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Tue Sep-08-09 08:53 PM
Response to Reply #114 |
| 115. I will post, but I must be careful about it now. |
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I know what you are saying. It is not discouragement keeping me down. It is other stuff.
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| -Arne Duncan wants "very high bar to entry" into charter schools. |
madfloridian |
Sep-07-09 08:31 PM |
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K&R |
Orwellian_Ghost |
Sep-07-09 08:33 PM |
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But wait, I thought that charter schools were just like public schools |
MadHound |
Sep-07-09 08:35 PM |
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Well, I used his own words. |
madfloridian |
Sep-07-09 08:36 PM |
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Article On Duncan: |
Dinger |
Sep-07-09 09:59 PM |
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Wow, there is a lot packed into that article. |
madfloridian |
Sep-07-09 10:25 PM |
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the teachers' salaries, credentials, & ability to participate in collective bargaining... |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-07-09 10:55 PM |
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I have a question. |
alstephenson |
Sep-08-09 01:52 PM |
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as usual, big up.....you should replace that clown Duncan |
Gabi Hayes |
Sep-07-09 08:35 PM |
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There are many parents of charter school students who would disagree. |
alstephenson |
Sep-08-09 01:53 PM |
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the charter schools that are 'succeeding' are a very small minority, for starters. |
Gabi Hayes |
Sep-08-09 05:25 PM |
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Yup. It's a racket. |
omega minimo |
Sep-07-09 08:36 PM |
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Money money...who gets the 10 billion he has in his hand? |
madfloridian |
Sep-07-09 08:46 PM |
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Obama's pet wants to skim students - just like racist private schools do. nice nt |
msongs |
Sep-07-09 08:36 PM |
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Sep-08-09 01:06 PM |
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There seems to be no stopping the corporate take over of |
ipaint |
Sep-07-09 08:43 PM |
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That would be... |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-07-09 10:49 PM |
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Replace with Democrats and knock off party. n/t. |
ipaint |
Sep-07-09 10:58 PM |
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Jonathan Kozol was on C-Span yesterday and spoke of them with dripping contempt |
eleny |
Sep-07-09 08:50 PM |
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I am as unenamoured of charter schools as you are but you are seriously misquoting Duncan here |
dsc |
Sep-07-09 08:56 PM |
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No no no...I am quoting Duncan EXACTLY...here are the words again. |
madfloridian |
Sep-07-09 09:00 PM |
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dsc is right, you're misreading that. |
LeftyMom |
Sep-07-09 09:03 PM |
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Those are his words. Deny them if you feel you must. |
madfloridian |
Sep-07-09 09:19 PM |
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Sep-07-09 09:25 PM |
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Those are his words, yes, but YOUR way of taking them is NOT what those words mean. |
George II |
Sep-07-09 10:39 PM |
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i believe in this case he's talking about the school management, not the kids. |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-07-09 11:14 PM |
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None of it matters now. |
madfloridian |
Sep-08-09 12:15 AM |
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why? |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-08-09 05:10 AM |
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The chance to educate is a scared obligation |
dsc |
Sep-07-09 09:07 PM |
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The use of the word "entry" tells us what he means. |
madfloridian |
Sep-07-09 09:21 PM |
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entry into the education market |
dsc |
Sep-07-09 09:24 PM |
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That is your interpretation. |
madfloridian |
Sep-07-09 09:25 PM |
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the flowers refer to the schools not the students |
dsc |
Sep-07-09 09:33 PM |
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. |
George II |
Sep-07-09 10:45 PM |
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I agree with dsc. |
alstephenson |
Sep-08-09 01:57 PM |
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It's a quote from Mao Zedong |
wickerwoman |
Sep-08-09 05:36 PM |
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I almost always support you, madfloridian, but I think that dsc is right on |
amandabeech |
Sep-09-09 10:56 PM |
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Ok, then what is your interpretation of what he meant by "entry"? You haven't articulated that here. |
George II |
Sep-07-09 10:42 PM |
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Dupe delete |
madfloridian |
Sep-07-09 09:00 PM |
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I didn't read it that way. |
ipaint |
Sep-07-09 09:02 PM |
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Yes, cherry picking does help. |
madfloridian |
Sep-07-09 09:23 PM |
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I agree. The bar refers to the charter schools, rather than the students. nt |
