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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 03:38 PM
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73. Depends on how the lose really? If they lose while kicking up a fight, then maybe
america will respect them but realize that there were just not enough votes

If they lose by progressively given away any and all meaning to being a democrat, then America will see them for the GOP light that they will have become.

really, it all depends
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  -Will losing votes from the left force the Democratic party to move left? redqueen  Sep-02-09 01:53 PM   #0 
  - they're corporate whores  Skittles   Sep-02-09 01:55 PM   #1 
  - Many are... most even, perhaps... not all, though.  redqueen   Sep-02-09 01:56 PM   #2 
  - There are never repercussions from taking for granted your most myopic supporters.  timeforpeace   Sep-02-09 03:39 PM   #75 
     - Nice... insults.  redqueen   Sep-02-09 03:42 PM   #78 
        - I think that response sums up my opinion on the matter as well.  LooseWilly   Sep-03-09 11:32 PM   #143 
           - I think that's a simplistic way to look at it.  redqueen   Sep-04-09 09:39 AM   #164 
  - Ding ding ding. Correct answer, Skittles!  Enthusiast   Sep-02-09 01:57 PM   #4 
  - No, by voting for Dems we won the privilege of not having McCain.  redqueen   Sep-02-09 02:20 PM   #17 
     - The " he isn't/they aren't as bad as ~insert repuke name here~ arguement" no longer works.  Mystayya   Sep-02-09 02:31 PM   #21 
     - I don't see how ceding power to the GOP holds Dems accountable.  redqueen   Sep-02-09 02:34 PM   #24 
        - The question is, is there a difference?  LooseWilly   Sep-02-09 03:10 PM   #54 
        - Like you said, it's a judgment call.  redqueen   Sep-02-09 03:14 PM   #58 
        - That would be my first course of action  Mystayya   Sep-02-09 09:40 PM   #93 
           - It seems to me that that is changing...  redqueen   Sep-03-09 09:08 AM   #109 
              - But they need to know we CAN and will if they continue to work for the Corps.  Mystayya   Sep-03-09 09:38 AM   #110 
     - because the damn fools we elected are acting just like  HillbillyBob   Sep-02-09 02:37 PM   #27 
     - So you don't think it would be any worse under Republicans?  redqueen   Sep-02-09 02:41 PM   #30 
        - At one point do we get to vote for something besides the lesser of two evils?  Mystayya   Sep-03-09 09:40 AM   #112 
           - When we get a parliamentary system would be my guess...  redqueen   Sep-03-09 11:48 AM   #121 
     - The AFLCIO just pledged not to support any congresscritter who didn't work for the public option.,  bobbolink   Sep-02-09 03:29 PM   #70 
        - I bet it was the challenger... not the "I'm staying HOME!" whiners.  redqueen   Sep-02-09 03:38 PM   #74 
           - And the name-calling earns you a spot on my ignore list---again,  bobbolink   Sep-02-09 03:51 PM   #81 
              - Well even though you can't see it, I'll say sorry...  redqueen   Sep-02-09 03:56 PM   #82 
                 - If we are betrayed by  Enthusiast   Sep-03-09 06:33 AM   #98 
                    - *sigh*  redqueen   Sep-03-09 08:59 AM   #101 
                       - Democrats still must be  Enthusiast   Sep-03-09 09:05 AM   #107 
                          - I agree.  redqueen   Sep-03-09 09:06 AM   #108 
  - Thank you. n/t  QC   Sep-02-09 01:58 PM   #7 
