM   #206 
                    - Democratic  Ulysses_The_Red   Sep-16-09 06:06 AM   #258 
           - So you support Glenn Beck's pinky. Fuck off asshole. nt  rhett o rick   Sep-15-09 03:49 PM   #207 
  - K&R - tiny changes that someday maybe someone somewhere might believe int..  ddeclue   Sep-14-09 11:04 PM   #20 
  - k/r  emilyg   Sep-15-09 12:09 AM   #21 
  - Kick!  Dr.Phool   Sep-15-09 08:14 AM   #25 
  - More horsecrap from DU's Democrat-hating, Naderite, Republican-aiding and abetting brigade.  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 08:23 AM   #26 
  - Rahm, is that you?  Myrina   Sep-15-09 09:38 AM   #78 
     - Ralph, is that you?  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 12:14 PM   #109 
  - during the last depression in the 1930s  datasuspect   Sep-15-09 08:35 AM   #35 
  - How does declaring war on Obama help beat back the forces  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 08:42 AM   #40 
  - the issue is bigger than obama  datasuspect   Sep-15-09 08:53 AM   #46 
     - I would support an effective one.  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 08:56 AM   #49 
        - a viable one encompasses an effective one  datasuspect   Sep-15-09 08:59 AM   #55 
           - The one that exists has contempt for the 98% of the country that  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 09:11 AM   #63 
              - you just puked your true colors  datasuspect   Sep-15-09 09:15 AM   #65 
                 - Yes, because I support the fascist Obama.  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 09:24 AM   #68 
                    - i don't think you're even an Obama supporter  datasuspect   Sep-15-09 09:27 AM   #71 
                       - Well, your judgment is Rumsfeldian. nt  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 09:28 AM   #73 
                       - i think you are in over your head  datasuspect   Sep-15-09 09:29 AM   #75 
                       - I haven't seen you post a relevant fact to back  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 01:02 PM   #125 
                       - geek tragedy, I'd really like to see you argue your points instead of resorting to name calling.  bertman   Sep-15-09 10:03 AM   #80 
                          - The other individual accused me of being a paid operative  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 10:26 AM   #82 
                             - why do you persist in ATTEMPTING to put words in other people's mouths?  datasuspect   Sep-15-09 10:29 AM   #84 
                       - i don't think he is either.  Hannah Bell   Sep-15-09 01:30 PM   #148 
  - i suspect that why we have not effective left wing is because  dugaresa   Sep-15-09 11:43 AM   #99 
  - +1  leftstreet   Sep-15-09 03:50 PM   #209 
  - Perhaps  tama   Sep-16-09 02:32 AM   #251 
  - Considering junior's and DC's abysmal ratings as their reign ended, I guess it would have been to  indepat   Sep-15-09 09:07 AM   #60 
  - Rec for Chris Hedges!  Echo In Light   Sep-15-09 09:25 AM   #69 
  - Blah Blah Blah  Butch350   Sep-15-09 10:21 AM   #81 
  - Yep, the left has Teabaggers too.  berni_mccoy   Sep-15-09 10:29 AM   #85 
  - "The right wing is not wrong. It is not the problem. " what a pile of horse shit. this hedges guy  dionysus   Sep-15-09 11:21 AM   #91 
  - How dare you  Kermitt Gribble   Sep-15-09 11:24 AM   #94 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-15-09 12:11 PM   #108 
  - "He is squandering the countrys future with deficits that can never be repaid"  berni_mccoy   Sep-15-09 12:26 PM   #111 
     - This site gets lots of page views from the Obama haters.  geek tragedy   Sep-15-09 01:26 PM   #142 
