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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 09:52 AM
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140. Can't get too fired up over this.
Most schools now are accessible in part -- or only accessible -- via busy routes. There would be no way in hell that I would allow my kids to bike to school. Then or now.

That said, I think sidewalks on both sides of the street should be mandatory around the perimeter of a school, including adjacent side streets. We lived behind a school that was on a relatively busy road and there was only one sidewalk on the school side. No sidewalk on the opposite side, and as a consequence, a kid who lived directly across the street from the school had to be dropped off by bus because it was too dangerous to let him walk across the street (his mom walked him over in the mornings). My kids walked to school but our street did not have sidewalks and drivers used it as a shortcut to get around an extremely busy intersection about a half-mile east of the school. Some drivers drove like bats out of hell, and of course a lot of school buses drove down the road as well.

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  -More schools ban BIKING to school The Straight Story  Sep-06-09 11:00 AM   #0 
  - and yet they bemoan childhood obesity  NMDemDist2   Sep-06-09 11:02 AM   #1 
  - And this is how we get fat kids...  LittleOne   Sep-06-09 11:04 AM   #2 
  - Nanny State.  enlightenment   Sep-06-09 11:07 AM   #3 
  - It's not about the "nanny state."  LWolf   Sep-06-09 12:25 PM   #27 
  - Your argument obliquely reminds of  Trillo   Sep-06-09 01:06 PM   #35 
     - The Onion is often closer to reality than not,  LWolf   Sep-06-09 01:31 PM   #37 
        - "We could make school not mandatory; that would be bad for a representative democracy."  Trillo   Sep-06-09 04:29 PM   #98 
           - Science to back it up?  LWolf   Sep-07-09 09:39 AM   #128 
              - I understand your concern about politicization of fuzzy sciences,  Trillo   Sep-08-09 01:43 PM   #136 
                 - The key to your first paragraph  LWolf   Sep-09-09 07:53 AM   #139 
                    - You may believe whatever you want, but no, not "anti-school"  Trillo   Sep-09-09 05:37 PM   #158 
                       - I wasn't thinking that  LWolf   Sep-10-09 06:36 AM   #162 
  - Why liberal?  tabasco   Sep-06-09 02:16 PM   #45 
  - Liberal?  Xicano   Sep-09-09 06:08 PM   #161 
  - I only got hit by a car once while biking to school over a year as a ninth grader  stray cat   Sep-06-09 11:07 AM   #4 
  - I was only in two bus accidents  The Straight Story   Sep-06-09 11:09 AM   #5 
     - Sounds like a lousy bus driver  stray cat   Sep-06-09 11:12 AM   #7 
        - She also used to leave bible pamphlets on the bus  The Straight Story   Sep-06-09 11:18 AM   #11 
           - Man - What a disasterous driver! Now thats scary!  stray cat   Sep-06-09 11:21 AM   #13 
           - Now there's a woman who NEEDS to have God as her co-pilot.  SmileyRose   Sep-06-09 11:35 AM   #19 
           - Well, of course!  Sebastian Doyle   Sep-06-09 04:14 PM   #93 
              - It was a big deal!  Shell Beau   Sep-06-09 08:45 PM   #114 
  - So we have to find a way to protect schools from frivolous lawsuits.  SmileyRose   Sep-06-09 11:10 AM   #6 
  - Hanging a few frivolous lawyers would be a start.  Vidar   Sep-06-09 11:13 AM   #8 
  - Pass a law making it illegal  LWolf   Sep-06-09 12:38 PM   #29 
