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MattBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 03:18 PM
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12. Niether praising nor condeming this idea; but is this legal?
I understand that sacking is a legitimate tactic of football; but is not offering a reward for the harming of an individual not a crime?

It has the cover of being part of football yet would seem to be veering into a murky gray area of legality.
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  -Animal Rescue group - Each time Vick is sacked will donate 5 bags of dog food to shelter The Straight Story  Sep-09-09 02:24 PM   #0 
  - Outstanding! That sociopath has no soul. eom  ShortnFiery   Sep-09-09 02:26 PM   #1 
  - That. Is. Awesome!!!!! nt  Captain Hilts   Sep-09-09 02:28 PM   #2 
  - That's an idea that might grow some legs.  Bozita   Sep-09-09 02:29 PM   #3 
  - Feed the red-dogs! n/t  Quasimodem   Sep-09-09 02:33 PM   #4 
  - K&ARRRRRRRRRRF! nt  gateley   Sep-09-09 02:33 PM   #5 
  - Awesome! I recommend the "hugging a pit bull" part as well.  flvegan   Sep-09-09 02:40 PM   #6 
  - Good......sack his ass  PearliePoo2   Sep-09-09 02:42 PM   #7 
  - +1  MissDeeds   Sep-09-09 05:32 PM   #72 
  - What a great idea - I'll do the same thing here locally  tularetom   Sep-09-09 02:44 PM   #8 
  - Niether praising nor condeming this idea; but is this legal?  MattBaggins   Sep-09-09 03:18 PM   #12 
     - Letting dogs benefit from the injuring of Michael Vick is poetic justice is it not?  tularetom   Sep-09-09 03:23 PM   #13 
     - "Bounties" Are Illegal in the NFL, Don't Think They Are in the Real World  Toasterlad   Sep-09-09 03:29 PM   #17 
     - Bounties are very much illegal in the real world  MattBaggins   Sep-09-09 04:29 PM   #25 
     - Only if you can prove that sacking = harm.  Ignis   Sep-09-09 04:44 PM   #34 
        - I Doubt You'd Find a Single Pro QB Who'd Say That Sacking Is Harmless.  Toasterlad   Sep-09-09 04:50 PM   #39 
        - "personal gain" ... like an NFL salary, perhaps? (nt)  Ignis   Sep-09-09 04:52 PM   #44 
        - If You Don't Understand the Difference Between a Salary and a Bounty, We Have Nothing to Discuss.  Toasterlad   Sep-09-09 04:57 PM   #51 
           - So players make the same salary regardless of performance?  Ignis   Sep-09-09 05:00 PM   #54 
        - Then I guess contracts based on stat incentives should be banned.  nyc 4 Biden   Sep-10-09 10:05 AM   #82 
        - Right, I'm sure defensive players are going to be going after Vick  PVnRT   Sep-10-09 11:11 AM   #89 
        - I have a feeling that many NFL players have and love dogs  Sterling   Sep-11-09 09:55 AM   #95 
        - Sorry your team has a dirt bag for a QB.  Sterling   Sep-11-09 09:50 AM   #94 
        - Which is the whole gray area surrounding it  MattBaggins   Sep-09-09 05:11 PM   #62 
           - "a compensation for the harm of another" -- Always?  Ignis   Sep-09-09 05:28 PM   #71 
     - getting sacked is part of his job. putting a bow on it is a good idea.  roguevalley   Sep-10-09 02:52 PM   #93 
        - He's an Eagles fan  Sterling   Sep-11-09 10:20 AM   #96 
     - Do you seriously think NFL players are going to hit him more because of this?  Critters2   Sep-09-09 04:27 PM   #23 
     - I don't really care if he gets sacked or not and have no interest  MattBaggins   Sep-09-09 04:43 PM   #32 
        - You have a very low opinion of football players, and/or a poor understanding of the game,  Critters2   Sep-09-09 04:45 PM   #35 
