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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 03:53 PM
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70. No, you do not HAVE to try.
Sometimes babies are born way too early. That is the painful truth.

There has to be a cut off where people say, "Enough. This is ridiculous."

I would never have put my a baby through that if s/he had been born at 21 weeks. That is selfishness.
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  -'Doctors told me it was against the rules to save my premature baby' (UK) Craftsman  Sep-10-09 12:44 PM   #0 
  - how often is this bs going to be repeated?  niyad   Sep-10-09 12:46 PM   #1 
  - only to put the NHS in a bad light to Americans  Rosa Luxemburg   Sep-10-09 12:48 PM   #4 
  - This is from a London newspaper  Craftsman   Sep-10-09 12:51 PM   #7 
     - It's from the Daily Fail.  LeftyMom   Sep-10-09 12:51 PM   #9 
     - but they are highlighting it here too  Rosa Luxemburg   Sep-10-09 12:57 PM   #16 
        - Who is? Anonymous posters on political message boards?  blondeatlast   Sep-10-09 01:07 PM   #26 
     - In the UK, they call the Mail a "fishwrap" because that what it is most useful for.  blondeatlast   Sep-10-09 01:06 PM   #24 
     - If by "newspaper" you mean "disreputable tabloid", then sure...  redqueen   Sep-10-09 04:00 PM   #73 
  - As long as anti-choice trolls who can't understand medical  msanthrope   Sep-10-09 12:51 PM   #10 
  - Of course there are always some conditions that can't be treated  stray cat   Sep-10-09 12:47 PM   #2 
  - doctors don't generally do that there  Rosa Luxemburg   Sep-10-09 12:48 PM   #3 
  - I came with in a whisker of being in the same boat  Craftsman   Sep-10-09 12:49 PM   #5 
  - How close to full term were your babies?  Contrary1   Sep-10-09 01:17 PM   #39 
     - She almost had then at 21 weeks and 3 days, the doctors were able to stop labor  Craftsman   Sep-10-09 01:24 PM   #44 
        - That's wonderful!  Contrary1   Sep-10-09 01:31 PM   #47 
  - Those docs failed hard at reading their own guidelines  Posteritatis   Sep-10-09 12:49 PM   #6 
  - You do know that citing the Daily Mail is  enlightenment   Sep-10-09 12:51 PM   #8 
  - What, you don't read the "Femail" section daily? Today they  msanthrope   Sep-10-09 12:57 PM   #17 
     - You bet.  enlightenment   Sep-10-09 01:56 PM   #55 
  - That's a very slanted article.  surrealAmerican   Sep-10-09 12:52 PM   #11 
  - They might have done everything humanly possible, but there was nothing  hedgehog   Sep-10-09 01:00 PM   #19 
  - It's the brain bleeds that make me shudder, as well. They are just not ready to be born At All. nt  Hekate   Sep-10-09 07:20 PM   #81 
  - Closer to 5 months premature actually.  Crunchy Frog   Sep-10-09 01:36 PM   #51 
  - 23 years old, 5 year old daughter and 5 miscarriages  Howardx   Sep-10-09 12:52 PM   #12 
  - The question is, what did doctors tell her after the second miscarriage, or the third?  hedgehog   Sep-10-09 01:13 PM   #35 
     - 23 years old pregnant 7 times already  Howardx   Sep-10-09 01:59 PM   #57 
     - Exactly. Something is incomplete about this story. nt  Hekate   Sep-10-09 06:55 PM   #78 
  - Good thing these types of situations never happen with the saintly American insurance companies.  jobycom   Sep-10-09 12:52 PM   #13 
  - Yeah--I wonder how many times Insurance companies here refuse to pay  librechik   Sep-10-09 12:54 PM   #15 
     - I do not know about other states but in TX once born you are a person  Craftsman   Sep-10-09 01:04 PM   #22 
        - how many week s old were they? 36 wk preemies have an excellent chance of survival  librechik   Sep-10-09 01:09 PM   #29 
        - So completely untrue. Texas Has "Death Panels"  sandnsea   Sep-10-09 01:20 PM   #42 
        - "IF your folks have insurance." Big if. Glad your twins are okay, though. nt  Hekate   Sep-10-09 06:41 PM   #76 
  - Yay! Let's demand an inalienable right to FUTILE TREATMENT!  Lance_Boyle   Sep-10-09 12:53 PM   #14 
  - Not always futile  Craftsman   Sep-10-09 12:58 PM   #18 
     - The odds are 99 to 1 against for a child this young.  hedgehog   Sep-10-09 01:10 PM   #30 
     - The odds were in that range when I was born too  Posteritatis   Sep-10-09 01:25 PM   #45 
     - Doing a quick search, it appears that 24 weeks is really pretty much the limit  hedgehog   Sep-10-09 03:09 PM   #67 
        - Yeah, that's about what I'd heard  Posteritatis   Sep-10-09 03:20 PM   #68 
           - It might be better to do research into why babies are born prematurely -  hedgehog   Sep-10-09 03:50 PM   #69 
              - Also definitely true! (nt)  Posteritatis   Sep-10-09 03:57 PM   #71 
