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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 05:21 AM
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70. Yes. A line must be drawn in the sand.
When the hell are Democrats in Congress going to realize their not having a polite disagreement with friends? This is god-damn war -- pure and simple. As long as the Democrats believe that they can reason with these inhumane bastards, they will continue to be beaten by the inhumane bastards.
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  -Should progressives kill health-insurance reform if there is no public option? kentuck  Sep-05-09 10:24 AM   #0 
  - it's hard to imagine that if they don't, anything even remotely "progressive" will ever come out  villager   Sep-05-09 10:26 AM   #1 
  - yes.  joeycola   Sep-05-09 10:27 AM   #2 
  - Without a public option it's just more money shoveled to insurance companies and  valerief   Sep-05-09 10:28 AM   #3 
  - Without a public option, it won't be reform.  rucky   Sep-05-09 10:29 AM   #4 
  - Absolutely.....  Bandit   Sep-05-09 10:30 AM   #5 
  - It really all comes down to what is on the bill.  Curtland1015   Sep-05-09 10:32 AM   #6 
  - Even if they add pre-existing conditions to coverage...?  kentuck   Sep-05-09 10:47 AM   #9 
     - Not much, unless there is a very smart bill written up.  Curtland1015   Sep-05-09 10:50 AM   #12 
  - They have already said they will, and they WILL.  harun   Sep-05-09 10:35 AM   #7 
  - No public option will probably = same old stuff.  RKP5637   Sep-05-09 10:45 AM   #8 
  - Welcome to DU.  Laelth   Sep-05-09 11:23 AM   #22 
     - Thanks!  RKP5637   Sep-05-09 11:28 AM   #26 
  - As much as I hate it  laughingliberal   Sep-05-09 10:47 AM   #10 
  - people who stand for nothing will fall for anything nt  msongs   Sep-05-09 10:49 AM   #11 
  - I have written my reps and told them as much.  Tim01   Sep-05-09 10:51 AM   #13 
  - Yes.  avaistheone1   Sep-05-09 10:52 AM   #14 
  - Yes.  TransitJohn   Sep-05-09 10:54 AM   #15 
  - Yes, because without the public option you are creating legislation that will do more harm than good  MadHound   Sep-05-09 10:58 AM   #16 
  - +1 n/t  Laelth   Sep-05-09 11:26 AM   #25 
  - Yes! This view needs to be reiterated ... Make Obama know that we DEMAND change ...  ShortnFiery   Sep-05-09 11:58 AM   #37 
  - Yes  Individualist   Sep-05-09 10:59 AM   #17 
  - I think the ultimate question must be:  kentuck   Sep-05-09 11:00 AM   #18 
  - No it wouldn't be a good bill  WyLoochka   Sep-05-09 12:00 PM   #38 
  - It doesn't MATTER if they cover pre-existing conditions if the premiums are so damn  ShortnFiery   Sep-05-09 12:00 PM   #39 
  - Yes! n/t  juno jones   Sep-05-09 11:12 AM   #19 
  - Absolutely. On this (and many other things) Bill Moyers was right.  Laelth   Sep-05-09 11:20 AM   #20 
  - If there are meaningful things in the bill  nevergiveup   Sep-05-09 11:22 AM   #21 
  - I think what we must be careful about is...  kentuck   Sep-05-09 11:25 AM   #24 
  - If what you say in your last sentence  nevergiveup   Sep-05-09 11:38 AM   #30 
  - Ah...reason.  jefferson_dem   Sep-05-09 12:25 PM   #51 
  - I really doubt the public option, especially the anemic versions of that proposal  man4allcats   Sep-05-09 11:24 AM   #23 
  - Yes. n/t  SpankMe   Sep-05-09 11:30 AM   #27 
  - YES!!! ....rec up to +5  bvar22   Sep-05-09 11:36 AM   #28 
  - Yes. Mostly because we need health CARE reform, not INSURANCE reform  jtrockville   Sep-05-09 11:38 AM   #29 
  - Yes, as they should kill any corporatist bill masquerading as "reform"  Faryn Balyncd   Sep-05-09 11:41 AM   #31 