Barack_America |
Sep-08-09 02:05 PM |
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broken record here, but remember the exceptions |
zazen |
Sep-07-09 09:01 PM |
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I never said they were all bad. It is my money paying for them. |
madfloridian |
Sep-07-09 09:03 PM |
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But in other discussions you claim that it is CORPORATE money that is paying for them! |
George II |
Sep-07-09 10:58 PM |
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They are using my money to turn it over to corporate control. Why do you do this, George? |
madfloridian |
Sep-07-09 11:03 PM |
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Let me turn that question around....when it comes to the Obama Adiministration and Arne Duncan... |
George II |
Sep-07-09 11:07 PM |
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My tax money that used to go to public schools is now going to charter schools. |
madfloridian |
Sep-07-09 11:11 PM |
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First, a very small minority of charter schools are "managed" by private groups and "companies"... |
George II |
Sep-07-09 11:19 PM |
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You are giving an on the surface accounting. You rely heavily on charter school sources |
madfloridian |
Sep-07-09 11:27 PM |
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You are mixing me up with someone else...... |
George II |
Sep-07-09 11:33 PM |
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I am anti-AFT, but I was union in every way. All unions are not the same. |
madfloridian |
Sep-07-09 11:39 PM |
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Why are you anti-AFT? The AFT was a pioneer in organizing teachers and are probably... |
George II |
Sep-07-09 11:47 PM |
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The NEA is older and nearlyt 4 times larger. |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-08-09 04:49 PM |
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I didn't say they were the oldest, did I? And.... |
George II |
Sep-09-09 10:20 PM |
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Oh, by the way. |
alstephenson |
Sep-08-09 02:03 PM |
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It's not Walmart. |
alstephenson |
Sep-08-09 02:01 PM |
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12 to over 20%, depending on the source. neither % is "a very small minority". |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-08-09 05:12 AM |
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Tell that to McGovern and Mondale and Goldwater...they got way more than 20% of the vote... |
George II |
Sep-09-09 10:27 PM |
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Requiring transportation excludes poor families. |
ipaint |
Sep-07-09 09:07 PM |
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K & R So I Can Read This Later |
Dinger |
Sep-07-09 09:05 PM |
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Will be thinking of you. Best to both of you. |
madfloridian |
Sep-07-09 09:22 PM |
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Thanks |
Dinger |
Sep-07-09 09:23 PM |
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Newt Gingrich is getting his long time dream of charter schools.... |
madfloridian |
Sep-07-09 09:42 PM |
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What does Newt Gingrich have to do with this? Do you think dragging his name into this... |
George II |
Sep-07-09 11:00 PM |
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because gingrich is a long-standing advocate, as she said. |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-07-09 11:17 PM |
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OK, why is Newt Gingrich singled out? For the dramatic effect? |
George II |
Sep-07-09 11:25 PM |
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Because I chose to post other items. You need to calm down. |
madfloridian |
Sep-07-09 11:31 PM |
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Yes, you chose to post oher items... |
George II |
Sep-07-09 11:37 PM |
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With my tax money, and I disapprove. Why are you doing this? |
madfloridian |
Sep-07-09 11:42 PM |
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You know that is not true.. |
George II |
Sep-07-09 11:52 PM |
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Gingrich is touring with Arne to push charter schools. |
madfloridian |
Sep-07-09 11:30 PM |
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As is Al Sharpton. Maybe they're achieving the dream of..... |
George II |
Sep-07-09 11:41 PM |
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Ah, I get it now. |
madfloridian |
Sep-07-09 11:45 PM |
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I am an advocate for better education for America's children, not necessarily.. |
George II |
Sep-07-09 11:51 PM |
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Sharpton has 500,000 reasons to team up with the privatization movement. |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-08-09 02:11 AM |
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no, sharpton's being paid. |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-08-09 06:01 AM |
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Maybe you need to review some of your critical thinking tools |
frazzled |
Sep-07-09 09:44 PM |
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Part of it refers to operators, yes. But not the high bar part. |
madfloridian |
Sep-07-09 09:45 PM |
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No, the whole passage is in reference to the operators of charter schools |
frazzled |
Sep-07-09 09:55 PM |
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jeez |
paulsby |
Sep-07-09 09:57 PM |
