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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 10:10 AM
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60. Only small employers will be allowed to use the exchange.
And the public option will only be offered through the exchange. Most people are covered by large employers (defined as more than 50 employees) and they can't flock to an exchange because a firewall is built into the system that bars them from doing so.
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  -Some People Here Are Getting Hung Up On ONE Phrase from Obama's Speech berni_mccoy  Sep-10-09 07:59 AM   #0 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Sep-10-09 08:01 AM   #1 
  - That part of the speech was weak at best. More like crumbs  joeycola   Sep-10-09 08:01 AM   #2 
  - Rational and factual - I'm afraid it won't do well on DU - But thanks and recommended!  stray cat   Sep-10-09 08:01 AM   #3 
  - lol, thanks for your support :-)  berni_mccoy   Sep-10-09 08:03 AM   #4 
  - Heh indeedy.  BlooInBloo   Sep-10-09 09:15 AM   #45 
  - yeah my employer sponsored plan  TransitJohn   Sep-10-09 08:03 AM   #5 
  - and those who have insurance are forced to keep it  Donnachaidh   Sep-10-09 08:04 AM   #6 
  - Are you talking about private insurance or over-priced employer provided insurance?  sinkingfeeling   Sep-10-09 08:06 AM   #8 
  - private insurance AND employer insurance  Donnachaidh   Sep-10-09 08:15 AM   #18 
     - If you were to read the drafts, you would find that there is a table of government assistance to  sinkingfeeling   Sep-10-09 10:12 AM   #61 
  - Again, you are completely wrong. No one is forced to keep anything. Employers and Individuals  berni_mccoy   Sep-10-09 08:06 AM   #9 
  - don't think so toots  Donnachaidh   Sep-10-09 08:12 AM   #14 
  - Read the damn bill.  berni_mccoy   Sep-10-09 08:13 AM   #16 
     - YOU read it.  Donnachaidh   Sep-10-09 08:15 AM   #20 
     - Folks like that are bound and determined to undermine President Obama  bushisanidiot   Sep-10-09 09:11 AM   #44 
  - it isnt people being unreasonable. it is the wording and where we see we are sittin.  seabeyond   Sep-10-09 08:14 AM   #17 
  - That's fine. But there is far to much Fear Mongering going on here and spreading of lies  berni_mccoy   Sep-10-09 08:20 AM   #26 
     - k. but i have been looking for the out and havent seen any. there are a lot of people  seabeyond   Sep-10-09 08:29 AM   #30 
  - Good point about the options, including public, in the exchange. As always, though,  pinto   Sep-10-09 09:16 AM   #46 
  - Only small employers will be allowed to use the exchange.  Luminous Animal   Sep-10-09 10:07 AM   #59 
     - I'm not even sure if I trust the use of the word exchange.  Raineyb   Sep-10-09 10:37 AM   #69 
        - Yep!  Luminous Animal   Sep-10-09 11:21 AM   #86 
  - You're asking for the moon  treestar   Sep-10-09 09:18 AM   #48 
     - That point was to change the system to benefit EVERYONE  Raineyb   Sep-10-09 10:40 AM   #71 
        - Everyone but Women...  LeFleur1   Sep-10-09 10:47 AM   #73 
  - My understanding  FLDCVADem   Sep-10-09 08:05 AM   #7 
  - Yes, but those plans have expirations. And tell me, what Employer is going to stick with  berni_mccoy   Sep-10-09 08:08 AM   #11 
     - using my plan as an example  FLDCVADem   Sep-10-09 08:15 AM   #19 
     - Only small employers will be allowed to use the exchange.  Luminous Animal   Sep-10-09 10:10 AM   #60 
  - Yuh I... uh... noticed. If it wasn't that comment, the PAAA's  lamp_shade   Sep-10-09 08:06 AM   #10 
  - There are so many to choose from.  rug   Sep-10-09 08:08 AM   #12 
  - What does PAAA stand for?  tekisui   Sep-10-09 08:11 AM   #13 
     - Permanently Annoyed And Angry  berni_mccoy   Sep-10-09 08:13 AM   #15 
        - translation - marginalize those with differences of opinions -- a puke trick adopted  Donnachaidh   Sep-10-09 08:17 AM   #21 
           - No, just calling you out for what you are. Speaking the truth sometimes upsets people.  berni_mccoy   Sep-10-09 08:19 AM   #23 
              - translation - marginalizing those with differences of opinion -- an obviously well learned TRICK  Donnachaidh   Sep-10-09 08:29 AM   #29 
              - Which perfectly describes your first response. Thanks.  berni_mccoy   Sep-10-09 08:40 AM   #34 
              - By RIDICULING them and CALLING THEM NAMES - just like Pitt...nice...  TankLV   Sep-10-09 08:51 AM   #41 
              - Bah. I gotta get a better P.R. guy...  BlooInBloo   Sep-10-09 09:16 AM   #47 
              - As opposed to the "It's okay if our guy does it" crowd? Your cheerleading  Raineyb   Sep-10-09 10:41 AM   #72 