  - If you want to escape the corporatist society  abumbyanyothername   Sep-02-09 02:46 PM   #37 
  - I don't know  Mystayya   Sep-02-09 01:57 PM   #3 
  - Not to keep up numbers, to keep the power from the GOP.  redqueen   Sep-02-09 01:58 PM   #6 
     - There is just a certain point I am unwilling to pass  Mystayya   Sep-02-09 02:29 PM   #20 
     - I hate the gopers witha passion , especially after the shit  HillbillyBob   Sep-02-09 02:36 PM   #26 
     - Glad to hear you weren't conned by Reagan's lies...  redqueen   Sep-02-09 02:42 PM   #34 
        - What about the likes of Feinstein?  LooseWilly   Sep-02-09 03:21 PM   #63 
           - She needs to be treated the way Lieberman was, IMO.  redqueen   Sep-02-09 03:28 PM   #69 
              - I guess I'm willing to go a little further than you are  LooseWilly   Sep-02-09 09:07 PM   #91 
                 - If you can live with helping the GOP get more power...  redqueen   Sep-03-09 09:00 AM   #102 
                    - If the alternative is a Democrat whose behavior and vote pattern  LooseWilly   Sep-03-09 11:21 PM   #141 
                       - I'm glad you mentioned Feinstein.  redqueen   Sep-04-09 09:40 AM   #165 
     - Sure it would be worse under McCain.  CrispyQ   Sep-02-09 02:44 PM   #35 
     - There will NEVER be Dems who do the right thing if people follow your advice  FiveGoodMen   Sep-02-09 03:07 PM   #51 
     - The "not as bad" meme is BS that fewer and fewer people are falling for.  Individualist   Sep-02-09 03:09 PM   #53 
        - It's not a meme, it's a fact.  redqueen   Sep-02-09 03:13 PM   #57 
           - More BS  Individualist   Sep-02-09 03:17 PM   #59 
  - The Blue Dogs are mostly in swing districts, while House Progressives are mostly in safe districts.  Eric J in MN   Sep-02-09 01:58 PM   #5 
  - I'd need to see polling data to back that up.  redqueen   Sep-02-09 01:59 PM   #8 
  - Yep, that's a load of crap they're trying to feed us.  Greyhound   Sep-02-09 02:03 PM   #12 
     - "The candidate that taps into that resource, wins."  CrispyQ   Sep-02-09 02:38 PM   #28 
     - I disagree that the majority of them don't vote because of that reason.  redqueen   Sep-02-09 02:44 PM   #36 
     - So, if they don't care and or feel it doesn't effect them, and we (politically aware folks) know  Greyhound   Sep-02-09 02:57 PM   #45 
        - If I had to guess...  redqueen   Sep-02-09 03:02 PM   #46 
        - Because they can.  DireStrike   Sep-02-09 03:04 PM   #49 
     - I totally, totally agree.  Zenlitened   Sep-02-09 03:23 PM   #67 
     - Most people don't vote  Codeine   Sep-04-09 09:32 AM   #160 
  - Probably , it will just turn off many of the younger people  SoCalDem   Sep-02-09 02:00 PM   #9 
  - Definitely agree re: public funding.  redqueen   Sep-02-09 02:06 PM   #14 
  - No. They'll consolidate their ties with corporatism and walk away  bridgit   Sep-02-09 02:00 PM   #10 
  - I more-or-less gave up on the dem party in 2000...  mike_c   Sep-02-09 02:01 PM   #11 
  - So... do you think it will work?  redqueen   Sep-02-09 02:07 PM   #15 
     - I don't know-- so far it certainly hasn't...  mike_c   Sep-02-09 04:41 PM   #87 
  - FDR got cracking on the New Deal  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-02-09 02:03 PM   #13 
  - Yeah... no one had thought of the DLC at that time.  redqueen   Sep-02-09 02:08 PM   #16 
  - Did you make that up yourself, or did someone else do it for you?  bornskeptic   Sep-02-09 02:42 PM   #33 
