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Thu Sep-10-09 08:57 AM
Response to Reply #10 |
| 16. whether I want to be under his command is not the point |
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he cannot be court martialed
if his troops are all reich-wingers, he will be as effective as ever.
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| -Colonel (US Army Reserves) Joe Wilson: Conduct Unbecoming an Officer. |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-10-09 08:38 AM |
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Obama is his Commander in Chief?? |
kentuck |
Sep-10-09 08:39 AM |
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Yes, what Colonel Joe Wilson did was IMO, "Conduct Unbecoming" - fits to a tee. |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-10-09 08:45 AM |
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Unless he was on active duty orders |
FLDCVADem |
Sep-10-09 08:49 AM |
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No, that doesn't apply to officers. He's insulted OUR Commander in Chief and it |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-10-09 08:56 AM |
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No, I wouldn't want to serve under him |
FLDCVADem |
Sep-10-09 08:58 AM |
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He could be disciplined and suspended by senior officers, conduct unbecoming |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-10-09 10:28 AM |
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Reservists are not subject to the UCMJ |
FLDCVADem |
Sep-10-09 10:39 AM |
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As long as they are not separated from the military (discharged), "conduct unbecoming" applies |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-10-09 10:43 AM |
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You need to read the link I posted down thread |
FLDCVADem |
Sep-10-09 10:48 AM |
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I did, but I disagree. |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-10-09 10:50 AM |
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If you had read the link |
FLDCVADem |
Sep-10-09 11:20 AM |
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Jesus Christ, is being RIGHT the end-all for you ?!? I want him, at a minimum DISCIPLINED. |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-10-09 11:32 AM |
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Not so. He is a commissioned officer, in or out of uniform. |
MNDemNY |
Sep-10-09 10:10 AM |
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Reservists are not subject to the UCMJ |
FLDCVADem |
Sep-10-09 10:40 AM |
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"Court martial the Family Values jerk. Smirk." - xCommander AWOL (R) |
SpiralHawk |
Sep-10-09 08:40 AM |
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was he on orders? |
DrDan |
Sep-10-09 08:40 AM |
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No, as "An officer" I was expected to behave with HIGHER moral standards, IN or OUT of uniform. |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-10-09 08:50 AM |
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You need to stop focusing |
FLDCVADem |
Sep-10-09 08:54 AM |
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You need to focus on "An Officer." He can NOT now lead troops. eom |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-10-09 08:55 AM |
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Bullshit |
FLDCVADem |
Sep-10-09 08:57 AM |
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that is a separate issue - you are calling for a court martial - which is not warranted |
DrDan |
Sep-10-09 08:59 AM |
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I'm calling for, at a minimum, suspension and forced separation. |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-10-09 10:53 AM |
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well - it is the case |
DrDan |
Sep-10-09 10:58 AM |
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I was an officer also - both on active duty and in the reserves |
DrDan |
Sep-10-09 08:58 AM |
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In or out of uniform, yes |
FLDCVADem |
Sep-10-09 08:41 AM |
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exactly - as a former reservist/active-duty vet I agree |
DrDan |
Sep-10-09 08:45 AM |
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Officers have been tried and convicted, reserve or AD. He can't lead troops any more. |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-10-09 08:52 AM |
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Give a single example of a reserve officer |
FLDCVADem |
Sep-10-09 08:56 AM |
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Here ya go. |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-10-09 09:10 AM |
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Invalid |
FLDCVADem |
Sep-10-09 09:20 AM |
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What part of "Commissioned Officer" of the discussion, in or out of uniform/activated , ... |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-10-09 10:35 AM |
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And what part of |
FLDCVADem |
Sep-10-09 10:41 AM |
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If a Officer reservist "robs a bank" and is convicted, what makes you think that his superior will |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-10-09 10:45 AM |
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I share your passion and outrage, |
dgibby |
Sep-10-09 11:31 AM |
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Thank-you. That was the most thoughtful dressing-down and I appreciate it. |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-10-09 11:43 AM |
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whether I want to be under his command is not the point |
DrDan |
Sep-10-09 08:57 AM |
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I made the same point up thread |
FLDCVADem |
Sep-10-09 08:59 AM |
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exactly - 20 yrs U.S.A.F. - both active and reserves |
DrDan |
Sep-10-09 09:01 AM |
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Did you serve in the Officer Corps? And gee, you were in the Air Force? |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-10-09 09:13 AM |
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I certainly did |
DrDan |
Sep-10-09 09:14 AM |
