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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 08:12 AM
Response to Reply #9
14. don't think so toots
but nice try anyway... :eyes:
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  -Some People Here Are Getting Hung Up On ONE Phrase from Obama's Speech berni_mccoy  Sep-10-09 07:59 AM   #0 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Sep-10-09 08:01 AM   #1 
  - That part of the speech was weak at best. More like crumbs  joeycola   Sep-10-09 08:01 AM   #2 
  - Rational and factual - I'm afraid it won't do well on DU - But thanks and recommended!  stray cat   Sep-10-09 08:01 AM   #3 
  - lol, thanks for your support :-)  berni_mccoy   Sep-10-09 08:03 AM   #4 
  - Heh indeedy.  BlooInBloo   Sep-10-09 09:15 AM   #45 
  - yeah my employer sponsored plan  TransitJohn   Sep-10-09 08:03 AM   #5 
  - and those who have insurance are forced to keep it  Donnachaidh   Sep-10-09 08:04 AM   #6 
  - Are you talking about private insurance or over-priced employer provided insurance?  sinkingfeeling   Sep-10-09 08:06 AM   #8 
  - private insurance AND employer insurance  Donnachaidh   Sep-10-09 08:15 AM   #18 
     - If you were to read the drafts, you would find that there is a table of government assistance to  sinkingfeeling   Sep-10-09 10:12 AM   #61 
  - Again, you are completely wrong. No one is forced to keep anything. Employers and Individuals  berni_mccoy   Sep-10-09 08:06 AM   #9 
  - don't think so toots  Donnachaidh   Sep-10-09 08:12 AM   #14 
  - Read the damn bill.  berni_mccoy   Sep-10-09 08:13 AM   #16 
     - YOU read it.  Donnachaidh   Sep-10-09 08:15 AM   #20 
     - Folks like that are bound and determined to undermine President Obama  bushisanidiot   Sep-10-09 09:11 AM   #44 
  - it isnt people being unreasonable. it is the wording and where we see we are sittin.  seabeyond   Sep-10-09 08:14 AM   #17 
  - That's fine. But there is far to much Fear Mongering going on here and spreading of lies  berni_mccoy   Sep-10-09 08:20 AM   #26 
     - k. but i have been looking for the out and havent seen any. there are a lot of people  seabeyond   Sep-10-09 08:29 AM   #30 
  - Good point about the options, including public, in the exchange. As always, though,  pinto   Sep-10-09 09:16 AM   #46 
  - Only small employers will be allowed to use the exchange.  Luminous Animal   Sep-10-09 10:07 AM   #59 
     - I'm not even sure if I trust the use of the word exchange.  Raineyb   Sep-10-09 10:37 AM   #69 
        - Yep!  Luminous Animal   Sep-10-09 11:21 AM   #86 
  - You're asking for the moon  treestar   Sep-10-09 09:18 AM   #48 
     - That point was to change the system to benefit EVERYONE  Raineyb   Sep-10-09 10:40 AM   #71 
        - Everyone but Women...  LeFleur1   Sep-10-09 10:47 AM   #73 
  - My understanding  FLDCVADem   Sep-10-09 08:05 AM   #7 
  - Yes, but those plans have expirations. And tell me, what Employer is going to stick with  berni_mccoy   Sep-10-09 08:08 AM   #11 
     - using my plan as an example  FLDCVADem   Sep-10-09 08:15 AM   #19 
     - Only small employers will be allowed to use the exchange.  Luminous Animal   Sep-10-09 10:10 AM   #60 
  - Yuh I... uh... noticed. If it wasn't that comment, the PAAA's  lamp_shade   Sep-10-09 08:06 AM   #10 
  - There are so many to choose from.  rug   Sep-10-09 08:08 AM   #12 
  - What does PAAA stand for?  tekisui   Sep-10-09 08:11 AM   #13 
     - Permanently Annoyed And Angry  berni_mccoy   Sep-10-09 08:13 AM   #15 
        - translation - marginalize those with differences of opinions -- a puke trick adopted  Donnachaidh   Sep-10-09 08:17 AM   #21 
           - No, just calling you out for what you are. Speaking the truth sometimes upsets people.  berni_mccoy   Sep-10-09 08:19 AM   #23 
              - translation - marginalizing those with differences of opinion -- an obviously well learned TRICK  Donnachaidh   Sep-10-09 08:29 AM   #29 
              - Which perfectly describes your first response. Thanks.  berni_mccoy   Sep-10-09 08:40 AM   #34 
              - By RIDICULING them and CALLING THEM NAMES - just like Pitt...nice...  TankLV   Sep-10-09 08:51 AM   #41 
              - Bah. I gotta get a better P.R. guy...  BlooInBloo   Sep-10-09 09:16 AM   #47 
              - As opposed to the "It's okay if our guy does it" crowd? Your cheerleading  Raineyb   Sep-10-09 10:41 AM   #72 
  - Berni, the President had a great night last night, and so did we (the American people)...  kjackson227   Sep-10-09 08:18 AM   #22 
  - Apologists like you and Will Pitt can take a flying leap  Fading Captain   Sep-10-09 08:19 AM   #24 