  - Frivolous suits rarely make it to trial. By bringing up and inflating the  alfredo   Sep-06-09 12:50 PM   #33 
     - Exactly - and how about telling people who serve on juries to use logic  treestar   Sep-09-09 11:08 AM   #147 
  - Neither of my daughters were allowed to walk or bike to school  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-06-09 11:16 AM   #9 
  - Crazy to ban bikes or walking but sometimes insane to bike or walk  stray cat   Sep-06-09 11:17 AM   #10 
  - Yup. I banned myself from biking...  GoCubsGo   Sep-06-09 12:56 PM   #34 
  - yep, I've nearly been hit several times  a la izquierda   Sep-07-09 09:53 AM   #129 
  - Here in which "South"?  taterguy   Sep-10-09 04:13 PM   #164 
  - Just saw on the news- a bicyclist got hit by a car and died.  LisaL   Sep-07-09 02:10 AM   #125 
  - Crazy to have roads without walkable shoulders -- that's the first problem.  Gormy Cuss   Sep-09-09 10:46 AM   #141 
  - Plus we're too far spread out...  mwooldri   Sep-10-09 06:59 AM   #163 
  - Well, since exercise apparently has no bearing on your waistline....  Edweird   Sep-06-09 11:20 AM   #12 
  - When I see people biking in traffic, many a time not even  LisaL   Sep-06-09 11:22 AM   #14 
  - And then there's Boulder  abumbyanyothername   Sep-06-09 11:28 AM   #15 
  - Why would schools get law suits over kids being hit by cars?  Lost-in-FL   Sep-06-09 11:30 AM   #16 
  - If you can sue a McDonalds over spilled coffee... Well...  LisaL   Sep-06-09 11:34 AM   #17 
  - or gaining weight...  Lost-in-FL   Sep-06-09 11:42 AM   #20 
  - Or sue McDonald's for selling superheated coffee  gratuitous   Sep-06-09 12:02 PM   #22 
  - yeah, I really hate when people pull that one out...  Salviati   Sep-06-09 12:15 PM   #24 
  - Sigh. Why are you introducing facts?  Jeep789   Sep-06-09 12:19 PM   #25 
  - Thank you. I've read the case - the injuries were very extreme. n/t  Ms. Toad   Sep-06-09 02:50 PM   #55 
  - McDonalds didn't tell her to put the cup where she put it, I presume.  LisaL   Sep-06-09 03:30 PM   #60 
     - No - but (1) I can't begin to count the number of times I have  Ms. Toad   Sep-06-09 03:42 PM   #67 
        - Well I bet a lot of businesses are over compensating.  LisaL   Sep-06-09 04:18 PM   #94 
           - At home, you have control  Ms. Toad   Sep-06-09 06:08 PM   #103 
              - Ya Got That Right  RobinA   Sep-06-09 11:05 PM   #116 
  - Oh Christ, it's COFFEE, it's SUPPOSED to be HOT!!!  Odin2005   Sep-06-09 04:01 PM   #89 
  - Hot, yes. THIRD DEGREE BURN hot, no! n/t  iris27   Sep-06-09 04:19 PM   #95 
  - Blaming the victim, eh?  HiFructosePronSyrup   Sep-06-09 06:36 PM   #105 
     - You are correct.  Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin   Sep-06-09 08:35 PM   #111 
     - Proper extraction for coffee is 190 degrees  taught_me_patience   Sep-09-09 05:55 PM   #160 
  - My question about that whole lawsuit  The Straight Story   Sep-06-09 06:32 PM   #104 
     - At least 700 cases in the decade prior.  DefenseLawyer   Sep-06-09 08:16 PM   #107 
  - Please stop using Liebeck v. McDonalds as an example of a frivolous lawsuit  jmowreader   Sep-06-09 12:32 PM   #28 
  - Why did she put a coffee cup between her legs?  LisaL   Sep-06-09 01:59 PM   #41 
  - I like hot coffee, as well, and McDonald's coffee for the most part  Ms. Toad   Sep-06-09 02:55 PM   #56 
  - Your last sentence is what the schools are really afraid of  jmowreader   Sep-06-09 03:09 PM   #58 
     - Do you or do you not agree that it's better to be careful around  LisaL   Sep-06-09 03:20 PM   #59 