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Well DrDan, I believe that many of us veterans from the Army and Marine Corps |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-10-09 10:31 AM |
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seems as though I remember a navy incident . . . .tail hook? |
DrDan |
Sep-10-09 10:47 AM |
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He should be FORCED to retire. eom |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-10-09 10:48 AM |
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on what grounds? His behavior was while NOT on orders for active duty |
DrDan |
Sep-10-09 10:50 AM |
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no grounds |
DrDan |
Sep-10-09 10:52 AM |
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Of course there's grounds, he insulted his "Commander in Chief" and can no longer |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-10-09 10:55 AM |
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you are wrong - sorry - rules are different for reserves vs active duty |
DrDan |
Sep-10-09 11:01 AM |
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"Conduct unbecoming an officer" - UCMJ applies to OFFICERS ONLY (enlisted and warrant). eom |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-10-09 10:41 AM |
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his behavior does not apply - not on active duty eom |
DrDan |
Sep-10-09 10:51 AM |
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There are ways that Joe Wilson still can be disciplined: Fitness Report could force him out. |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-10-09 11:16 AM |
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You forget - Joe wilson is "an officer." When you're commissioned, your private life is |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-10-09 08:54 AM |
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It's different for reservists |
FLDCVADem |
Sep-10-09 09:01 AM |
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In or out of uniform if anyone SUSPECTED he had sucked one d*ck |
HillWilliam |
Sep-10-09 11:42 AM |
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Isn't there something in UCMJ about "contemptious words toward the President" too? |
strategery blunder |
Sep-10-09 08:49 AM |
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When active duty or on active duty orders |
FLDCVADem |
Sep-10-09 09:02 AM |
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Bullshit! An Army Captain (not activated) was SUSPENDED for posting a racist email. An officer ... |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-10-09 09:14 AM |
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Invalid |
FLDCVADem |
Sep-10-09 09:21 AM |
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Not INVALID: applies to the military OFFICER CORPS (AD, Reserve or NG). It's pertinent and apt. |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-10-09 10:33 AM |
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Please read this link |
FLDCVADem |
Sep-10-09 10:44 AM |
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OFFICER is the key word. Enlisted are not charged with "conduct unbecoming and officer" |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-10-09 10:46 AM |
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And you obviously didn't read the link |
FLDCVADem |
Sep-10-09 10:51 AM |
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He still can be DISCIPLINED. Instead of trying to score points, admit that his superiors |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-10-09 10:57 AM |
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Not trying to score points, trying to inform the ignorant |
FLDCVADem |
Sep-10-09 11:05 AM |
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Thanks for the personal insult. I'm talking about discipline, like what Rumsfeld |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-10-09 11:14 AM |
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Then I suggest you contact your Congressman |
FLDCVADem |
Sep-10-09 11:23 AM |
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You're hilarious. |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-10-09 11:24 AM |
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No wonder we cant win a war. Wilson is a fool. nt |
Joey Liberal |
Sep-10-09 09:07 AM |
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Start with Article 88: Contempt |
margotb822 |
Sep-10-09 10:32 AM |
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Doesn't apply because he wasn't on active duty orders n/t |
FLDCVADem |
Sep-10-09 10:52 AM |
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Except that the Constitution protects Congressmen in what they say on the floor. |
ddeclue |
Sep-10-09 10:38 AM |
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Bingo. House floor trumps all. |
Hassin Bin Sober |
Sep-10-09 10:47 AM |
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Forgot about that. |
strategery blunder |
Sep-10-09 11:36 AM |
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Push this one- This is where he could really be held accountable |
shotten99 |
Sep-10-09 10:52 AM |
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Joe Wilson is not fit to lead Army Soldiers. If there's any justice he will be forced |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-10-09 11:11 AM |
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If you're not on orders, you're not subject to the UCMJ |
madville |
Sep-10-09 11:08 AM |
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Then FORCE him to retire like Rummy did to many of our HONEST General Officers |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-10-09 11:12 AM |
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You can't force anyone to retire n/t |
FLDCVADem |
Sep-10-09 11:24 AM |
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Gee, I remember many Field Grade & General Officers in the Pentagon offering up their resignations |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-10-09 11:28 AM |
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Reservists not on active duty or in military training not subject to UCMJ |
Crabby Appleton |
Sep-10-09 11:58 AM |
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How many mea culpas do you folks need? I GOT IT! :-) |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-10-09 12:04 PM |
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Call his ass up to active duty and ship him to Iraq |
BR_Parkway |
Sep-10-09 01:03 PM |
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