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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 03:15 PM
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34. A two 2% increase is not a pay cut.
Calling this a "pay cut" is a LIE, plain and simple. It's Neo-Con tactics, use spin to incite an emotionally knee-jerk response. If the OP was honest he/she would have posted "the regular wage increase was reduced by 0.4% to 2%", but "OMG, Obama is cutting wages" is guaranteed to incite the Obama-haters into their usual rage. If you want to criticize Obama for this that is fine, but if you LIE about it, that is NOT fine, that is Freeper behavior.
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  -Obama cuts pay for federal workers Hannah Bell  Sep-03-09 12:36 AM   #0 
  - How much are we paying those Mercenaries in Afghanistan again? nt  Mari333   Sep-03-09 12:40 AM   #1 
  - Kick and rec.  abumbyanyothername   Sep-03-09 12:42 AM   #2 
  - That's not a pay cut. It's a smaller raise. So obviously, we aren't serious yet.  imdjh   Sep-03-09 12:43 AM   #3 
  - it's a cut in their contracted cola, which per the regs is supposed to be 2.4%.  Hannah Bell   Sep-03-09 01:04 AM   #15 
     - I'm with him no raise is not a pay cut.  TxRider   Sep-04-09 03:33 PM   #110 
        - By the same logic, inflation and deflation are also dishonest phenomenon.  Trillo   Sep-04-09 07:37 PM   #119 
  - this won't actually happen  DaveinMD   Sep-03-09 12:46 AM   #4 
  - This is the kind of stuff that gets us and labor branded ugly names.  imdjh   Sep-03-09 12:47 AM   #5 
  - Says who?  abumbyanyothername   Sep-03-09 12:56 AM   #11 
  - Can you sing that like a chipmunk?  imdjh   Sep-03-09 01:01 AM   #12 
  - I agree.  ParkieDem   Sep-03-09 01:43 PM   #33 
  - I think you are mis-reading the comparability formula  hfojvt   Sep-03-09 05:50 PM   #61 
  - Poor friggin' babies, only getting a 2% pay raise..............  Double T   Sep-03-09 12:49 AM   #6 
  - I also have a somewhat decent health insurance plan too.  Butch350   Sep-03-09 12:54 AM   #8 
  - Sure. You probably have fully paid 'congressional grade' health care.  Double T   Sep-03-09 01:02 AM   #13 
  - In the real world a 2 percent raise isn't a cut. nt  subcomhd   Sep-03-09 01:42 AM   #17 
  - Right. Many throughout this country are taking actual pay cuts and are required........  Double T   Sep-03-09 02:02 AM   #19 
  - the banksters got raises & bonuses, but rank & file gov't employees don't get their  Hannah Bell   Sep-03-09 12:41 PM   #31 
  - It's all a matter of priorities....  blindpig   Sep-04-09 10:18 AM   #105 
  - You do not know what you are talking about.  GentryDixon   Sep-03-09 05:38 PM   #59 
  - When Inflation is 3%  AllentownJake   Sep-03-09 07:49 AM   #23 
  - Then what would a 2% cut from current pay be?  TxRider   Sep-04-09 03:35 PM   #112 
  - in the real world inflation has averaged 2.9% per year since 1990.  Hannah Bell   Sep-03-09 06:09 PM   #71 
  - fuck you man  pimpbot   Sep-03-09 03:53 PM   #43 
  - The government doesn't have the money to give anyone a raise.  Double T   Sep-04-09 04:12 PM   #115 
  - can you not bash feds?  CreekDog   Sep-03-09 04:00 PM   #44 
  - Your attitude sucks and reminds me of how much freepers hate Unions and anyone  earth mom   Sep-03-09 05:09 PM   #52 
     - In the REAL WORLD when revenues are down, no one gets a raise........  Double T   Sep-04-09 04:18 PM   #116 
        - If the government really wants to "save" money they would get us out of the Middle East.  earth mom   Sep-05-09 12:05 AM   #123 
