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Thu Sep-10-09 10:37 AM
Response to Reply #59 |
| 69. I'm not even sure if I trust the use of the word exchange. |
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What do they mean by exchange? It sounds like a euphemism for co-op or something equally untenable. A public option needs to allow anyone to join otherwise it's just second tier insurance subject to the whims of whichever administration is in government.
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| -Some People Here Are Getting Hung Up On ONE Phrase from Obama's Speech |
berni_mccoy |
Sep-10-09 07:59 AM |
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Name removed |
Sep-10-09 08:01 AM |
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That part of the speech was weak at best. More like crumbs |
joeycola |
Sep-10-09 08:01 AM |
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Rational and factual - I'm afraid it won't do well on DU - But thanks and recommended! |
stray cat |
Sep-10-09 08:01 AM |
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lol, thanks for your support :-) |
berni_mccoy |
Sep-10-09 08:03 AM |
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Heh indeedy. |
BlooInBloo |
Sep-10-09 09:15 AM |
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yeah my employer sponsored plan |
TransitJohn |
Sep-10-09 08:03 AM |
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and those who have insurance are forced to keep it |
Donnachaidh |
Sep-10-09 08:04 AM |
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Are you talking about private insurance or over-priced employer provided insurance? |
sinkingfeeling |
Sep-10-09 08:06 AM |
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private insurance AND employer insurance |
Donnachaidh |
Sep-10-09 08:15 AM |
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If you were to read the drafts, you would find that there is a table of government assistance to |
sinkingfeeling |
Sep-10-09 10:12 AM |
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Again, you are completely wrong. No one is forced to keep anything. Employers and Individuals |
berni_mccoy |
Sep-10-09 08:06 AM |
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don't think so toots |
Donnachaidh |
Sep-10-09 08:12 AM |
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Read the damn bill. |
berni_mccoy |
Sep-10-09 08:13 AM |
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YOU read it. |
Donnachaidh |
Sep-10-09 08:15 AM |
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Folks like that are bound and determined to undermine President Obama |
bushisanidiot |
Sep-10-09 09:11 AM |
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it isnt people being unreasonable. it is the wording and where we see we are sittin. |
seabeyond |
Sep-10-09 08:14 AM |
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That's fine. But there is far to much Fear Mongering going on here and spreading of lies |
berni_mccoy |
Sep-10-09 08:20 AM |
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k. but i have been looking for the out and havent seen any. there are a lot of people |
seabeyond |
Sep-10-09 08:29 AM |
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Good point about the options, including public, in the exchange. As always, though, |
pinto |
Sep-10-09 09:16 AM |
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Only small employers will be allowed to use the exchange. |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-10-09 10:07 AM |
#59 |
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I'm not even sure if I trust the use of the word exchange. |
Raineyb |
Sep-10-09 10:37 AM |
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Yep! |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-10-09 11:21 AM |
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You're asking for the moon |
treestar |
Sep-10-09 09:18 AM |
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That point was to change the system to benefit EVERYONE |
Raineyb |
Sep-10-09 10:40 AM |
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Everyone but Women... |
LeFleur1 |
Sep-10-09 10:47 AM |
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My understanding |
FLDCVADem |
Sep-10-09 08:05 AM |
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Yes, but those plans have expirations. And tell me, what Employer is going to stick with |
berni_mccoy |
Sep-10-09 08:08 AM |
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using my plan as an example |
FLDCVADem |
Sep-10-09 08:15 AM |
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Only small employers will be allowed to use the exchange. |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-10-09 10:10 AM |
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Yuh I... uh... noticed. If it wasn't that comment, the PAAA's |
lamp_shade |
Sep-10-09 08:06 AM |
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There are so many to choose from. |
rug |
Sep-10-09 08:08 AM |
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What does PAAA stand for? |
tekisui |
Sep-10-09 08:11 AM |
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Permanently Annoyed And Angry |
berni_mccoy |
Sep-10-09 08:13 AM |
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translation - marginalize those with differences of opinions -- a puke trick adopted |
Donnachaidh |
Sep-10-09 08:17 AM |
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No, just calling you out for what you are. Speaking the truth sometimes upsets people. |
berni_mccoy |
Sep-10-09 08:19 AM |
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translation - marginalizing those with differences of opinion -- an obviously well learned TRICK |
Donnachaidh |
Sep-10-09 08:29 AM |
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Which perfectly describes your first response. Thanks. |
berni_mccoy |
Sep-10-09 08:40 AM |
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By RIDICULING them and CALLING THEM NAMES - just like Pitt...nice... |
TankLV |
Sep-10-09 08:51 AM |
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Bah. I gotta get a better P.R. guy... |
BlooInBloo |
Sep-10-09 09:16 AM |
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As opposed to the "It's okay if our guy does it" crowd? Your cheerleading |
Raineyb |
Sep-10-09 10:41 AM |
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Berni, the President had a great night last night, and so did we (the American people)... |
kjackson227 |
Sep-10-09 08:18 AM |
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Apologists like you and Will Pitt can take a flying leap |