     - It may be the wrong reference...  redqueen   Sep-02-09 02:48 PM   #39 
     - So which was the one in which LaFollette took 16%?  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-02-09 04:17 PM   #84 
        - 1924 - 13%  RUMMYisFROSTED   Sep-03-09 09:45 AM   #114 
  - I haven't seen that work yet. Usually the reply is, "Hey! Where do you think  GreenPartyVoter   Sep-02-09 02:24 PM   #18 
  - The Green Party, obviously.  redqueen   Sep-02-09 02:26 PM   #19 
  - Frankly, I don't know what will work. As you say it was long ago. I think  GreenPartyVoter   Sep-02-09 02:33 PM   #23 
  - Amen. (nt)  redqueen   Sep-02-09 02:35 PM   #25 
  - We need to find a chink in the armor like public financing  DireStrike   Sep-02-09 02:42 PM   #32 
  - redqueen - if you do not agree with withholding support for those Dems who sell  T Wolf   Sep-02-09 02:41 PM   #31 
     - Of course I think that would be a good thing.  redqueen   Sep-02-09 02:46 PM   #38 
  - That is the sentiment I see even here in this thread.  Mystayya   Sep-02-09 02:33 PM   #22 
  - As long as the Dems count on our nose-holding ability they will continue to move right.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Sep-02-09 02:39 PM   #29 
  - But even when the left has abandoned them,  redqueen   Sep-02-09 02:50 PM   #40 
     - Then, it is up to the individual citizen to bow out of the game.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Sep-02-09 03:04 PM   #48 
        - Quotes are nice... but I don't want Congress in the hands of the GOP.  redqueen   Sep-02-09 03:09 PM   #52 
           - So that is your quote. Weighed against Thomas Jefferson  Bluenorthwest   Sep-03-09 09:39 AM   #111 
              - Does being nasty help you somehow?  redqueen   Sep-03-09 09:41 AM   #113 
                 - Not intending to be nasty by saying Tom Jefferson holds more weight  Bluenorthwest   Sep-03-09 11:08 AM   #117 
                    - LOL... the non-apology apology...  redqueen   Sep-03-09 11:21 AM   #118 
                       - Forgive me if I do not see much civility in your manner  Bluenorthwest   Sep-03-09 11:54 AM   #123 
                          - LOL... get off the cross.  redqueen   Sep-03-09 11:59 AM   #125 
  - Fuck.  DireStrike   Sep-02-09 02:50 PM   #41 
  - Well aren't you a little ray of sunshine.  redqueen   Sep-02-09 03:04 PM   #47 
     - Pessimists are rarely disappointed.  DireStrike   Sep-02-09 03:18 PM   #60 
        - I mostly agree...  redqueen   Sep-02-09 03:22 PM   #65 
           - I see what you did there.  DireStrike   Sep-02-09 03:23 PM   #66 
              - Come again?  redqueen   Sep-02-09 03:41 PM   #77 
  - Nope, it'll do what it always did and push them further right  WeDidIt   Sep-02-09 02:51 PM   #42 
  - Yep... it can't work everywhere...  redqueen   Sep-02-09 03:07 PM   #50 
  - Certain elements of the left thrive on failure and whining. So Palin 2012 is a big win for them.  HamdenRice   Sep-02-09 02:51 PM   #43 
  - For some, that does seem to be the case...  redqueen   Sep-02-09 03:11 PM   #55 
  - Yep - exemplified best by the lingering Nader apologetics  dmallind   Sep-02-09 03:19 PM   #62 
     - I couldn't possibly agree more about the difference. (nt)  redqueen   Sep-02-09 03:33 PM   #71 
  - I've never agreed with HamdenRice.  Codeine   Sep-04-09 09:34 AM   #163 
     - Hah.  redqueen   Sep-04-09 09:41 AM   #166 
  - Reagan was elected by rich conserva-dems, not leftists  hfojvt   Sep-02-09 02:54 PM   #44 