  - It's not a cut according to the's a smaller increase in pay..  firedupdem   Sep-03-09 12:53 AM   #7 
  - It's a cut in their contracted reguatory lincrease.  Hannah Bell   Sep-03-09 01:51 AM   #18 
     - In other words, you are a manipulative liar.  Odin2005   Sep-03-09 03:17 PM   #35 
        - i'm not lying, or manipulating, but you're violating DU rules pretty blatantly.  Hannah Bell   Sep-03-09 04:24 PM   #46 
           - Maybe my literal-mindedness is showing, but It's a cut in the RAISE, not the WAGE.  Odin2005   Sep-03-09 06:55 PM   #82 
              - It's a cut in the wage levels contracted for 2010, which contractually were supposed to be 2.4%  Hannah Bell   Sep-04-09 01:53 AM   #97 
                 - Which is still not a pay cut.  Odin2005   Sep-04-09 08:08 AM   #103 
                    - it is a cut in their contracted pay.  Hannah Bell   Sep-04-09 03:22 PM   #107 
                       - It's a cut in the usual wage increase.  Odin2005   Sep-04-09 07:55 PM   #120 
  - A 2% pay raise is NOT a pay cut  taught_me_patience   Sep-03-09 12:54 AM   #9 
  - it is, because minimum 2.4% increase is the current regulation.  Hannah Bell   Sep-03-09 01:03 AM   #14 
     - Inflation is 0 because of the recession.  Odin2005   Sep-03-09 08:45 AM   #25 
        - Keep dreaming... this one's a one-trick-pony.  redqueen   Sep-03-09 09:11 AM   #28 
        - you know what the rate of inflation for all of 2009-10 will be already, nostradamus?  Hannah Bell   Sep-03-09 12:18 PM   #30 
           - If economists are worried about DEFLATION then inflation really isn't an issue.  Odin2005   Sep-03-09 03:20 PM   #37 
              - i repeat: you don't know what the next year will bring. neither do "economists,"  Hannah Bell   Sep-03-09 04:22 PM   #45 
  - Why are they getting ANY cost of living raise when social  shraby   Sep-03-09 12:55 AM   #10 
  - +1 nt  SammyWinstonJack   Sep-03-09 05:55 PM   #62 
  - ding! - don't wanna see congress giving themselves a raise @ 3am...  bridgit   Sep-05-09 12:12 AM   #126 
  - Great. Obama wants to follow the lead of teh Arnold??  Onceuponalife   Sep-03-09 01:40 AM   #16 
  - LOL! I love it!  SammyWinstonJack   Sep-03-09 05:57 PM   #63 
  - Geezes....I'm crying for Federal Workers with health Care and paid vacation  FrenchieCat   Sep-03-09 03:02 AM   #20 
  - Me too.  Kahuna   Sep-03-09 07:34 AM   #21 
  - Still defending him no matter what I see  AllentownJake   Sep-03-09 07:47 AM   #22 
     - No matter what, is right. I don't get that, at all.  SammyWinstonJack   Sep-03-09 06:00 PM   #64 
        - There are numerous comments (the majority) here similar to mine,  FrenchieCat   Sep-04-09 01:26 AM   #96 
  - A smaller raise than usual is NOT a pay cut. Especially when there is no inflation.  Odin2005   Sep-03-09 08:43 AM   #24 
  - Wow! Another train unrec as a result of Hannah Bull posting lies from WSWS!  HamdenRice   Sep-03-09 08:56 AM   #26 
  - Says one of the original THANK GAWD IT PASSED Bankster cheerleaders.  earth mom   Sep-03-09 05:14 PM   #53 
     - +1  SammyWinstonJack   Sep-03-09 06:01 PM   #65 
  - Pretty amazing thread  Orwellian_Ghost   Sep-03-09 09:07 AM   #27 
  - Rofl!  HamdenRice   Sep-03-09 10:49 AM   #29 
  - A two 2% increase is not a pay cut.  Odin2005   Sep-03-09 03:15 PM   #34 
  - Hell we said THE SAME THING when bush was in office  The Straight Story   Sep-03-09 06:02 PM   #66 
  - It easy to defend Obama when he is *HELPING* Federal workers  yodoobo   Sep-03-09 03:39 PM   #41 
     - he's not "giving" them anything. They *already* were scheduled for their mandated 2.4% raise.  Hannah Bell   Sep-03-09 04:28 PM   #47 
