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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 05:38 PM
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68. You Continue, Sir, To Ignore The Difference In The Stakes
My grandsons routinely ruin window-screens; we repair them, but it is a trifle of little importance, the flies get in in summer-time anyway.

Even broken plumbing can be lived around for a while, while one assesses the prices and competence of various tradesmen.

Get that vivid line leading up the leg from a cut gone septic near the ball of an ankle, perceived through a haze of pain, and the stake is limb or life, and there is no time to waste in investigating prices.
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  -The Real Problem with Health care Nederland  Sep-10-09 02:19 PM   #0 
  - That's the same bullshit argument the insurance company used against me  Zoeisright   Sep-10-09 02:25 PM   #1 
  - Response  Nederland   Sep-10-09 02:33 PM   #4 
     - In other words, the insurance company was correct to dick you around because apparently  Raineyb   Sep-10-09 02:51 PM   #9 
     - I have no idea what you are saying  Nederland   Sep-10-09 04:05 PM   #42 
     - Source on the 1.7 million? That's $34,000 a year assuming you work until 72.  Carl Skan   Sep-10-09 02:59 PM   #13 
     - Link  Nederland   Sep-10-09 04:02 PM   #40 
     - He was TWENTY FIVE YEARS OLD when diagnosed.  Zoeisright   Sep-10-09 04:17 PM   #45 
     - You are making bad assumptions  Nederland   Sep-10-09 04:33 PM   #51 
     - What a stupid response.  Zoeisright   Sep-10-09 04:21 PM   #47 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-10-09 04:34 PM   #52 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-10-09 04:35 PM   #53 
  - So what?  Raineyb   Sep-10-09 02:28 PM   #2 
  - Response  Nederland   Sep-10-09 02:40 PM   #6 
     - No it's not an unrealistic attitude. It's the same attitude other countries use  Raineyb   Sep-10-09 02:49 PM   #8 
     - It is reality  Nederland   Sep-10-09 02:56 PM   #11 
        - What the hell does that have to do with your ridiculous argument that the problem  Raineyb   Sep-10-09 03:05 PM   #14 
           - That is not my argument  Nederland   Sep-10-09 03:38 PM   #31 
              - Then I don't know what your issue is with single payer. People paying out of pocket for medical  Raineyb   Sep-10-09 03:56 PM   #39 
                 - Not all health care is emergency care  Nederland   Sep-10-09 04:44 PM   #56 
                    - Most Of the Expensive Stuff Is, Sir, An Emergency, Or An Urgent Requirement  The Magistrate   Sep-10-09 04:55 PM   #62 
                    - I'm not being clear  Nederland   Sep-10-09 05:11 PM   #64 
                       - You Are Quite Clear, Sir: You Are Plumping For Gingrich's 'Medical Savings Accounts' Swindle  The Magistrate   Sep-10-09 05:25 PM   #66 
                          - Not really  Nederland   Sep-10-09 05:31 PM   #67 
                             - You Continue, Sir, To Ignore The Difference In The Stakes  The Magistrate   Sep-10-09 05:38 PM   #68 
                                - In the long run, people will alter their behavior  Nederland   Sep-10-09 06:02 PM   #70 
                                   - So, Sir, You Have Had A Welcome To the Real World Of This  The Magistrate   Sep-10-09 07:29 PM   #75 
                                      - You make no sense sir  Nederland   Sep-10-09 07:42 PM   #77 
                                         - It Is Not Me Who Makes No Sense, Sir  The Magistrate   Sep-10-09 07:53 PM   #78 
                                            - You do not understand, Sir  Nederland   Sep-10-09 08:02 PM   #79 
                                               - The Disbursing Authority, Sir, Always Cares How Much It Pays Out  The Magistrate   Sep-10-09 08:11 PM   #81 
