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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 08:56 AM
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15. No, that doesn't apply to officers. He's insulted OUR Commander in Chief and it
disrupts the "good order and discipline" within the military ranks. Would you want to serve under him?
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  -Colonel (US Army Reserves) Joe Wilson: Conduct Unbecoming an Officer. ShortnFiery  Sep-10-09 08:38 AM   #0 
  - Obama is his Commander in Chief??  kentuck   Sep-10-09 08:39 AM   #1 
  - Yes, what Colonel Joe Wilson did was IMO, "Conduct Unbecoming" - fits to a tee.  ShortnFiery   Sep-10-09 08:45 AM   #6 
     - Unless he was on active duty orders  FLDCVADem   Sep-10-09 08:49 AM   #8 
        - No, that doesn't apply to officers. He's insulted OUR Commander in Chief and it  ShortnFiery   Sep-10-09 08:56 AM   #15 
        - No, I wouldn't want to serve under him  FLDCVADem   Sep-10-09 08:58 AM   #18 
           - He could be disciplined and suspended by senior officers, conduct unbecoming  ShortnFiery   Sep-10-09 10:28 AM   #33 
              - Reservists are not subject to the UCMJ  FLDCVADem   Sep-10-09 10:39 AM   #39 
                 - As long as they are not separated from the military (discharged), "conduct unbecoming" applies  ShortnFiery   Sep-10-09 10:43 AM   #43 
                    - You need to read the link I posted down thread  FLDCVADem   Sep-10-09 10:48 AM   #50 
                       - I did, but I disagree.  ShortnFiery   Sep-10-09 10:50 AM   #52 
                          - If you had read the link  FLDCVADem   Sep-10-09 11:20 AM   #69 
                             - Jesus Christ, is being RIGHT the end-all for you ?!? I want him, at a minimum DISCIPLINED.  ShortnFiery   Sep-10-09 11:32 AM   #75 
        - Not so. He is a commissioned officer, in or out of uniform.  MNDemNY   Sep-10-09 10:10 AM   #32 
           - Reservists are not subject to the UCMJ  FLDCVADem   Sep-10-09 10:40 AM   #40 
  - "Court martial the Family Values jerk. Smirk." - xCommander AWOL (R)  SpiralHawk   Sep-10-09 08:40 AM   #2 
  - was he on orders?  DrDan   Sep-10-09 08:40 AM   #3 
  - No, as "An officer" I was expected to behave with HIGHER moral standards, IN or OUT of uniform.  ShortnFiery   Sep-10-09 08:50 AM   #9 
     - You need to stop focusing  FLDCVADem   Sep-10-09 08:54 AM   #11 
     - You need to focus on "An Officer." He can NOT now lead troops. eom  ShortnFiery   Sep-10-09 08:55 AM   #13 
        - Bullshit  FLDCVADem   Sep-10-09 08:57 AM   #17 
        - that is a separate issue - you are calling for a court martial - which is not warranted  DrDan   Sep-10-09 08:59 AM   #21 
           - I'm calling for, at a minimum, suspension and forced separation.  ShortnFiery   Sep-10-09 10:53 AM   #58 
              - well - it is the case  DrDan   Sep-10-09 10:58 AM   #61 
     - I was an officer also - both on active duty and in the reserves  DrDan   Sep-10-09 08:58 AM   #19 
  - In or out of uniform, yes  FLDCVADem   Sep-10-09 08:41 AM   #4 
  - exactly - as a former reservist/active-duty vet I agree  DrDan   Sep-10-09 08:45 AM   #5 
  - Officers have been tried and convicted, reserve or AD. He can't lead troops any more.  ShortnFiery   Sep-10-09 08:52 AM   #10 
     - Give a single example of a reserve officer  FLDCVADem   Sep-10-09 08:56 AM   #14 
     - Here ya go.  ShortnFiery   Sep-10-09 09:10 AM   #26 
        - Invalid  FLDCVADem   Sep-10-09 09:20 AM   #30 
           - What part of "Commissioned Officer" of the discussion, in or out of uniform/activated , ...  ShortnFiery   Sep-10-09 10:35 AM   #37 
              - And what part of  FLDCVADem   Sep-10-09 10:41 AM   #41 
              - If a Officer reservist "robs a bank" and is convicted, what makes you think that his superior will  ShortnFiery   Sep-10-09 10:45 AM   #45 
              - I share your passion and outrage,  dgibby   Sep-10-09 11:31 AM   #74 
                 - Thank-you. That was the most thoughtful dressing-down and I appreciate it.  ShortnFiery   Sep-10-09 11:43 AM   #78 
     - whether I want to be under his command is not the point  DrDan   Sep-10-09 08:57 AM   #16 
        - I made the same point up thread  FLDCVADem   Sep-10-09 08:59 AM   #20 
           - exactly - 20 yrs U.S.A.F. - both active and reserves  DrDan   Sep-10-09 09:01 AM   #23 
              - Did you serve in the Officer Corps? And gee, you were in the Air Force?  ShortnFiery   Sep-10-09 09:13 AM   #27 
                 - I certainly did  DrDan   Sep-10-09 09:14 AM   #28 
                    - Well DrDan, I believe that many of us veterans from the Army and Marine Corps  ShortnFiery   Sep-10-09 10:31 AM   #34 