        - A raise in salary is a raise in salary.  yodoobo   Sep-03-09 05:32 PM   #56 
           - a cut in contracted salary = a CUT.  Hannah Bell   Sep-03-09 06:06 PM   #70 
              - Would be wondeful if we could all get cut like that  yodoobo   Sep-03-09 07:35 PM   #87 
  - Presidents do this very often, and as we can  DavidDvorkin   Sep-03-09 12:45 PM   #32 
  - FEPCA mandated pay raises have been ignored for almost 20 years  CreekDog   Sep-03-09 03:20 PM   #36 
     - I goes back even further than that  DavidDvorkin   Sep-03-09 03:31 PM   #38 
        - "It goes" that should be.  DavidDvorkin   Sep-03-09 05:19 PM   #54 
  - They should thank Obama for a 2% **RAISE**  yodoobo   Sep-03-09 03:34 PM   #39 
  - Not only did I not get a raise this year, I got a %5 pay cut.  crazyjoe   Sep-03-09 03:35 PM   #40 
  - really? a 2% increase instead of a 2.4% increase will mean a "significant cut in real income"?  cali   Sep-03-09 03:43 PM   #42 
  - Like I said, it's emotionally manipulative lies on the part of the OP and the WSWS.  Odin2005   Sep-03-09 04:48 PM   #48 
  - Well, when it comes to idiotic anti-Obama propaganda, why let the right have all the fun?  redqueen   Sep-03-09 04:53 PM   #49 
  - nice spin. but in fact, the "why should those federal workers/union workers get any cola when *I*  Hannah Bell   Sep-03-09 06:25 PM   #76 
     - It's not bullshit, it's a fact. It's tradition, and it works every time... sadly.  redqueen   Sep-04-09 09:51 AM   #104 
  - it's a cut of $40 of expected income per every $10K of current income.  Hannah Bell   Sep-03-09 04:58 PM   #50 
     - Its a raise of $200 for every $10k of income.  yodoobo   Sep-03-09 05:34 PM   #57 
     - not with inflation running 1.99% so far in 2009 & who knows what in 2010.  Hannah Bell   Sep-03-09 06:05 PM   #69 
        - Inflation hits everyone. including the vast majority  yodoobo   Sep-03-09 07:32 PM   #85 
           - so? the banksters are doing much better by far, let them take cuts.  Hannah Bell   Sep-04-09 01:57 AM   #98 
              - by all means! lets cut the bankers pay.  yodoobo   Sep-04-09 07:31 AM   #102 
                 - noted: the use of the denigrative "cry-baby" to describe workers who stick up for  Hannah Bell   Sep-04-09 03:21 PM   #106 
                    - noted: the unappreciation of what is being provided.  yodoobo   Sep-04-09 03:45 PM   #113 
                       - oooh, the workers are "unappreciative". you'll note the banksters got their contracted  Hannah Bell   Sep-05-09 12:08 AM   #125 
                          - yes they are unappreciative  yodoobo   Sep-05-09 01:07 AM   #127 
     - So in other words, 4% annual inflation  high density   Sep-03-09 06:04 PM   #68 
     - oh for pity and reason's sake. this is too ridiculous.  cali   Sep-03-09 06:11 PM   #72 
     - CPI was 220 in Aug 2008, it bottomed out in Jan 2009. Rationally, fed. workers should take pay cuts  Scarsdale Vibe   Sep-03-09 06:13 PM   #75 
        - cpi is up 3.33 percent since 2007. why should workers take cuts?  Hannah Bell   Sep-03-09 06:30 PM   #77 
  - Ya' Know, This Is Absolutely Wrong, But I Must Admit...  Toasterlad   Sep-03-09 05:09 PM   #51 
  - It sure is interesting...  HiFructosePronSyrup   Sep-03-09 05:21 PM   #55 
  - What would have mccain done?  yodoobo   Sep-03-09 05:38 PM   #58 
  - yeah, & if *stalin* were president, we'd all be in work camps, so by that measure, we're in gravy.  Hannah Bell   Sep-03-09 06:31 PM   #78 
     - Stalin by virtue of being dead, had a slim chance of winning.  yodoobo   Sep-03-09 07:34 PM   #86 