Fading Captain |
Sep-10-09 08:19 AM |
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Sooo... all you bring to the discussion is that Obama = Bush. Yeah, I've heard that nonsense before |
berni_mccoy |
Sep-10-09 08:22 AM |
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another Rovian response n/t |
Donnachaidh |
Sep-10-09 08:30 AM |
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Oh, I was wrong. In addition to Obama = Bush, Anyone who Disagrees with You = Rove. |
berni_mccoy |
Sep-10-09 08:39 AM |
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Very Fox Newsy of you |
Fading Captain |
Sep-10-09 08:42 AM |
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Oh, there was a point to being called an Apologist and told to take a flying leap? |
berni_mccoy |
Sep-10-09 09:28 AM |
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You only read titles -- Not my fault you didn't see the point - so my entire post in the title for u |
Fading Captain |
Sep-10-09 09:34 AM |
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He talks about |
Inuca |
Sep-10-09 08:48 AM |
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What utter crap-spew. |
Odin2005 |
Sep-10-09 08:48 AM |
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+1 |
SammyWinstonJack |
Sep-10-09 09:20 AM |
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I agree with you 100% |
Postman |
Sep-10-09 09:22 AM |
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Kick and recommend. |
Sukie |
Sep-10-09 08:19 AM |
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Under the Senate bill, bad coverage is "grandfathered" in... |
Junkdrawer |
Sep-10-09 08:27 AM |
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Those plans are a dead-end. Why would an employer choose to continue to pay more? |
berni_mccoy |
Sep-10-09 08:38 AM |
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Your whole post assumes Ron Wyden's Free Choice Act were part.... |
Junkdrawer |
Sep-10-09 08:45 AM |
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Why are you assuming |
FLDCVADem |
Sep-10-09 09:06 AM |
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Because they will be need to meet specific requirements |
berni_mccoy |
Sep-10-09 09:18 AM |
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There is no controlled premium rate that I'm aware of |
FLDCVADem |
Sep-10-09 09:24 AM |
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The controlled rate will be the rate of the PO. |
berni_mccoy |
Sep-10-09 09:27 AM |
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No, it's that |
FLDCVADem |
Sep-10-09 09:30 AM |
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The Public Option IS An Option IN THE EXCHANGE. That's what makes Private Insurance COMPETE. |
berni_mccoy |
Sep-10-09 11:17 AM |
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Quit talking sense! |
Odin2005 |
Sep-10-09 08:44 AM |
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Was it "Good Evening."? |
TankLV |
Sep-10-09 08:48 AM |
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Outstanding post! You've explained it PERFECTLY! |
bushisanidiot |
Sep-10-09 09:03 AM |
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Exactly! |
Spazito |
Sep-10-09 09:34 AM |
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I don't think you are right. |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-10-09 10:04 AM |
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YOU are correct. And Ron Wyden is trying to correct this with the Free Choice Act... |
Junkdrawer |
Sep-10-09 10:18 AM |
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Read it IN THE BILL Right here: Section 202, paragraph (e) subsection (3) |
berni_mccoy |
Sep-10-09 10:36 AM |
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Read pg. 115 of the Senate Bill - Employees offered coverage are locked out... |
Junkdrawer |
Sep-10-09 10:49 AM |
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You're going to have to cite it because that language isn't in the bill |
berni_mccoy |
Sep-10-09 10:59 AM |
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As the bill quite clearly states... |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-10-09 11:09 AM |
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(B) Phase-in |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-10-09 10:51 AM |
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But no don't you see that's wrong because AAAAAAAGGGGGGG |
Arkana |
Sep-10-09 10:15 AM |
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No I'm hung up over the non-commital to a public option - NO LINE IN THE SAND |
ddeclue |
Sep-10-09 10:18 AM |
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I think you stopped listening at Good Evening. Obama said very clearly that the Bill MUST |
berni_mccoy |
Sep-10-09 10:30 AM |
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When will you address the fact that you are wrong. |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-10-09 10:36 AM |
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I'm RIGHT! Read it IN THE BILL Right here: Section 202, paragraph (e) subsection (3) |
berni_mccoy |
Sep-10-09 10:37 AM |
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Read pg. 114-115 of the Senate Bill - Employees offered coverage are locked out... |
Junkdrawer |
Sep-10-09 10:56 AM |
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You are confused. An Employer-sponsored coverage CAN BE the Public Option. |
berni_mccoy |
Sep-10-09 11:08 AM |
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For small employees only which translates to |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-10-09 11:16 AM |
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What part of "may" do you not understand? |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-10-09 11:03 AM |
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Wrong. May = Option. And it's not the discretion of the employer. It's the Exchange commission. |
berni_mccoy |
Sep-10-09 11:11 AM |
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It is up to the Commissioner to expand the eligibility pool |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-10-09 11:19 AM |
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The "phrase" I have a problem with |
Spoonman |
Sep-10-09 10:33 AM |
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Some cheerleaders here are completely ignoring the first half of Obama's speech. |
Sebastian Doyle |
Sep-10-09 11:12 AM |
#82 |
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