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Tue Aug-25-09 06:57 PM
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| 29. "Tort Reform" is a GOP propaganda scam. |
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They've used it the past 25 years or so, and it has always been a propaganda theme for the GOP and two of its favorite business sectors - insurance companies and big businesses.
It is propaganda, put out to argue that those bad old plaintiffs' personal injury lawyers are creating cases out of thin air, and making the insurers and their business customers pay money they don't really owe. They argue that the only real reason for such lawsuits is to make more money for the Democratic personal injury lawyers.
The reality is that the insurance and business sectors oppose any concept that would allow plaintiffs who are successful to recover their attorney's fees as part of their recovery, as is the practice in contract cases.
In most cases in law, there is the potential for an award of attorneys fees. But in tort cases, that is not available in most states. That's how the insurance industry likes it, because they can force a plaintiff to have a contingency fee lawyer or none at all, and then they can wail mightily about it, so they can complain about the fee the plaintiff's lawyer gets on contingency.
The solution is simple. Make the insurance industry pay the winner's attorney's fees in such cases, and add that number to the recovery. That way, the plaintiff who is getting less than his or her full recovery under the current system would be paid in full their recovery.
I have long favored that approach, because the current one vastly favors the insurance industry.
Being a lawyer representing civil defendants and their insurance company pays a lot better than being a lawyer for the personal injury plaintiff, in all but a handful of cases. It's only the big recoveries, which are a very, very small percentage of the total, in which the plaintiff's attorney pulls down more cash than the lawyer for the civil defendant makes.
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| -Can anyone exolain "tort reform to me? I believe if someone is |
napi21 |
Aug-25-09 05:03 PM |
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my issue is when the injured guy gets a small percentage and the lawyer walks with millions |
vadawg |
Aug-25-09 05:05 PM |
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It's a standard third. If he asks for more, get another lawyer. |
aquart |
Aug-25-09 05:07 PM |
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What aquart said. Seriously, a good lawyer earns it and if s/he asks for more than that, run, don't |
blondeatlast |
Aug-25-09 05:10 PM |
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It varies. |
Laelth |
Aug-25-09 06:35 PM |
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Actually, the lawyer generally gets a third or so of the haul |
Warpy |
Aug-25-09 05:10 PM |
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Yeah, That Situation is Common in Stockholder Suits |
On the Road |
Aug-25-09 05:33 PM |
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Hiccup |
Warpy |
Aug-25-09 05:10 PM |
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Then you don't have an issue. |
The Stranger |
Aug-25-09 05:11 PM |
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A soution to that would be for the Federal government to actually enforce the laws |
depakid |
Aug-25-09 08:25 PM |
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yea, but repukes like to complain about "liberal lawyers" to ignorant folks |
NightWatcher |
Aug-25-09 05:05 PM |
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Ugh. I call that narrator "marble mouth guy" - you know you're in for a crock of shit when you hear |
Maru Kitteh |
Aug-25-09 05:19 PM |
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Most of the outrageous awards are remedied (usually reduc on appeal; note that I didn't say "many," |
blondeatlast |
Aug-25-09 05:08 PM |
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You're watching spin by large corporate interests |
taterguy |
Aug-25-09 05:09 PM |
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Here is one example that blows my mind. |
napi21 |
Aug-25-09 05:36 PM |
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How much money has the plaintiff collected? |
taterguy |
Aug-25-09 06:25 PM |
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I read that aetickle and the 3rd court said $28MM |
napi21 |
Aug-25-09 07:58 PM |
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Ideally, the plaintiff should still be compensated for the monies lost for |
no_hypocrisy |
Aug-25-09 05:12 PM |
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I see two problems with how punitive damages are allocated |
ParkieDem |
Aug-25-09 05:56 PM |
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Nebraska and Texas have the most restrictive medical tort law in the country and it has NOT brought |
Maru Kitteh |
Aug-25-09 05:14 PM |
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The McDonald's coffee case is a perfect example of how the media spins |
WCGreen |
Aug-25-09 05:18 PM |
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And as I mention upthread, the case was appealed and the award reduced--which is quite typical. nt |
blondeatlast |
Aug-25-09 05:21 PM |
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But the fact that Mickey D's paid off so many others in order to |
WCGreen |
Aug-25-09 05:33 PM |
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Oh, hell yes. She still won almost $500k and was entitled to every penny, lawyers' fees, and then |
blondeatlast |
Aug-25-09 06:52 PM |
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Yes. I had personal knowledge of the facts in this case, but in |
marybourg |
Aug-25-09 05:56 PM |
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Would people have understood better if it was a man whose penis and scrotum needed skin grafts? |
SharonAnn |
Aug-25-09 06:25 PM |
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I have never known a person to receive a large sum of money. |
theoldman |
Aug-25-09 05:23 PM |
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Tort law works on this principle: someone will pay for every injury. |
Laelth |
Aug-25-09 05:28 PM |
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It's a rich vs. poor issue. |
Eric J in MN |
Aug-25-09 05:31 PM |
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It's sort of like voter fraud reform. |
Uncle Joe |
Aug-25-09 05:46 PM |
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It's something people who get sued alot advocate. n/t |
rucky |
Aug-25-09 05:57 PM |
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"Tort Reform" is a GOP propaganda scam. |
TexasObserver |
Aug-25-09 06:57 PM |
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Tort reform surely is propaganda |
laughingliberal |
Aug-25-09 08:09 PM |
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If they really want tort reform, eliminate the biggest item of monetary damages: health care costs. |
TexasObserver |
Aug-26-09 12:45 AM |
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"but I've heard of insane compensations in some cases too." |
Warren Stupidity |
Aug-25-09 08:07 PM |
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So called "tort reform" means no recourse against abusive corporations |
depakid |
Aug-25-09 08:15 PM |
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