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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 11:39 PM
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36. Thanks for the additional information, in reading a bit further it appears
that in many cases this particular drug may extend someone's life by months.

Also the biotech companies fought hard for an amendment in the proposed legislation. It would grant them a much longer time period to keep their information from other companies who could develop a "generic" drug, see the data exclusivity amendment.

I agree that we should be able to negotiate better prices for drugs, maybe that is just the American way.


http://stanford.wellsphere.com/healthcare-industry-poli...

"...It was originally approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration in February of 2004 when a prospective clinical trial involving metastatic colon cancer patients showed Avastin increased survival from 15.6 to 20.3 months. It’s since been approved by the FDA for most types of lung cancer and for metastatic breast cancer. Avastin is NOT approved by the FDA for treatment of brain cancer gliomas, but it is widely used ‘off-label’ for a variety of kinds of cancers.

...Far be it from the DMCB to ‘price’ a living human being, but $90K is a lot of money for progression free or disease free survival that is typically measured in months. That’s true whether health insurers want to keep that money as a return on equity for their investors - or to make not-for-profit health insurance(where I worked)as affordable as possible."


From the comments section...

http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/20...

"...Now, I know some people fear that without the guaranteed huge profits, biopharma might not make the bold investments to keeping expanding the envelope on health care, medications, cures. Before you view Avastin as some magic pill, know that its median benefit is to extend life by 4 months. I told that to my mom, in thinking about my father who died of CRC. "Four months? that's not long at all." And yet we'll pay 10,000s for the drug. The NHS made the calculation: the benefit does not exceed the cost. When the FDA grants a pharma co. the license, they're just saying, "Yes, your drug does marginally more good than harm, so you may sell it if you want." But it doesn't say, when granting you the license, "and, it's good deal." That's something we can't be afraid of answering. Because a mere 5 years ago, this drug did not exist, and we still functioned as a society..."


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  -"Health is a basic right in France. In America, it's a market." .... slipslidingaway  Sep-13-09 02:39 PM   #0 
  - Wouldn't it be better to gut them and take the immediate hit?  aquart   Sep-13-09 02:42 PM   #1 
  - Yes, there would be provisions to minimize and retrain workers and Yes. n/t  slipslidingaway   Sep-13-09 02:48 PM   #5 
  - Even IBM's own commercials say how France's health care system is SMART  Deja Q   Sep-13-09 02:42 PM   #2 
  - Nice :) n/t  slipslidingaway   Sep-13-09 02:49 PM   #6 
  - America is run by the dreaded Ferrenghi  divideandconquer   Sep-13-09 02:51 PM   #7 
  - If France keeps this up they will no doubt end up in the dustbin  HysteryDiagnosis   Sep-13-09 02:43 PM   #3 
  - Americans certainly do believe what they are sold ....  slipslidingaway   Sep-13-09 02:54 PM   #8 
  - I think the more unsettling group is made up of the gullible ones  RufusTFirefly   Sep-13-09 03:10 PM   #15 
  - America makes money out of everything that moves  Rosa Luxemburg   Sep-13-09 02:48 PM   #4 
  - Yes, it's wonderful :(( n/t  slipslidingaway   Sep-13-09 02:55 PM   #9 
  - Or anyone who is ill. n/t  HysteryDiagnosis   Sep-13-09 03:05 PM   #11 
  - Weil's points are all so apt  suffragette   Sep-13-09 03:01 PM   #10 
  - With rivers of blood on the other side :( n/t  slipslidingaway   Sep-13-09 03:07 PM   #12 
     - Sad, but true  suffragette   Sep-13-09 03:08 PM   #13 
  - In a culture that now regards vampires as 'heroes' the ghoulish capitalists reign.  TahitiNut   Sep-13-09 03:08 PM   #14 
  - They sure do...more for Swamp Rat to illustrate :) n/t  slipslidingaway   Sep-13-09 03:21 PM   #17 
  - knr. we have yet to address healthcare as a moral issue....  nightrain   Sep-13-09 03:20 PM   #16 
  - Absolutely. Progressives and the left need to reclaim the idea of morality  RufusTFirefly   Sep-13-09 03:28 PM   #19 
  - Agreed ! n/t  slipslidingaway   Sep-13-09 04:56 PM   #28 
  - U.N. figures rank France first in health care (United States is 37th, just above Cuba)  keep_it_real   Sep-13-09 03:25 PM   #18 
  - Sorry, but in Murica, faith always trumps fact  RufusTFirefly   Sep-13-09 03:30 PM   #20 
  - Sad to say, but it also goes over the head of most Democrats :( n/t  slipslidingaway   Sep-13-09 04:57 PM   #29 
  - Was healthcare ever a market in France like in the U.S.?  keep_it_real   Sep-13-09 03:39 PM   #21 
  - The French system was essentially built up from the ashes of World War 2.  Selatius   Sep-13-09 04:30 PM   #23 
     - Yes, much of the  Libertas1776   Sep-13-09 04:38 PM   #26 
  - I talked with my French relatives about healthcare, the Extra they pay for beyond taxes  uppityperson   Sep-13-09 04:25 PM   #22 
  - What a difference...thanks n/t  slipslidingaway   Sep-13-09 04:59 PM   #30 
     - I'd been wondering about the supplimental they could buy  uppityperson   Sep-13-09 05:02 PM   #32 
        - My relatives in the UK buy private insurance in addition to the NHS...  slipslidingaway   Sep-13-09 05:10 PM   #34 
  - K&R.  David Zephyr   Sep-13-09 04:38 PM   #24 
  - Exactly...that is the debate. n/t  slipslidingaway   Sep-13-09 05:00 PM   #31 
  - K&R.  David Zephyr   Sep-13-09 04:38 PM   #25 
  - In America, it's a RACKET! (nt)  jtrockville   Sep-13-09 04:44 PM   #27 
  - Correct, guess the author wanted to be generous :( n/t  slipslidingaway   Sep-13-09 05:02 PM   #33 
  - How much does Avastin cost the French government purchaser  exboyfil   Sep-13-09 05:58 PM   #35 
     - Thanks for the additional information, in reading a bit further it appears  slipslidingaway   Sep-13-09 11:39 PM   #36 
 

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