     - More like 9,999,999 to one. If it's even a real story, which I doubt.  Maru Kitteh   Sep-10-09 03:00 PM   #65 
     - no offense, but you need to document that claim or quit spouting it  Lance_Boyle   Sep-10-09 01:11 PM   #32 
     - He can't.  LeftyMom   Sep-10-09 01:14 PM   #36 
     - No, they haven't.  LeftyMom   Sep-10-09 01:11 PM   #34 
     - I know of one single documented case of a baby surviving  Crunchy Frog   Sep-10-09 02:21 PM   #62 
  - No child has ever survived being born that early, in any country, ever.  LeftyMom   Sep-10-09 01:02 PM   #20 
  - James Elgin Gill--21 weeks and 5 days  Old Hob   Sep-10-09 01:59 PM   #58 
  - I clarified that elsewhere on the thread.  LeftyMom   Sep-10-09 02:04 PM   #59 
  - Survival Rates At This Stage, Sir, Are Zero Under Present Medical Abilities  The Magistrate   Sep-10-09 01:04 PM   #21 
  - Tell that to TX Childrens Hospital, they have had it happen last year  Craftsman   Sep-10-09 01:07 PM   #25 
     - prove it. n/t  Lance_Boyle   Sep-10-09 01:11 PM   #33 
     - You Are Going To Have To Back That Claim Up, Sir  The Magistrate   Sep-10-09 01:15 PM   #37 
     - I checked the Texas Children's Hospital site - there is no reference to a child  hedgehog   Sep-10-09 01:32 PM   #48 
     - And There Would Be, Ma'am: It Would Have Made National News, People Everywhere Would Recall It  The Magistrate   Sep-10-09 01:34 PM   #49 
     - And how is that child now?  Kceres   Sep-10-09 01:34 PM   #50 
        - That child never existed. The poster is misinformed. nt.  Mariana   Sep-10-09 02:35 PM   #64 
  - The Daily Mail? A rightwing tabloid  sabrina 1   Sep-10-09 01:06 PM   #23 
  - Some of the idiot comments to the article...  Contrary1   Sep-10-09 01:07 PM   #27 
  - 5 1/4 months gestation is not viable except perhaps with terribly expensive heroics.  kestrel91316   Sep-10-09 01:08 PM   #28 
  - So when you can save the life even if in a rare instance do not try?  Craftsman   Sep-10-09 01:10 PM   #31 
     - How much are you, personally, willing to pay?  Barack_America   Sep-10-09 01:15 PM   #38 
     - That Has A Nice Ring To It, Sir, But It Is Utterly, Brutally Meaningless  The Magistrate   Sep-10-09 01:18 PM   #40 
     - I think it's wrong to put this into terms of the money to be spent or saved.  hedgehog   Sep-10-09 01:19 PM   #41 
        - There is no way you can defend not even trying to save this live  Craftsman   Sep-10-09 01:37 PM   #52 
           - Even if it means a life of pain and suffering for the child?  Kceres   Sep-10-09 01:46 PM   #53 
           - Nonesense, Sir  The Magistrate   Sep-10-09 01:46 PM   #54 
           - Take this situation to the other end of life -  hedgehog   Sep-10-09 03:06 PM   #66 
           - No, you do not HAVE to try.  Arugula Latte   Sep-10-09 03:53 PM   #70 
           - You're taking a lot of heat here, and I'd like you to know that I'm sympathetic  hedgehog   Sep-10-09 03:57 PM   #72 
  - Think about it--if she were getting an abortion, it wouldn't even be called late term  librechik   Sep-10-09 01:23 PM   #43 
  - Technically so, probably because it is so rare for survival if born this soon.  hedgehog   Sep-10-09 05:46 PM   #74 
  - Babies that early are simply not viable.  Crunchy Frog   Sep-10-09 01:29 PM   #46 
  - Stop using the Daily Fail as a news source...it is a right-wing rag..  truebrit71   Sep-10-09 01:57 PM   #56 
  - World record: 21 weeks, 6 days  muriel_volestrangler   Sep-10-09 02:04 PM   #60 
  - Actually there's one who was born earlier than her  LeftyMom   Sep-10-09 02:09 PM   #61 
  - Exactly -- good point --abovearticle gives the time SINCE CONCEPTION, not the Gestational Age, which  kath   Sep-10-09 07:55 PM   #83 
  - This also shows us where the 22 weeks guideline comes from: the Nuffield Council on Bioethics  muriel_volestrangler   Sep-10-09 02:21 PM   #63 
     - Thanks for this - these guidelines are deliberated upon w/ great care, considering medical  kath   Sep-10-09 07:57 PM   #84 
  - Two points here  LeftishBrit   Sep-10-09 05:50 PM   #75 
  - I would bet there's a whole lot more to this story. Five 1/4 months is extremely unready...  Hekate   Sep-10-09 06:53 PM   #77 
  - I just had a 24 weeker.  holiday   Sep-10-09 07:05 PM   #79 
  - Thank goodness your little one made it.  Barack_America   Sep-10-09 07:09 PM   #80 
  - not all miscarriages occur in the first trimester n/t  SoCalDem   Sep-10-09 07:29 PM   #82 
  - So, the motivation for highlighting this event so many times is to make people say,  Quantess   Sep-10-09 08:03 PM   #85 
  - Read the post ..  gleaner   Sep-10-09 08:15 PM   #86 
 

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