        - I agree that it's better to be careful around hot liquids  jmowreader   Sep-06-09 04:42 PM   #100 
           - How many people were killed by hot coffee vs. let's say car  LisaL   Sep-06-09 08:26 PM   #109 
              - How many people are SUPPOSED to be killed by hot coffee?  jmowreader   Sep-06-09 11:05 PM   #117 
                 - You can't possibly envision that a hot beverage could be  LisaL   Sep-07-09 02:15 AM   #126 
                    - I've never DRANK IT WHILE IT WAS FUCKING BOILING!!!  jmowreader   Sep-07-09 07:50 AM   #127 
  - The abuse of litigation is far more scalding than putting a searing hot cup of liquid between one's  Deja Q   Sep-06-09 04:08 PM   #92 
  - ...  Lost-in-FL   Sep-06-09 04:44 PM   #101 
  - McDonald's had been warned by burn units of the danger of the temperature of their coffee  laughingliberal   Sep-09-09 11:06 AM   #146 
  - Here's a little heads up.  DefenseLawyer   Sep-06-09 01:44 PM   #40 
  - I've been "educated" about McDonalds coffee case.  LisaL   Sep-06-09 02:01 PM   #42 
     - You drink 190 degree liquid?  DefenseLawyer   Sep-06-09 02:14 PM   #43 
        - I like to drink it close to boiling temperature.  LisaL   Sep-06-09 02:16 PM   #44 
           - sorry...gotta call bullshit on this one  ProdigalJunkMail   Sep-06-09 02:19 PM   #47 
              - I boil the water. I make tea. Then I drink it.  LisaL   Sep-06-09 02:23 PM   #49 
              - you put something over about 160 in your mouth and you  ProdigalJunkMail   Sep-06-09 02:24 PM   #50 
              - I am not peeling any skin off anything. I wasn't born yersterday.  LisaL   Sep-06-09 02:29 PM   #51 
                 - then you are wrong on the temp...physics is physics... n/t  ProdigalJunkMail   Sep-06-09 03:41 PM   #65 
                    - Physics is physics.  LisaL   Sep-06-09 03:46 PM   #74 
                       - They don't need to to cause damage  Posteritatis   Sep-06-09 03:49 PM   #76 
                       - Why don't you try it?  LisaL   Sep-06-09 03:51 PM   #79 
                          - Why should I need to?  Posteritatis   Sep-06-09 03:56 PM   #84 
                       - They actually can  jmowreader   Sep-06-09 11:10 PM   #118 
                          - Yea well I doubt McDonalds put salt in its coffee.  LisaL   Sep-07-09 02:07 AM   #123 
                          - Salt raises the boiling point of water only 2 degrees C.  immoderate   Sep-07-09 01:23 PM   #132 
              - You aren't drinking it at close to boiling temperature  Posteritatis   Sep-06-09 03:40 PM   #64 
                 - You don't drink hot liquids. You sip them slowly.  LisaL   Sep-06-09 03:42 PM   #66 
                    - and you don't pull any liquid into your mouth at the temps you claim  ProdigalJunkMail   Sep-06-09 03:43 PM   #70 
                    - I've not made any claims regarding the specific temperature.  LisaL   Sep-06-09 03:48 PM   #75 
                       - Except "I drink it close to boiling temperature," which you don't. (nt)  Posteritatis   Sep-06-09 03:50 PM   #77 
                       - Did I define "close?" How much is "close?"  LisaL   Sep-06-09 03:51 PM   #80 
                          - Is 150 -155 degrees close to boiling in your definition?  Gormy Cuss   Sep-09-09 11:18 AM   #151 
                       - "I drink it close to boiling..."  ProdigalJunkMail   Sep-06-09 03:53 PM   #82 
                          - The point is, when it's in the cup, it's hot enough to cause burns  LisaL   Sep-06-09 03:59 PM   #88 