                                               - You keep saying there is no benefit, Sir, and you are wrong  Nederland   Sep-10-09 08:23 PM   #83 
                                               - You Are a Devotee of An Economic View, Sir  The Magistrate   Sep-10-09 08:45 PM   #84 
                                               - I have Evidence, Sir, not Dogma  Nederland   Sep-10-09 09:00 PM   #85 
                                               - Not Really, Sir  The Magistrate   Sep-10-09 09:24 PM   #87 
                                               - It's size works against it, Sir  Nederland   Sep-10-09 09:59 PM   #88 
                                               - Your problem seems to be that you view health care as a commodity not unlike  Raineyb   Sep-10-09 10:43 PM   #93 
                                               - That is a dogmatic argument  Nederland   Sep-10-09 11:15 PM   #101 
                                               - Since You Are Pressing a Dogmatic Argument, Sir, You Forfeit That Ground Of Objection  The Magistrate   Sep-10-09 11:47 PM   #107 
                                               - That is not true  Nederland   Sep-11-09 12:14 AM   #110 
                                               - No, Sir, It Assists On Several Levels  The Magistrate   Sep-10-09 10:52 PM   #95 
                                               - You argument flies in the face of the facts, Sir  Nederland   Sep-10-09 11:11 PM   #100 
                                               - No, Sir, It Does Not  The Magistrate   Sep-10-09 11:42 PM   #105 
                                               - You are not speaking of the difference between the systems, Sir  Nederland   Sep-11-09 12:06 AM   #109 
                                               - Are You Seriously Pressing This Further, Sir?  The Magistrate   Sep-11-09 12:26 AM   #112 
                                               - You misunderstand me sir  Nederland   Sep-11-09 12:37 AM   #114 
                                               - That Is Simply One Of Many Reasons, Sir  The Magistrate   Sep-11-09 12:45 AM   #116 
                                               - Let us consider the others then, Sir  Nederland   Sep-11-09 01:08 AM   #121 
                                               - It is Not My Custom, Sir, To Often Repeat, But a Reminder Of No. 95 Seems Warranted Here  The Magistrate   Sep-11-09 01:19 AM   #123 
                                               - You are correct, Sir  Nederland   Sep-11-09 02:11 AM   #126 
                                               - You have Made No Demonstration, Sir, That The Difference In Size Of the Social Units Means Nothing  The Magistrate   Sep-11-09 02:23 AM   #127 
                                               - The burden of proof is on you, Sir  Nederland   Sep-11-09 08:35 AM   #130 
                                               - That Is A Very Tired Wheeze, Sir, And Will Impress No One  The Magistrate   Sep-11-09 01:47 PM   #133 
                                               - A simple question, Sir  Nederland   Sep-11-09 02:56 PM   #134 
                                               - You Have My Thanks, Sir, For Re-Posting My Material  The Magistrate   Sep-11-09 03:17 PM   #135 
                                               - You run from the argument, Sir  Nederland   Sep-11-09 05:54 PM   #137 
                    - Loans? So you think on top of the illness and the expenses needed to care for that  Raineyb   Sep-10-09 10:32 PM   #90 
                       - Read post #64  Nederland   Sep-10-09 10:40 PM   #92 
                          - What you're proposing does not work and frankly is rather  Raineyb   Sep-10-09 10:45 PM   #94 
                             - It does work  Nederland   Sep-10-09 11:06 PM   #99 
     - Response  Zoeisright   Sep-10-09 04:25 PM   #49 