  - Berni, the President had a great night last night, and so did we (the American people)...  kjackson227   Sep-10-09 08:18 AM   #22 
  - Apologists like you and Will Pitt can take a flying leap  Fading Captain   Sep-10-09 08:19 AM   #24 
  - Sooo... all you bring to the discussion is that Obama = Bush. Yeah, I've heard that nonsense before  berni_mccoy   Sep-10-09 08:22 AM   #27 
  - another Rovian response n/t  Donnachaidh   Sep-10-09 08:30 AM   #31 
  - Oh, I was wrong. In addition to Obama = Bush, Anyone who Disagrees with You = Rove.  berni_mccoy   Sep-10-09 08:39 AM   #33 
  - Very Fox Newsy of you  Fading Captain   Sep-10-09 08:42 AM   #35 
     - Oh, there was a point to being called an Apologist and told to take a flying leap?  berni_mccoy   Sep-10-09 09:28 AM   #54 
        - You only read titles -- Not my fault you didn't see the point - so my entire post in the title for u  Fading Captain   Sep-10-09 09:34 AM   #57 
  - He talks about  Inuca   Sep-10-09 08:48 AM   #38 
  - What utter crap-spew.  Odin2005   Sep-10-09 08:48 AM   #40 
  - +1  SammyWinstonJack   Sep-10-09 09:20 AM   #50 
  - I agree with you 100%  Postman   Sep-10-09 09:22 AM   #51 
  - Kick and recommend.  Sukie   Sep-10-09 08:19 AM   #25 
  - Under the Senate bill, bad coverage is "grandfathered" in...  Junkdrawer   Sep-10-09 08:27 AM   #28 
  - Those plans are a dead-end. Why would an employer choose to continue to pay more?  berni_mccoy   Sep-10-09 08:38 AM   #32 
     - Your whole post assumes Ron Wyden's Free Choice Act were part....  Junkdrawer   Sep-10-09 08:45 AM   #37 
     - Why are you assuming  FLDCVADem   Sep-10-09 09:06 AM   #43 
        - Because they will be need to meet specific requirements  berni_mccoy   Sep-10-09 09:18 AM   #49 
           - There is no controlled premium rate that I'm aware of  FLDCVADem   Sep-10-09 09:24 AM   #52 
              - The controlled rate will be the rate of the PO.  berni_mccoy   Sep-10-09 09:27 AM   #53 
                 - No, it's that  FLDCVADem   Sep-10-09 09:30 AM   #55 
                    - The Public Option IS An Option IN THE EXCHANGE. That's what makes Private Insurance COMPETE.  berni_mccoy   Sep-10-09 11:17 AM   #84 
  - Quit talking sense!  Odin2005   Sep-10-09 08:44 AM   #36 
  - Was it "Good Evening."?  TankLV   Sep-10-09 08:48 AM   #39 
  - Outstanding post! You've explained it PERFECTLY!  bushisanidiot   Sep-10-09 09:03 AM   #42 
  - Exactly!  Spazito   Sep-10-09 09:34 AM   #56 
  - I don't think you are right.  Luminous Animal   Sep-10-09 10:04 AM   #58 
  - YOU are correct. And Ron Wyden is trying to correct this with the Free Choice Act...  Junkdrawer   Sep-10-09 10:18 AM   #64 
  - Read it IN THE BILL Right here: Section 202, paragraph (e) subsection (3)  berni_mccoy   Sep-10-09 10:36 AM   #68 
     - Read pg. 115 of the Senate Bill - Employees offered coverage are locked out...  Junkdrawer   Sep-10-09 10:49 AM   #74 
     - You're going to have to cite it because that language isn't in the bill  berni_mccoy   Sep-10-09 10:59 AM   #77 
        - As the bill quite clearly states...  Luminous Animal   Sep-10-09 11:09 AM   #80 
     - (B) Phase-in  Luminous Animal   Sep-10-09 10:51 AM   #75 
  - But no don't you see that's wrong because AAAAAAAGGGGGGG  Arkana   Sep-10-09 10:15 AM   #62 
  - No I'm hung up over the non-commital to a public option - NO LINE IN THE SAND  ddeclue   Sep-10-09 10:18 AM   #63 
  - I think you stopped listening at Good Evening. Obama said very clearly that the Bill MUST  berni_mccoy   Sep-10-09 10:30 AM   #65 
     - When will you address the fact that you are wrong.  Luminous Animal   Sep-10-09 10:36 AM   #67 
        - I'm RIGHT! Read it IN THE BILL Right here: Section 202, paragraph (e) subsection (3)  berni_mccoy   Sep-10-09 10:37 AM   #70 
           - Read pg. 114-115 of the Senate Bill - Employees offered coverage are locked out...  Junkdrawer   Sep-10-09 10:56 AM   #76 
           - You are confused. An Employer-sponsored coverage CAN BE the Public Option.  berni_mccoy   Sep-10-09 11:08 AM   #79 
              - For small employees only which translates to  Luminous Animal   Sep-10-09 11:16 AM   #83 
           - What part of "may" do you not understand?  Luminous Animal   Sep-10-09 11:03 AM   #78 
              - Wrong. May = Option. And it's not the discretion of the employer. It's the Exchange commission.  berni_mccoy   Sep-10-09 11:11 AM   #81 
                 - It is up to the Commissioner to expand the eligibility pool  Luminous Animal   Sep-10-09 11:19 AM   #85 
  - The "phrase" I have a problem with  Spoonman   Sep-10-09 10:33 AM   #66 
  - Some cheerleaders here are completely ignoring the first half of Obama's speech.  Sebastian Doyle   Sep-10-09 11:12 AM   #82 
 

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