  - That is far from the truth. Working class Dems voted for Reagan.  redqueen   Sep-02-09 03:12 PM   #56 
     - I don't think so. Check the stats on wiki  hfojvt   Sep-02-09 05:33 PM   #88 
        - So you're taking back your assertion re: "rich" conservadems?  redqueen   Sep-02-09 05:49 PM   #89 
           - sure, technically I should have said richER  hfojvt   Sep-02-09 09:41 PM   #94 
  - The typical DU assumption here (not necessarily the OP's) is not tenable  dmallind   Sep-02-09 03:18 PM   #61 
  - You make some very good points.  redqueen   Sep-02-09 03:25 PM   #68 
  - You also have to consider that most people are not monolithic  dmallind   Sep-02-09 04:14 PM   #83 
     - And then there are some who might  redqueen   Sep-02-09 04:18 PM   #85 
        - True. That's a tough one for me to follow but in some cases I would  dmallind   Sep-04-09 08:31 AM   #147 
  - Your post is worthy of a thread all it's own.  Kaleva   Sep-03-09 11:55 AM   #124 
  - Losing votes on the left means GOP takes power  scheming daemons   Sep-02-09 03:21 PM   #64 
  - I doubt it's what they want...  redqueen   Sep-02-09 03:35 PM   #72 
  - That's what primaries are for. n/t  rucky   Sep-03-09 05:56 PM   #136 
  - Depends on how the lose really? If they lose while kicking up a fight, then maybe  La Lioness Priyanka   Sep-02-09 03:38 PM   #73 
  - I partially agree...  redqueen   Sep-02-09 03:40 PM   #76 
     - they need to be focussed with their message and not appear conciliatory  La Lioness Priyanka   Sep-02-09 03:42 PM   #79 
        - Definitely agree. (nt)  redqueen   Sep-02-09 03:48 PM   #80 
  - Unless actual liberals take local control over the party and start  leftofthedial   Sep-02-09 04:20 PM   #86 
  - Completely agree. (nt)  redqueen   Sep-03-09 09:04 AM   #105 
  - The Democratic party is not losing any votes from the left, IMO.  robcon   Sep-02-09 06:47 PM   #90 
  - So it's all just empty threats, you think?  redqueen   Sep-03-09 09:02 AM   #103 
     - Yes, I think those are empty threats.  robcon   Sep-03-09 10:33 AM   #115 
        - I wasn't talking about the Dems in DC.  redqueen   Sep-03-09 11:45 AM   #119 
           - Then there's even less chance that the threat is real.  robcon   Sep-03-09 05:37 PM   #133 
  - I know what is guaranfuckingteed not to work  kenny blankenship   Sep-02-09 09:13 PM   #92 
  - I wish I could recommend your post  Individualist   Sep-02-09 10:27 PM   #96 
  - thank you. this is how i too feel the democrats (both elected and party worshippers) treat  La Lioness Priyanka   Sep-03-09 08:44 AM   #99 
  - Er... okay.  redqueen   Sep-03-09 08:58 AM   #100 
  - cede more power  Doctor_J   Sep-02-09 09:45 PM   #95 
  - Well it's up to their constituents to change things.  redqueen   Sep-03-09 09:03 AM   #104 
  - If they understand it was us they lost.  mmonk   Sep-02-09 10:29 PM   #97 
  - Wouldn't polling data back that up?  redqueen   Sep-03-09 09:05 AM   #106 
  - The example of the right in the 90's  billyclem   Sep-03-09 11:00 AM   #116 
  - I definitely think that supporting primary challengers from the left  redqueen   Sep-03-09 11:47 AM   #120 
  - We went to NADER & GOT BUSH in 2000  barbiegeek   Sep-03-09 11:50 AM   #122 
  - More Dems voted for Bush then for Nader  Kaleva   Sep-03-09 12:00 PM   #126 
  - So... again ... how is not voting all supposed to push them left?  redqueen   Sep-03-09 05:54 PM   #134 