        - Let's stay civil here  MattBaggins   Sep-09-09 05:05 PM   #58 
           - You're being ridiculous.  Critters2   Sep-09-09 05:12 PM   #63 
              - Now your being the typical sports fan neanderthal  MattBaggins   Sep-09-09 05:19 PM   #68 
                 - Let me say this a little louder, YOU'RE BEING RIDICULOUS nt  Critters2   Sep-09-09 05:21 PM   #69 
                    - Let me say this louder  MattBaggins   Sep-09-09 05:36 PM   #73 
                       - "I am just playing arm chair lawyer."  Sterling   Sep-11-09 10:44 AM   #98 
        - You keep saying "bounty." I do not think it means what you think it does.  PVnRT   Sep-10-09 11:13 AM   #90 
     - Of course it's legal. Sacking is part of the game to which Vick consents when he takes the field.nt  Romulox   Sep-09-09 04:51 PM   #43 
     - Of course it is, sacks are a part of football.  LeftyMom   Sep-09-09 05:59 PM   #76 
  - Sack this cruel, heartless bastard and leave him on the field like the sack of shit he is. rec'd  williesgirl   Sep-09-09 02:53 PM   #9 
  - It would be great if this caught on in every NFL city  Missy Vixen   Sep-09-09 02:54 PM   #10 
  - K&R  SammyWinstonJack   Sep-09-09 03:03 PM   #11 
  - K&R  Canuckistanian   Sep-09-09 03:26 PM   #14 
  - Punish Violence With Violence. What a Compassionate Idea!  Toasterlad   Sep-09-09 03:26 PM   #15 
  - If it's part and parcel of every NFL game, how precisely is it punishment?  LanternWaste   Sep-09-09 03:42 PM   #19 
  - Hitting Someone For Any Other Reason Than to Win the Game Is Inethical In Football  Toasterlad   Sep-09-09 04:25 PM   #22 
     - There isn't anything causal about this. Players aren't going to tackle him  Critters2   Sep-09-09 04:28 PM   #24 
     - Offering An Incentive For One Man To Hurt Another Man Is Morally Reprehensible.  Toasterlad   Sep-09-09 04:36 PM   #26 
     - It's called boxing  The Straight Story   Sep-09-09 04:37 PM   #27 
     - Boxing Is a Sport, Albeit a Stupid One. Football Is a Sport, Albeit a Violent One.  Toasterlad   Sep-09-09 04:41 PM   #29 
        - They are gonna knock on his ass anyway, kind of like some baseball stuff here  The Straight Story   Sep-09-09 04:44 PM   #33 
        - They Are Getting Paid To Play The Game. They Are Not Getting Paid To Hurt Vick.  Toasterlad   Sep-09-09 04:47 PM   #37 
           - It didn't say hurt, it says sack/tackle - which they do in the game  The Straight Story   Sep-09-09 04:50 PM   #38 
        - Players will knock Vick (and every other QB) on his ass to gain ball possession and  petronius   Sep-09-09 06:13 PM   #78 
     - So the NFL teams don't actually pay their defense players?  flvegan   Sep-09-09 04:40 PM   #28 
     - They're Not Getting Paid to Hurt People. They're Getting Paid to Play the Game.  Toasterlad   Sep-09-09 04:42 PM   #30 
        - It's an offer given every time he's sacked.  flvegan   Sep-09-09 05:04 PM   #57 
        - He Wouldn't Catch The Ball Unless He Was BRIBED!  Ignis   Sep-09-09 05:06 PM   #60 
        - Can we call that offer a "bounty" too?  flvegan   Sep-09-09 05:08 PM   #61 
           - Only if catching the ball hurts his hands, I guess.  Ignis   Sep-09-09 05:13 PM   #64 
        - Fine With Me? No.  Toasterlad   Sep-09-09 05:13 PM   #65 
           - Who is intentionally hurting anyone?  flvegan   Sep-09-09 05:18 PM   #67 
              - Okay, We're Done.  Toasterlad   Sep-09-09 05:24 PM   #70 