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It's obvious that he referring to the bar set for people opening and teaching in charter schools |
ipaint |
Sep-07-09 10:02 PM |
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So much for the slogan "No Child Left Behind" |
rucky |
Sep-07-09 10:05 PM |
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Sep-07-09 10:09 PM |
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"There should be a very high bar to entry" |
madfloridian |
Sep-07-09 10:33 PM |
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I caught that... |
rucky |
Sep-07-09 10:49 PM |
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And for all the critical thinkers here what is the difference |
ipaint |
Sep-07-09 10:13 PM |
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So charter schools are basically prep schools? |
GreenPartyVoter |
Sep-07-09 10:27 PM |
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Charter schools are whatever keeps themselves profitable. |
rucky |
Sep-07-09 10:51 PM |
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Fuck Arne. |
roody |
Sep-07-09 10:29 PM |
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You don't leave it alone do you? |
George II |
Sep-07-09 10:37 PM |
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Duncan and Chicago |
ipaint |
Sep-07-09 10:54 PM |
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It's going to be a tangled mess before it's over. It's going to hurt us badly. |
madfloridian |
Sep-07-09 10:58 PM |
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he is co-opting the revolution... |
madrchsod |
Sep-07-09 10:55 PM |
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This is utterly RIDICULOUS!!! |
George II |
Sep-07-09 10:56 PM |
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You need to stop shouting at me. That school has been different things. |
madfloridian |
Sep-07-09 11:06 PM |
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So what you're saying is that a student of yours was sent to traditional public school.... |
George II |
Sep-07-09 11:11 PM |
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Why are you doing this? |
madfloridian |
Sep-07-09 11:29 PM |
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Um, yeah. |
alstephenson |
Sep-08-09 02:16 PM |
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So you're saying Obama's plan and Arnie's road show IS about forcing CHARTER schools on the public |
omega minimo |
Sep-07-09 11:22 PM |
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You missed the point of that post...... |
George II |
Sep-07-09 11:28 PM |
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Not at all. You can't have it both ways. Too bad. |
omega minimo |
Sep-08-09 12:18 AM |
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Thanks. Thread after thread after thread. |
madfloridian |
Sep-07-09 11:32 PM |
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Sep-08-09 12:16 AM |
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If the same ones at DU discredit me....there will be others along to post |
madfloridian |
Sep-07-09 11:02 PM |
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source of confusion may be the Title I distinction of "School of Choice" |
salin |
Sep-07-09 11:20 PM |
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I taught in a Title I school. |
madfloridian |
Sep-07-09 11:36 PM |
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More about students expelled from charters, or not accepted because of disabilities. |
madfloridian |
Sep-07-09 11:22 PM |
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Dear George. About that Obama hate you say I have. |
madfloridian |
Sep-08-09 01:11 AM |
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Separate and unequal... Remember that? |
JCMach1 |
Sep-08-09 05:24 AM |
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Charters = robbing public education |
placton |
Sep-08-09 10:10 AM |
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From 2003...doing the same thing over and over and thinking it will work. |
madfloridian |
Sep-08-09 02:21 PM |
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That 'bar' better come with some very high teacher salaries. |
Fire1 |
Sep-08-09 04:42 PM |
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For some reason I feel reluctant to trust Duncan any further than I could throw him. |
BrklynLiberal |
Sep-08-09 05:37 PM |
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First, Arne, go back to grad school and become a certified administrator, |
DailyGrind51 |
Sep-08-09 06:04 PM |
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Here madfloridan - in case anyone here |
waiting for hope |
Sep-08-09 08:10 PM |
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Thanks, but I will post very carefully about charter schools from now on. |
madfloridian |
Sep-08-09 08:35 PM |
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Remember a few years ago when |
waiting for hope |
Sep-08-09 08:51 PM |
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I will post, but I must be careful about it now. |
madfloridian |
Sep-08-09 08:53 PM |
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It took me a while to read the whole thread but |
erinlough |
Sep-08-09 09:15 PM |
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I am getting a couple of posts together about Florida and this issue. |
madfloridian |
Sep-08-09 09:28 PM |
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I gave up fighting about it... |
erinlough |
Sep-08-09 09:35 PM |
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Duncan has to go and so does all this testing |
emsimon33 |
Sep-08-09 11:05 PM |
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Kicking Again |
Dinger |
Sep-09-09 08:24 PM |
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Keep up posted. Thoughts going out to you. |
madfloridian |
Sep-09-09 10:28 PM |
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