     - Yeah. That's why all Europeans are dead now. Not enough HC resouces to go around...  elehhhhna   Sep-10-09 04:38 PM   #55 
        - Not sure what you are talking about  Nederland   Sep-10-09 04:46 PM   #58 
           - honey, you don't even know what YOU'RE talking about.  elehhhhna   Sep-10-09 04:58 PM   #63 
              - Oh but I do  Nederland   Sep-10-09 06:14 PM   #72 
                 - No you're not. You're talking about making sure people can't afford it.  Raineyb   Sep-11-09 12:38 AM   #115 
  - The countries that have it seem to like it plenty.  phantom power   Sep-10-09 02:28 PM   #3 
  - Yes they do  Nederland   Sep-10-09 02:53 PM   #10 
     - Interesting. Still, a single-payer scenario has its own feedback facilities...  phantom power   Sep-10-09 03:25 PM   #26 
        - Response  Nederland   Sep-10-09 03:49 PM   #36 
  - There needs to be some responsibility on the part of the patient. BUT, once profit is taken out of  T Wolf   Sep-10-09 02:36 PM   #5 
  - You can never remove money from the equation  Nederland   Sep-10-09 02:47 PM   #7 
     - Profit, Sir, is Hardly the Sum Of It  The Magistrate   Sep-10-09 02:57 PM   #12 
        - Very true  Nederland   Sep-10-09 03:35 PM   #29 
           - Demand For That, Sir, is Infinite Whatever It Costs  The Magistrate   Sep-10-09 03:39 PM   #32 
              - Exactly  Nederland   Sep-10-09 03:55 PM   #37 
                 - There Is No Point To This Line, Sir  The Magistrate   Sep-10-09 04:03 PM   #41 
                    - That's just plain wrong  Nederland   Sep-10-09 04:09 PM   #43 
                       - Do You Imagine, Sir, That Money is Evenly Distributed Among Some Three Hundred Million Individuals?  The Magistrate   Sep-10-09 04:16 PM   #44 
                          - Sorry  Nederland   Sep-10-09 04:37 PM   #54 
                             - That Hardly Counts As a Pilot Project, Sir, On the Scale We Are Discussing  The Magistrate   Sep-10-09 04:53 PM   #61 
                                - See post #64 (nt)  Nederland   Sep-10-09 05:12 PM   #65 
  - If You Are Trying Cold, Sir, Try This: Your Infertility Expenses Are Wholly, Absolutely Optional  The Magistrate   Sep-10-09 03:06 PM   #15 
  - The "ordinary receipt of taxes"  Carl Skan   Sep-10-09 03:08 PM   #16 
  - Governments Do Tend To Operate At a Deficit, Sir  The Magistrate   Sep-10-09 03:11 PM   #17 
     - You're right  Carl Skan   Sep-10-09 03:15 PM   #20 
        - China, Sir, Cannot Wound Us Without Grievous Harm To Itself  The Magistrate   Sep-10-09 03:17 PM   #21 
           - Do you realize you have just turned over a billion people into our slaves?  Carl Skan   Sep-10-09 03:18 PM   #22 
           - Not My Problem, Sir: The Structure Of Things Is What It Is  The Magistrate   Sep-10-09 03:21 PM   #23 
              - And you Sir, in your extremely well thought out future see no change to that  Carl Skan   Sep-10-09 03:25 PM   #27 
                 - What Do You Know Of the Fate Of Future Generations, Sir?  The Magistrate   Sep-10-09 03:36 PM   #30 
                    - Oh, it is?  Carl Skan   Sep-10-09 03:42 PM   #34 
                       - You May Well, Sir, Be Making Your Own Contribution To That  The Magistrate   Sep-10-09 03:46 PM   #35 
           - BTW, China itself is adopting a single payer system starting in January if I remember correctly.  Raineyb   Sep-10-09 03:22 PM   #25 
              - Yes, they're working back that way  Carl Skan   Sep-10-09 03:30 PM   #28 
  - THANK you.  Zoeisright   Sep-10-09 04:19 PM   #46 
  - Hey you better knock it off with your smart rationalizing and stuff around here.  cbdo2007   Sep-10-09 03:13 PM   #18 
  - There is much truth in what you say.  Laelth   Sep-10-09 03:14 PM   #19 
  - Everytime I have gone to the doctor I was the customer  lefthandedlefty   Sep-10-09 03:22 PM   #24 