                             - You really either don't understand the concept of liability  DefenseLawyer   Sep-07-09 12:29 AM   #120 
                                - Chainsaw could be a dangerous product even if there is nothing wrong  LisaL   Sep-07-09 02:08 AM   #124 
                                   - Are you refusing to answer my question?  DefenseLawyer   Sep-07-09 12:32 PM   #130 
                    - You aren't sipping anything near 190F either. (nt)  Posteritatis   Sep-06-09 03:43 PM   #71 
                       - I've no idea. I've never measured it.  LisaL   Sep-06-09 03:45 PM   #72 
              - Off topic: Hey PJM! I was just thinking about you the other day.  Coventina   Sep-07-09 12:53 PM   #131 
              - hello...sorry for the long time on the reply  ProdigalJunkMail   Sep-08-09 08:36 AM   #133 
                 - Hey, no need to apologize! I didn't check to see if you replied  Coventina   Sep-08-09 10:33 PM   #138 
              - Yes and McDonald's standard was to hold their coffee at 190 degrees  laughingliberal   Sep-09-09 11:12 AM   #150 
  - Resulted in a verdict for plaintiff  treestar   Sep-09-09 11:09 AM   #148 
  - Well, since they are not on school property I don't know why either  The Straight Story   Sep-06-09 11:34 AM   #18 
  - That would be logical.  LWolf   Sep-06-09 12:44 PM   #32 
     - Exactly, parents still sue  tammywammy   Sep-06-09 02:45 PM   #53 
        - There was a mess in my town about ten years back...  Posteritatis   Sep-06-09 03:43 PM   #69 
  - The main reason may well be ...  surrealAmerican   Sep-06-09 02:37 PM   #52 
  - Are you living in a bubble? Our society is so lawsuit-happy it's pathetic.  Odin2005   Sep-06-09 03:56 PM   #85 
  - Even if I was it is still ludicrous that the school would be responsible for that. nt  Lost-in-FL   Sep-06-09 04:50 PM   #102 
  - Any lawyer with a brain would sue the driver  treestar   Sep-09-09 10:55 AM   #143 
  - Encouraging kids to partake in an usafe activity.  Xithras   Sep-09-09 11:45 AM   #156 
  - My son has 2 daughters age 5&6 who walk 4 blocks to school everyday. He has  madmom   Sep-06-09 11:53 AM   #21 
  - OMG! 4 blocks! That's outrageous!  Rabrrrrrr   Sep-09-09 11:18 AM   #152 
  - Jesus fucking christ  harry_pothead   Sep-06-09 12:03 PM   #23 
  - uphill in both directions?  Retrograde   Sep-06-09 01:14 PM   #36 
  - Well, the alternative would be to make safer biking and  Jeep789   Sep-06-09 12:21 PM   #26 
  - Cut busing and ban biking?  rucky   Sep-06-09 12:38 PM   #30 
  - Insurance companies are doing this to cut their exposure.  alfredo   Sep-06-09 12:42 PM   #31 
  - Sneezing should be banned next, as it is an obvious health risk.  saltpoint   Sep-06-09 01:32 PM   #38 
  - Hell, we're trying to procure the $$ for another bike rack at my middle school.  Blue-Jay   Sep-06-09 01:37 PM   #39 
  - I rode a school bus for a couple of weeks once. That was more dangerous  yurbud   Sep-06-09 02:19 PM   #46 
  - why not just put a monitoring bracelet on pedophiles and a detector at school  yurbud   Sep-06-09 02:21 PM   #48 
  - What will you do about traffic?  LisaL   Sep-06-09 02:48 PM   #54 
  - Biking has been banned at our middle school for years  Ms. Toad   Sep-06-09 03:02 PM   #57 
  - How could it be any of a school's business what mode of transportation a child  RB TexLa   Sep-06-09 03:35 PM   #61 
  - If the school can be held liable over it, whose business should it be?  LisaL   Sep-06-09 03:37 PM   #62 
