Laelth
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Sat Sep-05-09 11:26 AM
Response to Reply #16 |
| -Should progressives kill health-insurance reform if there is no public option? |
kentuck |
Sep-05-09 10:24 AM |
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it's hard to imagine that if they don't, anything even remotely "progressive" will ever come out |
villager |
Sep-05-09 10:26 AM |
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yes. |
joeycola |
Sep-05-09 10:27 AM |
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Without a public option it's just more money shoveled to insurance companies and |
valerief |
Sep-05-09 10:28 AM |
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Without a public option, it won't be reform. |
rucky |
Sep-05-09 10:29 AM |
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Absolutely..... |
Bandit |
Sep-05-09 10:30 AM |
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It really all comes down to what is on the bill. |
Curtland1015 |
Sep-05-09 10:32 AM |
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Even if they add pre-existing conditions to coverage...? |
kentuck |
Sep-05-09 10:47 AM |
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Not much, unless there is a very smart bill written up. |
Curtland1015 |
Sep-05-09 10:50 AM |
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They have already said they will, and they WILL. |
harun |
Sep-05-09 10:35 AM |
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No public option will probably = same old stuff. |
RKP5637 |
Sep-05-09 10:45 AM |
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Welcome to DU. |
Laelth |
Sep-05-09 11:23 AM |
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Thanks! |
RKP5637 |
Sep-05-09 11:28 AM |
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As much as I hate it |
laughingliberal |
Sep-05-09 10:47 AM |
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people who stand for nothing will fall for anything nt |
msongs |
Sep-05-09 10:49 AM |
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I have written my reps and told them as much. |
Tim01 |
Sep-05-09 10:51 AM |
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Yes. |
avaistheone1 |
Sep-05-09 10:52 AM |
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Yes. |
TransitJohn |
Sep-05-09 10:54 AM |
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Yes, because without the public option you are creating legislation that will do more harm than good |
MadHound |
Sep-05-09 10:58 AM |
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+1 n/t |
Laelth |
Sep-05-09 11:26 AM |
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Yes! This view needs to be reiterated ... Make Obama know that we DEMAND change ... |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-05-09 11:58 AM |
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Yes |
Individualist |
Sep-05-09 10:59 AM |
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I think the ultimate question must be: |
kentuck |
Sep-05-09 11:00 AM |
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No it wouldn't be a good bill |
WyLoochka |
Sep-05-09 12:00 PM |
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It doesn't MATTER if they cover pre-existing conditions if the premiums are so damn |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-05-09 12:00 PM |
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Yes! n/t |
juno jones |
Sep-05-09 11:12 AM |
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Absolutely. On this (and many other things) Bill Moyers was right. |
Laelth |
Sep-05-09 11:20 AM |
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If there are meaningful things in the bill |
nevergiveup |
Sep-05-09 11:22 AM |
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I think what we must be careful about is... |
kentuck |
Sep-05-09 11:25 AM |
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If what you say in your last sentence |
nevergiveup |
Sep-05-09 11:38 AM |
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Ah...reason. |
jefferson_dem |
Sep-05-09 12:25 PM |
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I really doubt the public option, especially the anemic versions of that proposal |
man4allcats |
Sep-05-09 11:24 AM |
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Yes. n/t |
SpankMe |
Sep-05-09 11:30 AM |
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YES!!! ....rec up to +5 |
bvar22 |
Sep-05-09 11:36 AM |
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Yes. Mostly because we need health CARE reform, not INSURANCE reform |
jtrockville |
Sep-05-09 11:38 AM |
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Yes, as they should kill any corporatist bill masquerading as "reform" |
Faryn Balyncd |
Sep-05-09 11:41 AM |
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If I thought the bill was a step in the right direction |
laughingliberal |
Sep-05-09 11:46 AM |
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Yes, but they won't |
jgraz |
Sep-05-09 11:48 AM |
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Good point. Progressives to commit to voting down a FINAL, post-conference bill that lacks a public |