  - I disagree  TxRider   Sep-10-09 03:39 PM   #33 
  - How do you pay for a right  Nederland   Sep-10-09 03:56 PM   #38 
     - That's what's done in a single payer system.  Lucy Goosey   Sep-10-09 04:22 PM   #48 
     - You are correct  Nederland   Sep-10-09 06:12 PM   #71 
        - Supply doesn't "far outstrip" demand in Canada  Lucy Goosey   Sep-10-09 06:48 PM   #74 
           - Sure it does  Nederland   Sep-10-09 07:33 PM   #76 
              - The Fraser Institute is a right wing think tank,  Lucy Goosey   Sep-10-09 08:09 PM   #80 
              - Their data comes from the government itself (nt)  Nederland   Sep-10-09 09:14 PM   #86 
              - The Study, Sir, Seems To Mix Apples And Oranges  The Magistrate   Sep-10-09 08:18 PM   #82 
                 - Fair enough, Sir  Nederland   Sep-10-09 10:38 PM   #91 
                    - What Do You Imagine This Proves, Sir?  The Magistrate   Sep-10-09 11:36 PM   #103 
                       - I imagine it proves that shortages of supply have existed in Canada, Sir (nt)  Nederland   Sep-11-09 12:16 AM   #111 
                          - They Exist Here, Sir: They Exist Everywhere, And Must, Given The Nature Of The Demand  The Magistrate   Sep-11-09 12:36 AM   #113 
                             - Then we are in agreement, Sir  Nederland   Sep-11-09 12:47 AM   #118 
                                - Not Really, Sir, Because Your Comments Go Beyond That  The Magistrate   Sep-11-09 12:59 AM   #119 
                                   - If I did suggest that, it was unintentional, Sir  Nederland   Sep-11-09 01:14 AM   #122 
                                      - Fair Enough, Sir  The Magistrate   Sep-11-09 01:22 AM   #124 
     - Well..  TxRider   Sep-10-09 04:25 PM   #50 
     - And I hope that your father  Zoeisright   Sep-10-09 04:46 PM   #57 
     - Thank you (nt)  Nederland   Sep-10-09 04:47 PM   #59 
        - You're welcome. Cancer is very hard.  Zoeisright   Sep-10-09 04:49 PM   #60 
     - Demand is infinite?  lumberjack_jeff   Sep-10-09 10:54 PM   #98 
        - You're confusing two different concepts  Nederland   Sep-10-09 11:46 PM   #106 
           - Demand may be inelastic, but it is not infinite. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Sep-11-09 09:04 AM   #131 
  - Another argument from the spokesman for the "I've got mine, fuck you" faction.  Greyhound   Sep-10-09 05:50 PM   #69 
  - Did you even read the whole post?  Nederland   Sep-10-09 06:20 PM   #73 
  - Healthcare is a right, not a commodity. You do what is necessary and find a way to pay for it.  Odin2005   Sep-10-09 10:24 PM   #89 
  - This OP  Cleita   Sep-10-09 10:54 PM   #97 
  - I never claimed that Health Care is a commodity  Nederland   Sep-10-09 11:41 PM   #104 
     - If you are willing to state that it's not a commodity why do you insist on treating it like one  Raineyb   Sep-11-09 12:47 AM   #117 
  - You again. Remember when you said we shouldn't have Social Security either  Cleita   Sep-10-09 10:52 PM   #96 
  - Rec'd for being different  Kaleva   Sep-10-09 11:23 PM   #102 
  - An example of not having to pay out of pocket  Kaleva   Sep-10-09 11:48 PM   #108 
  - Good post but I got dizzy reading it  DeadEyeDyck   Sep-11-09 01:06 AM   #120 
  - Excuse me, why are you ignoring the elephant standing on your foot?  Fozzledick   Sep-11-09 01:22 AM   #125 
  - Medicare has it's own cost problems  Kaleva   Sep-11-09 08:35 AM   #129 
     - Do you have to get prior approval from an insurance company for each furnace you deliver?  Fozzledick   Sep-11-09 12:45 PM   #132 
  - Bullshit. What insurance company is paying you to post this?  Mind_your_head   Sep-11-09 02:26 AM   #128 
  - By your own logic, you don't deserve fertility treatments  supernova   Sep-11-09 03:43 PM   #136 
 

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