  - If I thought the bill was a step in the right direction  laughingliberal   Sep-05-09 11:46 AM   #32 
  - Yes, but they won't  jgraz   Sep-05-09 11:48 AM   #33 
  - Good point. Progressives to commit to voting down a FINAL, post-conference bill that lacks a public  Faryn Balyncd   Sep-05-09 11:52 AM   #36 
  - YES! No Public option, No Bill! eom  ShortnFiery   Sep-05-09 11:48 AM   #34 
  - Yes! nt  jannyk   Sep-05-09 11:51 AM   #35 
  - Of course not.  jefferson_dem   Sep-05-09 12:01 PM   #40 
  - How do we know if it's "reform"?  kentuck   Sep-05-09 12:03 PM   #41 
     - It depends on the actual provisions in the bill.  jefferson_dem   Sep-05-09 12:20 PM   #49 
     - It's pretty clear that the only way to get to 60 votes is to ensure that it's not real reform. If  Bonn1997   Sep-06-09 06:08 AM   #75 
  - Without a Public Option it is not reform.  GrantDem   Sep-05-09 12:03 PM   #42 
  - Maybe  Neecy   Sep-05-09 12:04 PM   #43 
  - They should kill it if there is no STRONG Public Option. nt  patrice   Sep-05-09 12:09 PM   #44 
  - after reading Matt Taibbi's article Sick and Wrong -- I say YES, it's our responsibility to stop it.  nashville_brook   Sep-05-09 12:11 PM   #45 
  - Yes.  alittlelark   Sep-05-09 12:12 PM   #46 
  - Yes.  Blue_In_AK   Sep-05-09 12:13 PM   #47 
  - That depends.  ElboRuum   Sep-05-09 12:14 PM   #48 
  - they fucking BETTER!  TorchTheWitch   Sep-05-09 12:21 PM   #50 
  - The way I see it, they (Capitalists, HC Industry, Corporations,  bluesmail   Sep-05-09 12:26 PM   #52 
  - yes. nt.  t0dd   Sep-05-09 12:31 PM   #53 
  - Yes. n/t  Mojambo   Sep-05-09 12:31 PM   #54 
  - No  Juche   Sep-05-09 12:32 PM   #55 
  - Am undecided. We definitely should be discussing pros & cons.  philly_bob   Sep-05-09 12:38 PM   #56 
  - Yes, absolutely.  Left coast liberal   Sep-05-09 12:51 PM   #57 
  - Well capitulation does not seem to have worked  booley   Sep-05-09 01:01 PM   #58 
  - Just say NO to any non-reform "reform".  kath   Sep-05-09 01:09 PM   #59 
  - yes, yes, yes, - it will be a disaster  scentopine   Sep-05-09 08:26 PM   #60 
  - No, this can be done in phases  usregimechange   Sep-05-09 08:51 PM   #61 
  - here's how I think the phases will go with history as my guide  scentopine   Sep-05-09 11:04 PM   #68 
  - yes...and I'm sad to say that. But, at some point Democrats need to take a stand  KoKo   Sep-05-09 09:00 PM   #62 
  - Don't let the barely tolerable be the enemy of the completely shitty  WeDidIt   Sep-05-09 09:01 PM   #63 
  - False reform is WORSE than the status quo  Sebastian Doyle   Sep-05-09 09:03 PM   #64 
  - Are there any reasons for NOT killing a bad bill?  bobbolink   Sep-05-09 09:05 PM   #65 
  - Yes.  David Zephyr   Sep-05-09 09:30 PM   #66 
  - Oh hell yes.  bemildred   Sep-05-09 09:36 PM   #67 
  - If they make insurance inclusive, prevent rejection of claims and cap premiums  andym   Sep-06-09 12:22 AM   #69 
  - Yes. A line must be drawn in the sand.  Stand and Fight   Sep-06-09 05:21 AM   #70 
  - Yes it is .....  gleaner   Sep-06-09 05:34 AM   #71 
  - The time has come for real health care reform! Also time to  B Calm   Sep-06-09 05:34 AM   #72 
  - yep!  Lorax7844   Sep-06-09 05:41 AM   #73 
     - No public option kill it, and turn around and pass real campaign  B Calm   Sep-06-09 05:58 AM   #74 
  - How about since progressives are the vast majority we step up  depakid   Sep-06-09 06:15 AM   #76 
  - Yes. Without a Public Option, it's already dead.  WyoHiker   Sep-06-09 09:36 AM   #77 
  - Absolutely.  JVS   Sep-06-09 09:40 AM   #78 
 

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