Faryn Balyncd |
Sep-05-09 11:52 AM |
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YES! No Public option, No Bill! eom |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-05-09 11:48 AM |
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Yes! nt |
jannyk |
Sep-05-09 11:51 AM |
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Of course not. |
jefferson_dem |
Sep-05-09 12:01 PM |
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How do we know if it's "reform"? |
kentuck |
Sep-05-09 12:03 PM |
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It depends on the actual provisions in the bill. |
jefferson_dem |
Sep-05-09 12:20 PM |
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It's pretty clear that the only way to get to 60 votes is to ensure that it's not real reform. If |
Bonn1997 |
Sep-06-09 06:08 AM |
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Without a Public Option it is not reform. |
GrantDem |
Sep-05-09 12:03 PM |
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Maybe |
Neecy |
Sep-05-09 12:04 PM |
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They should kill it if there is no STRONG Public Option. nt |
patrice |
Sep-05-09 12:09 PM |
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after reading Matt Taibbi's article Sick and Wrong -- I say YES, it's our responsibility to stop it. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-05-09 12:11 PM |
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Yes. |
alittlelark |
Sep-05-09 12:12 PM |
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Yes. |
Blue_In_AK |
Sep-05-09 12:13 PM |
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That depends. |
ElboRuum |
Sep-05-09 12:14 PM |
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they fucking BETTER! |
TorchTheWitch |
Sep-05-09 12:21 PM |
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The way I see it, they (Capitalists, HC Industry, Corporations, |
bluesmail |
Sep-05-09 12:26 PM |
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yes. nt. |
t0dd |
Sep-05-09 12:31 PM |
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Yes. n/t |
Mojambo |
Sep-05-09 12:31 PM |
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No |
Juche |
Sep-05-09 12:32 PM |
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Am undecided. We definitely should be discussing pros & cons. |
philly_bob |
Sep-05-09 12:38 PM |
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Yes, absolutely. |
Left coast liberal |
Sep-05-09 12:51 PM |
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Well capitulation does not seem to have worked |
booley |
Sep-05-09 01:01 PM |
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Just say NO to any non-reform "reform". |
kath |
Sep-05-09 01:09 PM |
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yes, yes, yes, - it will be a disaster |
scentopine |
Sep-05-09 08:26 PM |
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No, this can be done in phases |
usregimechange |
Sep-05-09 08:51 PM |
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here's how I think the phases will go with history as my guide |
scentopine |
Sep-05-09 11:04 PM |
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yes...and I'm sad to say that. But, at some point Democrats need to take a stand |
KoKo |
Sep-05-09 09:00 PM |
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Don't let the barely tolerable be the enemy of the completely shitty |
WeDidIt |
Sep-05-09 09:01 PM |
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False reform is WORSE than the status quo |
Sebastian Doyle |
Sep-05-09 09:03 PM |
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Are there any reasons for NOT killing a bad bill? |
bobbolink |
Sep-05-09 09:05 PM |
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Yes. |
David Zephyr |
Sep-05-09 09:30 PM |
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Oh hell yes. |
bemildred |
Sep-05-09 09:36 PM |
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If they make insurance inclusive, prevent rejection of claims and cap premiums |
andym |
Sep-06-09 12:22 AM |
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Yes. A line must be drawn in the sand. |
Stand and Fight |
Sep-06-09 05:21 AM |
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Yes it is ..... |
gleaner |
Sep-06-09 05:34 AM |
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The time has come for real health care reform! Also time to |
B Calm |
Sep-06-09 05:34 AM |
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yep! |
Lorax7844 |
Sep-06-09 05:41 AM |
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No public option kill it, and turn around and pass real campaign |
B Calm |
Sep-06-09 05:58 AM |
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How about since progressives are the vast majority we step up |
depakid |
Sep-06-09 06:15 AM |
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Yes. Without a Public Option, it's already dead. |
WyoHiker |
Sep-06-09 09:36 AM |
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Absolutely. |
JVS |
Sep-06-09 09:40 AM |
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