     - you don't say. i was starting to get that impression myself...  dionysus   Sep-15-09 04:31 PM   #232 
  - Right on brother telling it straight, it is now or we are doomed to the worst. kr nt  ooglymoogly   Sep-15-09 11:32 AM   #97 
  - K&R!!!!!!!!!!!  katandmoon   Sep-15-09 12:01 PM   #102 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Sep-15-09 12:28 PM   #112 
  - Exactly right! The American people know they're getting screwed  Cowpunk   Sep-15-09 12:46 PM   #115 
  - But..but..fighting lost wars and caving to the corporations is good for the party!!  Tierra_y_Libertad   Sep-15-09 12:48 PM   #116 
  - Refute this!!!  Ozymanithrax   Sep-15-09 12:48 PM   #119 
  - Well said. Looks like they can't. They just have hyperbole and rhetoric.  berni_mccoy   Sep-15-09 01:34 PM   #154 
  - vernacular definition of socialism = "welfare state"  Hannah Bell   Sep-15-09 01:42 PM   #157 
  - Excellent Points, n/t.  obamachangetheworld   Sep-15-09 02:25 PM   #171 
  - excellent break down.  dionysus   Sep-15-09 04:29 PM   #231 
  - Just a side note: Sen. Kennedy always regretted not dealing with Nixon.  Deep13   Sep-15-09 01:13 PM   #135 
  - IF OBAMA WERE A CORPORATIST as this article suggests  berni_mccoy   Sep-15-09 01:29 PM   #146 
  - Hmmm  Orwellian_Ghost   Sep-15-09 01:33 PM   #151 
     - That doesn't make him a corporatist.  berni_mccoy   Sep-15-09 01:34 PM   #152 
        - What does that make him in your opinion? n/t  Orwellian_Ghost   Sep-15-09 01:41 PM   #156 
           - Why don't you define the term, because whatever you think it is, isn't what it really is.  berni_mccoy   Sep-15-09 01:50 PM   #158 
              - Words have real meanings.  Ozymanithrax   Sep-15-09 03:22 PM   #188 
              - I'm not redefining the word. The OP is.  berni_mccoy   Sep-15-09 03:29 PM   #192 
              - "Corporatism  tama   Sep-16-09 02:52 AM   #252 
              - Hey that's pretty cool  Orwellian_Ghost   Sep-15-09 04:11 PM   #220 
  - Chris Hedges is a Wanker.  obamachangetheworld   Sep-15-09 02:19 PM   #167 
  - Read his books and get back to us n/t  Echo In Light   Sep-15-09 03:09 PM   #183 
  - LOL?  obamachangetheworld   Sep-15-09 03:46 PM   #205 
  - And you know that how? nt  rhett o rick   Sep-15-09 03:51 PM   #210 
  - I have read some of his stuff onTruthdig, and part of War is a force and seen him on CBC  obamachangetheworld   Sep-15-09 04:06 PM   #217 
  - Hedges is, IMO, spot on about the continued occupations of both Iraq and Afghanistan.  ShortnFiery   Sep-15-09 02:48 PM   #177 
  - The fact that Hedges is such a contentious figure @DU speaks to its dominant moderate registrants  Echo In Light   Sep-15-09 03:08 PM   #182 
     - True, and IMNSHO, "moderate" equates to "corporate" ...  ShortnFiery   Sep-15-09 03:13 PM   #185 
     - And Hedges has been saying  Orwellian_Ghost   Sep-15-09 04:14 PM   #221 
  - K&R.  midnight   Sep-15-09 03:31 PM   #194 
  - Great article  Time for change   Sep-15-09 03:32 PM   #197 
  - I'm giving this a K&R  Neecy   Sep-15-09 03:53 PM   #213 
  - K+55R  inna   Sep-15-09 04:27 PM   #230 
  - its ok to call out this admin but to push that rw is right is pure bs  democracy1st   Sep-15-09 05:24 PM   #240 
  - K&+R  Senator   Sep-15-09 08:12 PM   #242 
  - The OP belongs on Trotskyist Underground, not Democratic Underground  Apollo11   Sep-16-09 05:47 AM   #253 
  - Because you have no legitimate argument against it.  Ulysses_The_Red   Sep-16-09 06:09 AM   #259 
  - Kick for the apoplectic hystericals..  blindpig   Sep-16-09 07:09 AM   #260 
 

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