                 - Okay, but  flvegan   Sep-09-09 05:37 PM   #74 
                 - You're the one sticking fingers in your ears  PVnRT   Sep-10-09 11:24 AM   #91 
        - They play to win for sure but....  Sterling   Sep-11-09 10:51 AM   #99 
     - It's not offering an incentive. The players get no reward. Being hit in football  Critters2   Sep-09-09 04:42 PM   #31 
     - Last I Checked, Snow Couldn't Be Bribed to Fall.  Toasterlad   Sep-09-09 04:46 PM   #36 
     - The thing is, defensive players are SUPPOSED  Pharlo   Sep-10-09 12:00 PM   #92 
     - Not quite right  MattBaggins   Sep-09-09 04:57 PM   #50 
        - Great. Take it to court. Let us know how that works out for ya.  Critters2   Sep-09-09 04:59 PM   #52 
        - Laughable.  flvegan   Sep-09-09 05:06 PM   #59 
     - You mean like an NFL contract? Too silly. nt  Romulox   Sep-09-09 04:53 PM   #46 
     - Exactly. nt  blondeatlast   Sep-09-09 04:50 PM   #40 
     - That may be true but you can not guarantee his safety  MattBaggins   Sep-09-09 04:51 PM   #41 
        - Except that getting hit is part of Vick's job.  Coventina   Sep-10-09 10:48 AM   #86 
     - If sacking = hitting, ask the NFL to outlaw sacking.  Ignis   Sep-09-09 04:51 PM   #42 
     - I Wasn't Aware That I Had a Jihad Against Anyone But Homo-Haters.  Toasterlad   Sep-09-09 04:56 PM   #48 
        - So, sacking is a special kind of pain? QB pain is magically worse?  Ignis   Sep-09-09 05:02 PM   #55 
     - Hitting someone legally almost ALWAYS helps a team win a football game.  Romulox   Sep-09-09 04:52 PM   #45 
     - A member of the defense will sack him so dogfood will be donated????  LanternWaste   Sep-09-09 04:59 PM   #53 
     - Yeah, I'm sure that'll be at the forefront of their minds.  Ignis   Sep-09-09 05:04 PM   #56 
     - Maybe the Eagles should donate 10 sacks of dog food for every player  petronius   Sep-09-09 07:43 PM   #81 
     - You really think that DTs DEs LBs only make sacks to win the game?  Sterling   Sep-11-09 10:41 AM   #97 
  - No different than any other fund-raiser tied to sports.  AngryOldDem   Sep-09-09 03:46 PM   #21 
  - Have you ever seen an actual football game? nt  Critters2   Sep-09-09 04:56 PM   #49 
  - For someone as concerned about violence as you are, I'm surprised  Coventina   Sep-10-09 10:50 AM   #87 
  - Yesss!!!!  DebbieCDC   Sep-09-09 03:26 PM   #16 
  - This is a great idea, we should make this common throughout the NFL  MadHound   Sep-09-09 03:38 PM   #18 
  - Tee-rific!  AngryOldDem   Sep-09-09 03:43 PM   #20 
  - Oh hell yes! knr  Mari333   Sep-09-09 04:53 PM   #47 
  - big smile  proud patriot   Sep-09-09 05:14 PM   #66 
  - Wonderful Idea!  proteus_lives   Sep-09-09 05:45 PM   #75 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-09-09 06:13 PM   #77 
     - Yeah, that's the same thing.  proteus_lives   Sep-09-09 06:19 PM   #79 
        - He has been convicted and served his sentence.  Thothmes   Sep-09-09 06:48 PM   #80 
  - wow sounds like they hate animals  Johonny   Sep-10-09 10:14 AM   #83 
  - Donavan McNabb is the QB for the PHI Eagles.  Iggo   Sep-10-09 10:26 AM   #84 
  - Michael Vick was also plays for Philly this year.  ladywnch   Sep-11-09 10:54 AM   #100 
     - The backup QB (Vick) almost never sees the field.  Iggo   Sep-11-09 02:11 PM   #101 
  - Great idea.  Vidar   Sep-10-09 10:35 AM   #85 
  - Great Idea!  KittyWampus   Sep-10-09 10:51 AM   #88 

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