                    - seems as though I remember a navy incident . . . .tail hook?  DrDan   Sep-10-09 10:47 AM   #47 
                       - He should be FORCED to retire. eom  ShortnFiery   Sep-10-09 10:48 AM   #49 
                          - on what grounds? His behavior was while NOT on orders for active duty  DrDan   Sep-10-09 10:50 AM   #51 
                          - no grounds  DrDan   Sep-10-09 10:52 AM   #56 
                             - Of course there's grounds, he insulted his "Commander in Chief" and can no longer  ShortnFiery   Sep-10-09 10:55 AM   #59 
                                - you are wrong - sorry - rules are different for reserves vs active duty  DrDan   Sep-10-09 11:01 AM   #62 
                    - "Conduct unbecoming an officer" - UCMJ applies to OFFICERS ONLY (enlisted and warrant). eom  ShortnFiery   Sep-10-09 10:41 AM   #42 
                       - his behavior does not apply - not on active duty eom  DrDan   Sep-10-09 10:51 AM   #53 
                          - There are ways that Joe Wilson still can be disciplined: Fitness Report could force him out.  ShortnFiery   Sep-10-09 11:16 AM   #68 
  - You forget - Joe wilson is "an officer." When you're commissioned, your private life is  ShortnFiery   Sep-10-09 08:54 AM   #12 
  - It's different for reservists  FLDCVADem   Sep-10-09 09:01 AM   #22 
  - In or out of uniform if anyone SUSPECTED he had sucked one d*ck  HillWilliam   Sep-10-09 11:42 AM   #77 
  - Isn't there something in UCMJ about "contemptious words toward the President" too?  strategery blunder   Sep-10-09 08:49 AM   #7 
  - When active duty or on active duty orders  FLDCVADem   Sep-10-09 09:02 AM   #24 
     - Bullshit! An Army Captain (not activated) was SUSPENDED for posting a racist email. An officer ...  ShortnFiery   Sep-10-09 09:14 AM   #29 
        - Invalid  FLDCVADem   Sep-10-09 09:21 AM   #31 
           - Not INVALID: applies to the military OFFICER CORPS (AD, Reserve or NG). It's pertinent and apt.  ShortnFiery   Sep-10-09 10:33 AM   #36 
              - Please read this link  FLDCVADem   Sep-10-09 10:44 AM   #44 
                 - OFFICER is the key word. Enlisted are not charged with "conduct unbecoming and officer"  ShortnFiery   Sep-10-09 10:46 AM   #46 
                    - And you obviously didn't read the link  FLDCVADem   Sep-10-09 10:51 AM   #54 
                       - He still can be DISCIPLINED. Instead of trying to score points, admit that his superiors  ShortnFiery   Sep-10-09 10:57 AM   #60 
                          - Not trying to score points, trying to inform the ignorant  FLDCVADem   Sep-10-09 11:05 AM   #63 
                             - Thanks for the personal insult. I'm talking about discipline, like what Rumsfeld  ShortnFiery   Sep-10-09 11:14 AM   #67 
                                - Then I suggest you contact your Congressman  FLDCVADem   Sep-10-09 11:23 AM   #70 
                                   - You're hilarious.  ShortnFiery   Sep-10-09 11:24 AM   #72 
  - No wonder we cant win a war. Wilson is a fool. nt  Joey Liberal   Sep-10-09 09:07 AM   #25 
  - Start with Article 88: Contempt  margotb822   Sep-10-09 10:32 AM   #35 
  - Doesn't apply because he wasn't on active duty orders n/t  FLDCVADem   Sep-10-09 10:52 AM   #57 
  - Except that the Constitution protects Congressmen in what they say on the floor.  ddeclue   Sep-10-09 10:38 AM   #38 
  - Bingo. House floor trumps all.  Hassin Bin Sober   Sep-10-09 10:47 AM   #48 
  - Forgot about that.  strategery blunder   Sep-10-09 11:36 AM   #76 
  - Push this one- This is where he could really be held accountable  shotten99   Sep-10-09 10:52 AM   #55 
  - Joe Wilson is not fit to lead Army Soldiers. If there's any justice he will be forced  ShortnFiery   Sep-10-09 11:11 AM   #65 
  - If you're not on orders, you're not subject to the UCMJ  madville   Sep-10-09 11:08 AM   #64 
  - Then FORCE him to retire like Rummy did to many of our HONEST General Officers  ShortnFiery   Sep-10-09 11:12 AM   #66 
     - You can't force anyone to retire n/t  FLDCVADem   Sep-10-09 11:24 AM   #71 
        - Gee, I remember many Field Grade & General Officers in the Pentagon offering up their resignations  ShortnFiery   Sep-10-09 11:28 AM   #73 
  - Reservists not on active duty or in military training not subject to UCMJ  Crabby Appleton   Sep-10-09 11:58 AM   #79 
  - How many mea culpas do you folks need? I GOT IT! :-)  ShortnFiery   Sep-10-09 12:04 PM   #80 
  - Call his ass up to active duty and ship him to Iraq  BR_Parkway   Sep-10-09 01:03 PM   #81 

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