  - Wrong-o, daddy-o. Stolen "election," 110%. Even Gore disavows the Nader 'theory'  Echo In Light   Sep-03-09 12:00 PM   #127 
  - As long as we let the MSM and corporate power define left and right, no.  Orsino   Sep-03-09 12:08 PM   #128 
  - That's exactly how it seems to me. (nt)  redqueen   Sep-03-09 05:56 PM   #135 
  - that seems to be the calculation the Dem. Party is making  paulk   Sep-03-09 12:13 PM   #129 
  - Something tells me we're going to see A LOT of anti-3rd party propaganda in coming yrs!  Echo In Light   Sep-03-09 12:15 PM   #130 
  - It's hard to say which demographic put Obama over the top  Kaleva   Sep-03-09 01:03 PM   #131 
  - Kerry won that demographic by less than 10 points  paulk   Sep-03-09 01:40 PM   #132 
  - I'm simply asking about the logic behind the tactic.  redqueen   Sep-03-09 05:57 PM   #137 
     - I guess what I'm trying to say is that losing votes  paulk   Sep-03-09 06:54 PM   #140 
  - Hello President Geb Bushler & Vice-President Sarah Palin.  Swamp Rat   Sep-03-09 06:06 PM   #138 
  - No - it will be get more conservative as it absorbs the moderate GOP'ers  Blasphemer   Sep-03-09 06:17 PM   #139 
  - If the progressive left splits off we will look like England  Jennicut   Sep-03-09 11:25 PM   #142 
  - Life long Democrat here  laughingliberal   Sep-04-09 12:01 AM   #144 
  - The question was, do you think it will make the party more liberal? (nt)  redqueen   Sep-04-09 09:29 AM   #157 
  - Interesting post.  kentuck   Sep-04-09 12:33 AM   #145 
  - I think there is a more important impact of a divorce in the Democratic party  robcon   Sep-04-09 06:54 AM   #146 
  - So the question that remains:  kentuck   Sep-04-09 08:46 AM   #148 
     - No. The question is tactical (how do we do it) not strategic (where are we going)  robcon   Sep-04-09 09:10 AM   #152 
        - The left and independents were organized and re-energized ...  kentuck   Sep-04-09 09:12 AM   #153 
           - Not enough people were "organized and re-energized"  robcon   Sep-04-09 09:21 AM   #155 
              - In my opinion...  kentuck   Sep-04-09 09:24 AM   #156 
                 - Of course they will.  redqueen   Sep-04-09 09:44 AM   #168 
  - Well giving money surely doesn't push them left.  redqueen   Sep-04-09 09:31 AM   #159 
  - Losing voters on the left always moves the country RIGHT, now look where we are...  NotThisTime   Sep-04-09 08:51 AM   #149 
  - First of all, most of the Democrats in Washington ARE corporatists.  Political Heretic   Sep-04-09 08:58 AM   #150 
  - Unfortunately.  kentuck   Sep-04-09 09:13 AM   #154 
  - That's Nader's theory as well...  redqueen   Sep-04-09 09:32 AM   #161 
     - Smear by association is a logically cheap tactic.  Political Heretic   Sep-04-09 08:52 PM   #172 
  - This is NOT 1980 - so HOPEFULLY it will have the OPPOSITE effect of 1980  TankLV   Sep-04-09 09:06 AM   #151 
  - You give the electorate more credit than I do.  redqueen   Sep-04-09 09:33 AM   #162 
  - No  TransitJohn   Sep-04-09 09:30 AM   #158 
  - It's very likely to move left IMO, and that is not the way to keep a majority in Congress  slackmaster   Sep-04-09 09:42 AM   #167 
  - Didn't this get tried AGAIN in 1994 and 2000?  Proud Liberal Dem   Sep-04-09 09:51 AM   #169 
     - Yes... that's exactly how I see it.  redqueen   Sep-04-09 12:33 PM   #170 
        - Absolutely  Proud Liberal Dem   Sep-04-09 01:05 PM   #171 
 

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