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Dogtown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 01:51 PM
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30. The Court is wrong
Edited on Wed Sep-09-09 01:52 PM by Dogtown
and disingenuous.

If corporations are "persons", then some (with the appropriate "birth certificates") must also be citizens. By that logic, they should be allowed to cast a vote.

The comparison is silly, and is legalistic subterfuge used to justify allowing corporations to influence and control government, essentially robbing us of our votes.

Until Americans are willing to act as if this were truly the "home of the brave", we will continue to be chattel. I don't see that actually happening.

America is overdue for Balkanization. I'm beginning to believe it's inevitable, and that we'll see it soon.
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  -no difference between a human and a corporation Fresh_Start  Sep-09-09 12:54 PM   #0 
  - Hell, when was the last time a Corporation paid taxes?  Wickerman   Sep-09-09 12:55 PM   #1 
  - Corporate personhood is a legal fiction.  PDJane   Sep-09-09 12:56 PM   #2 
  - Yes. Those a-holes are pleading Freedom of Speech when they really want  BrklynLiberal   Sep-09-09 01:04 PM   #6 
  - +1  OmmmSweetOmmm   Sep-09-09 01:54 PM   #32 
  - None of that disqualifies a corporation from "personhood"...  armyowalgreens   Sep-09-09 12:57 PM   #3 
  - all of us human beings share more characteristics  Fresh_Start   Sep-09-09 01:21 PM   #10 
     - I'm not disagreeing with you. I just think you're argument is weak.  armyowalgreens   Sep-09-09 01:23 PM   #11 
        - His argument (when distilled) is that a human being is mortal, a "corporate person" is not...nt  Romulox   Sep-09-09 01:25 PM   #14 
           - Corporations are neither mortal nor immortal. They are not living beings...  armyowalgreens   Sep-09-09 01:26 PM   #15 
              - definition, they are not mortal...  Romulox   Sep-09-09 01:28 PM   #17 
                 - That's why I said that they are not living beings, first.  armyowalgreens   Sep-09-09 01:29 PM   #19 
                    - The law currently treats corporations as "persons", though they are patently not.  Romulox   Sep-09-09 01:37 PM   #22 
  - This is exactly the kind of ruling the RW Conservatives and other wackos have been waiting for  BrklynLiberal   Sep-09-09 12:58 PM   #4 
  - Not sure if I can see where you are going...  DeadEyeDyck   Sep-09-09 01:00 PM   #5 
  - The point is that since a corporation is made up of stockholders, they do not have the right  BrklynLiberal   Sep-09-09 01:08 PM   #7 
  - No, you are not the corporation and the corporation isn't you  TheKentuckian   Sep-09-09 01:08 PM   #8 
  - each of those people individually have rights  Fresh_Start   Sep-09-09 01:18 PM   #9 
  - Corporations should still have certain rights. Just as other groups have rights.  armyowalgreens   Sep-09-09 01:24 PM   #13 
     - A corp is entitled to the legal rights that incorporation bestows upon it, but NOT  BrklynLiberal   Sep-09-09 01:39 PM   #23 
        - Relax, I never said a corporation was a person.  armyowalgreens   Sep-09-09 02:54 PM   #40 
  - You're wrong. Our court has held that corporations are "persons" under the law.  Romulox   Sep-09-09 01:26 PM   #16 
  - The Court is wrong  Dogtown   Sep-09-09 01:51 PM   #30 
  - Agreed. nt  Romulox   Sep-09-09 03:30 PM   #41 
  - Nope. You are wrong. That is not truly "settled" law.  BrklynLiberal   Sep-09-09 01:59 PM   #35 
     - LOL. It's "settled law" until the Court reverses itself.  Romulox   Sep-09-09 03:30 PM   #42 
  - you, a person, holds stock in a corporation. the corporation isn't a person.  Hannah Bell   Sep-09-09 01:29 PM   #20 
  - Then, as an owner of the company, if they do something illegal  Ikonoklast   Sep-09-09 01:30 PM   #21 
     - yes, thats exactly my concern  Fresh_Start   Sep-09-09 01:41 PM   #24 
        - If more rights are granted to corporations, then more 'personal responsibilty' should be  Ikonoklast   Sep-09-09 01:47 PM   #27 
           - I would bet a lot of money, if I had it, that those that are fighting for the rights  BrklynLiberal   Sep-09-09 02:04 PM   #39 
  - It suits their agenda of pushing corporatism  LatteLibertine   Sep-09-09 01:23 PM   #12 
  - Corporations cannot vote. They cannot run for office. They are legal fictions. nt  bemildred   Sep-09-09 01:28 PM   #18 
  - Nothing new, not a brainstorm of Scalia's....  Davis_X_Machina   Sep-09-09 01:43 PM   #25 
  - yes, I believe that ruling basically set the stage for most  Fresh_Start   Sep-09-09 01:45 PM   #26 
  - Well, it's stare decisis of a sort...  Davis_X_Machina   Sep-09-09 01:51 PM   #29 
  - Not truly "settled" law..  BrklynLiberal   Sep-09-09 01:56 PM   #33 
     - Dicta + the passage of time = precedent...  Davis_X_Machina   Sep-09-09 02:00 PM   #37 
  - When Is a Corporation Like a Freed Slave?  BrklynLiberal   Sep-09-09 01:50 PM   #28 
  - Al Gore had a piece on the juridical personhood...  Davis_X_Machina   Sep-09-09 01:53 PM   #31 
     - Gee...You wonder if it has anything to do with the corporate dominance of govt???  BrklynLiberal   Sep-09-09 01:58 PM   #34 
  - Republicans are exactly the type of people who ought to be against this  YoungAndOutraged   Sep-09-09 02:00 PM   #36 
     - It is called hypocrisy. Ted Olson pleaded in support of McCain/Feingold when shit-for-brains was  BrklynLiberal   Sep-09-09 02:03 PM   #38 

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