     - Then the child should just tell them, "No, I didn't ride my bike to school"  RB TexLa   Sep-06-09 03:39 PM   #63 
  - Liability...? What the hell?  DireStrike   Sep-06-09 03:42 PM   #68 
  - In a lot of places...  Posteritatis   Sep-06-09 03:46 PM   #73 
  - I don't understand the reasoning at ALL  DireStrike   Sep-06-09 03:53 PM   #83 
     - Most school administrators *are* terrified  Posteritatis   Sep-06-09 03:59 PM   #87 
        - Sounds like we need some new laws  DireStrike   Sep-06-09 04:20 PM   #96 
  - Are schools held liable for the bullies that run around on the bus, belittling and beating others?  Deja Q   Sep-06-09 04:06 PM   #91 
     - Depends on the district, doesn't it?  Posteritatis   Sep-06-09 04:22 PM   #97 
  - Portland is an incredibly bike-friendly city otherwise.  Quantess   Sep-06-09 03:51 PM   #78 
  - Lawyers, it's always the goddamn lawyers.  Odin2005   Sep-06-09 03:53 PM   #81 
  - Do you understand that juries decide tort cases?  Romulox   Sep-08-09 01:44 PM   #137 
  - Lawyers always have clients  treestar   Sep-09-09 11:02 AM   #144 
  - If a parent is driving their kid to school and they get into an accident  flvegan   Sep-06-09 03:57 PM   #86 
  - The basic idea of in loco parentis rules...  Posteritatis   Sep-06-09 04:29 PM   #99 
  - Logical. When I walked to school circa 5th grade (2 miles from home), mum and dad had reservations  Deja Q   Sep-06-09 04:04 PM   #90 
  - Just the first step into socialzing children into the car lifestyle.  Jkid   Sep-06-09 06:48 PM   #106 
  - This is terrible news. Fat children are such an eyesore. n/t  BOG PERSON   Sep-06-09 08:21 PM   #108 
  - That's why there are so many fat kids.  Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin   Sep-06-09 08:31 PM   #110 
  - And coming back for my second bachelor's, I'm just dusting off my bike and riding it.  backscatter712   Sep-06-09 08:40 PM   #112 
  - When our kids were younger they biked every day to school.  Dappleganger   Sep-06-09 08:44 PM   #113 
  - Are they going to bus them? Do they have the money to bus them? No. nt  Ilsa   Sep-06-09 08:56 PM   #115 
  - More..  theorys   Sep-06-09 11:20 PM   #119 
  - Well, this is asinine  krispos42   Sep-07-09 12:38 AM   #121 
  - O.F.F.S.  cliffordu   Sep-07-09 12:40 AM   #122 
  - Well in defense of what happened in NJ - their drivers are CRAZY  LynneSin   Sep-08-09 08:50 AM   #134 
  - I'm waiting for the day when safety bubbles are required school equipment. nt  Javaman   Sep-08-09 10:24 AM   #135 
  - Can't get too fired up over this.  AngryOldDem   Sep-09-09 09:52 AM   #140 
  - True, it just depends on the area, and some of these posts saying  treestar   Sep-09-09 11:11 AM   #149 
  - Our elementary school (Portland, Ore.) has been making a big push FOR walking/biking  Arugula Latte   Sep-09-09 10:53 AM   #142 
  - the lawsuit excuse is to hide some other reason  treestar   Sep-09-09 11:05 AM   #145 
  - Christ on a crutch, we are some stupid fucking people!  rd_kent   Sep-09-09 11:20 AM   #153 
  - Makes sense...gotta get 'em into our car-centered society when they're still young  Kievan Rus   Sep-09-09 11:29 AM   #154 
  - Sue happy? Nah...the problem seems to be parents needing an outlet for blame  TheKentuckian   Sep-09-09 11:33 AM   #155 
  - Theoretical question...  Xithras   Sep-09-09 12:02 PM   #157 
  - Ban cars too! ... and buses! ... ban poor people who can't afford jack! ... ban this! ... ban that!  Swamp Rat   Sep-09-09 05:46 PM   #159 

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