  - Sooo... all you bring to the discussion is that Obama = Bush. Yeah, I've heard that nonsense before  berni_mccoy   Sep-10-09 08:22 AM   #27 
  - another Rovian response n/t  Donnachaidh   Sep-10-09 08:30 AM   #31 
  - Oh, I was wrong. In addition to Obama = Bush, Anyone who Disagrees with You = Rove.  berni_mccoy   Sep-10-09 08:39 AM   #33 
  - Very Fox Newsy of you  Fading Captain   Sep-10-09 08:42 AM   #35 
     - Oh, there was a point to being called an Apologist and told to take a flying leap?  berni_mccoy   Sep-10-09 09:28 AM   #54 
        - You only read titles -- Not my fault you didn't see the point - so my entire post in the title for u  Fading Captain   Sep-10-09 09:34 AM   #57 
  - He talks about  Inuca   Sep-10-09 08:48 AM   #38 
  - What utter crap-spew.  Odin2005   Sep-10-09 08:48 AM   #40 
  - +1  SammyWinstonJack   Sep-10-09 09:20 AM   #50 
  - I agree with you 100%  Postman   Sep-10-09 09:22 AM   #51 
  - Kick and recommend.  Sukie   Sep-10-09 08:19 AM   #25 
  - Under the Senate bill, bad coverage is "grandfathered" in...  Junkdrawer   Sep-10-09 08:27 AM   #28 
  - Those plans are a dead-end. Why would an employer choose to continue to pay more?  berni_mccoy   Sep-10-09 08:38 AM   #32 
     - Your whole post assumes Ron Wyden's Free Choice Act were part....  Junkdrawer   Sep-10-09 08:45 AM   #37 
     - Why are you assuming  FLDCVADem   Sep-10-09 09:06 AM   #43 
        - Because they will be need to meet specific requirements  berni_mccoy   Sep-10-09 09:18 AM   #49 
           - There is no controlled premium rate that I'm aware of  FLDCVADem   Sep-10-09 09:24 AM   #52 
              - The controlled rate will be the rate of the PO.  berni_mccoy   Sep-10-09 09:27 AM   #53 
                 - No, it's that  FLDCVADem   Sep-10-09 09:30 AM   #55 
                    - The Public Option IS An Option IN THE EXCHANGE. That's what makes Private Insurance COMPETE.  berni_mccoy   Sep-10-09 11:17 AM   #84 
  - Quit talking sense!  Odin2005   Sep-10-09 08:44 AM   #36 
  - Was it "Good Evening."?  TankLV   Sep-10-09 08:48 AM   #39 
  - Outstanding post! You've explained it PERFECTLY!  bushisanidiot   Sep-10-09 09:03 AM   #42 
  - Exactly!  Spazito   Sep-10-09 09:34 AM   #56 
  - I don't think you are right.  Luminous Animal   Sep-10-09 10:04 AM   #58 
  - YOU are correct. And Ron Wyden is trying to correct this with the Free Choice Act...  Junkdrawer   Sep-10-09 10:18 AM   #64 
  - Read it IN THE BILL Right here: Section 202, paragraph (e) subsection (3)  berni_mccoy   Sep-10-09 10:36 AM   #68 
     - Read pg. 115 of the Senate Bill - Employees offered coverage are locked out...  Junkdrawer   Sep-10-09 10:49 AM   #74 
     - You're going to have to cite it because that language isn't in the bill  berni_mccoy   Sep-10-09 10:59 AM   #77 
        - As the bill quite clearly states...  Luminous Animal   Sep-10-09 11:09 AM   #80 
     - (B) Phase-in  Luminous Animal   Sep-10-09 10:51 AM   #75 
  - But no don't you see that's wrong because AAAAAAAGGGGGGG  Arkana   Sep-10-09 10:15 AM   #62 
  - No I'm hung up over the non-commital to a public option - NO LINE IN THE SAND  ddeclue   Sep-10-09 10:18 AM   #63 
  - I think you stopped listening at Good Evening. Obama said very clearly that the Bill MUST  berni_mccoy   Sep-10-09 10:30 AM   #65 
     - When will you address the fact that you are wrong.  Luminous Animal   Sep-10-09 10:36 AM   #67 
        - I'm RIGHT! Read it IN THE BILL Right here: Section 202, paragraph (e) subsection (3)  berni_mccoy   Sep-10-09 10:37 AM   #70 
           - Read pg. 114-115 of the Senate Bill - Employees offered coverage are locked out...  Junkdrawer   Sep-10-09 10:56 AM   #76 
           - You are confused. An Employer-sponsored coverage CAN BE the Public Option.  berni_mccoy   Sep-10-09 11:08 AM   #79 
              - For small employees only which translates to  Luminous Animal   Sep-10-09 11:16 AM   #83 
           - What part of "may" do you not understand?  Luminous Animal   Sep-10-09 11:03 AM   #78 
              - Wrong. May = Option. And it's not the discretion of the employer. It's the Exchange commission.  berni_mccoy   Sep-10-09 11:11 AM   #81 
                 - It is up to the Commissioner to expand the eligibility pool  Luminous Animal   Sep-10-09 11:19 AM   #85 
  - The "phrase" I have a problem with  Spoonman   Sep-10-09 10:33 AM   #66 
  - Some cheerleaders here are completely ignoring the first half of Obama's speech.  Sebastian Doyle   Sep-10-09 11:12 AM   #82 

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