        - "generous"? 2%? lol. some of the banksters got 200%.  Hannah Bell   Sep-04-09 01:57 AM   #99 
           - yes generous. its 100000000% more than most people get  yodoobo   Sep-04-09 07:30 AM   #101 
              - can't do math, either, i see.  Hannah Bell   Sep-04-09 03:25 PM   #108 
                 - Coming from someone who mixes up raises and cuts.  yodoobo   Sep-04-09 03:53 PM   #114 
                    - a cut in contracted pay is a cut, no matter how much you spin.  Hannah Bell   Sep-05-09 12:05 AM   #124 
                       - calling a raise a cut is spin that Rove would be proud of  yodoobo   Sep-05-09 01:08 AM   #128 
  - How...Reaganesque. Will the cuts and "compartability" include the military?  Tierra_y_Libertad   Sep-03-09 05:41 PM   #60 
  - "With inflation?"  high density   Sep-03-09 06:03 PM   #67 
  - yes. see above.  Hannah Bell   Sep-03-09 06:32 PM   #79 
  - Cut the fucking Pentagon budget!  alarimer   Sep-03-09 06:11 PM   #73 
  - oh yeah, unrecommended with the greatest of pleasure, dear.  cali   Sep-03-09 06:12 PM   #74 
  - oh, *dear,* i wouldn't expect anything else from you.  Hannah Bell   Sep-03-09 06:34 PM   #80 
     - feel free. and you're in a very select group of people who post  cali   Sep-03-09 06:46 PM   #81 
        - lol. from you, high praise indeed.  Hannah Bell   Sep-04-09 12:29 AM   #91 
  - Gosh, you seem to be fixated in posting shit from wsws....  Spazito   Sep-03-09 07:18 PM   #83 
  - only for the benefit of my secret admirer here.  Hannah Bell   Sep-04-09 12:30 AM   #92 
  - I'll take a minor raise cut over the 20% wage cut I have now.  Starbucks Anarchist   Sep-03-09 07:26 PM   #84 
  - Workers of the world unite.... .well if it is to complain  whistler162   Sep-03-09 07:37 PM   #88 
  - Poor folk have it worse than that.... We don't get any COLA AT ALL FOR TWO YEARS!  bobbolink   Sep-03-09 07:37 PM   #89 
  - Everybody's getting a paycut  Liberal_in_LA   Sep-03-09 08:07 PM   #90 
  - ...except the banksters, the military, the military contractors, & big capital.  Hannah Bell   Sep-04-09 12:31 AM   #93 
  - I wonder how many people here who are complaining about the miniscule pay "raise"  Onceuponalife   Sep-04-09 12:45 AM   #94 
  - Thank you! It's quite surprising how few "Democrats" understand the basic  Hannah Bell   Sep-04-09 01:59 AM   #100 
  - The elderly get NO pay increase for 3 YEARS!  lbrtbell   Sep-04-09 01:24 AM   #95 
  - If I can't have mine, nobody else should either!  Bill McBlueState   Sep-04-09 03:32 PM   #109 
  - They are still getting a raise. (nt)  redqueen   Sep-04-09 03:34 PM   #111 
  - Get me some tequila and triple sec...  blindpig   Sep-04-09 04:35 PM   #117 
  - "Obama copied, virtually verbatim, an order issued in the name of George W. "  maryf   Sep-04-09 07:06 PM   #118 
  - I recall President Obama saying that teacher performance should be measured by kids' grades...  Deja Q   Sep-05-09 12:25 PM   #130 
     - Unlike Bush, Obama is a smart man.  maryf   Sep-06-09 11:58 AM   #133 
  - That's not a pay cut.  scrinmaster   Sep-04-09 10:22 PM   #121 
  - And yet... People wonder why there are no regulators or food inspectors or CDC or Justice... etc  Hugin   Sep-04-09 10:44 PM   #122 
  - Definitions of "pay" lead directly to deceptions.  Trillo   Sep-05-09 12:20 PM   #129 
  - I agree with both sides; with some terminology it's a cut. With other terminology, it's not.  Deja Q   Sep-05-09 12:27 PM   #131 
  - Some guy on TV says the average public worker gets paid more than the average private worker.  dkf   Sep-05-09 12:56 PM   #132 

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